Paying off home loan ?
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I want to pay off my home 10 yrs early. The more I talk to people, the more confused I become. Some say do it, and others say that a lien on your property can be useful if some type of lawsuit would happen. Owing money on a loan, or anything else, seems to me to be foolish. Those of you that have paid off your home early, are there any regrets?
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I have the money to pay it off now. We have been paying extra on the payments for the last few years.
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I would pay it off, it is a great feeling to be debt free.
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We paid ours off in 2007. Interest rates were not nearly as low then as now, and inflation was much lower. That has all switched. With today's high inflation, the value of the money you are paying to the bank is less and less every month by a considerable margin. Your payment does not change, but it's value does. As I see it, in simple terms, if your rate is 3% and inflation runs 8% over the remaining term of the loan, you are 5% ahead every year by NOT paying off early.
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Actually, there is still interest , but early on was where the most is paid. I wish I could have paid more toward the principal early on, but that wasn’t in the cards. I am thinking I’ll just pay it off. I am looking to build a 40’ x 60’ shop. I could also do that with cash if I want, or get a small partial loan!
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I don't like owing anything and I don't like being owed anything.
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The sooner you pay it off the better-you will have more money in your pocket. Anyone getting a mortgage should get what is called an accellerated mortgage-pay every 2 weeks instead of once a month.Also an allowance to double up payments from time to time with no penalty.Mortgage insurance is also good to get,in my opinion.it is cheap and your payments are covered if you have to go off work on workers comp or sick benefits. My home mortgage was a 25 year mortgage and because of it being acellerated I paid it off in 14 years.
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Actually, there is still interest , but early on was where the most is paid. I wish I could have paid more toward the principal early on, but that wasn’t in the cards. I am thinking I’ll just pay it off. I am looking to build a 40’ x 60’ shop. I could also do that with cash if I want, or get a small partial loan! Paying off the loan is fine if you have plenty of money. But if you will then have to go get even a partial loan to put up your shop it is a bad idea. The interest rate on a new loan will be higher than you are currently paying unless you have a bad deal on your mortgage. Not to mention the fees that go along with the new loan and the hassle of going through the process of getting the new loan.
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I can pay cash for a shop, which is great.
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to revisit the comments about creditors... when people are talking about not paying off your home in case of creditors they aren't talking about loans where payments are current. They are talking about getting sued, maybe a horrific car accident, something like that. If the judgment exceeds the insurance they can go after your other assets. Retirement accounts are protected from these sorts of things.
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Depending on your interest rate, I’d invest the money and keep paying off the mortgage as others have said. A retirement Roth IRA or 401k is best.
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to revisit the comments about creditors... when people are talking about not paying off your home in case of creditors they aren't talking about loans where payments are current. They are talking about getting sued, maybe a horrific car accident, something like that. If the judgment exceeds the insurance they can go after your other assets. Retirement accounts are protected from these sorts of things. Thus is why my farm is in a trust. The trust owns it I don't look up assets or property search and it won't show my name . When I die my wife become controler of the true and no probate. If she is able deadvat that point the kids become c ontrolers of the trust. May have been better approaches or options but it's what I did after thinking I would have to go bankrupt on medical bills from a car wreck. The guy didn't have enough insurance. I didn't have to go bankrupt but I learned a lesson. I don't want to be in that spot again. On paper I don't want to own anything worth anything.
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Dana I and EdP hit the nail on the head with their advice. Note that everyone else who said they paid their mortgage off early talked about the "feeling". It's an emotional decision. Which is totally fine. I'd love to pay my house off. I can't afford to spend money that emotionally right now. I need to be pouring money into retirement investments. My mortgage is around 3.5%. Inflation is 8% currently. For the time being I'll let inflation erode away the weight of that debt and invest in things that bring more than 3.5% returns. One day I hope to have enough invested to buy freedom and retire and then I'll pay that mortgage off! I just know that's an emotional decision, not sound financial decision making. And that's okay if you're in the position to do it! 100% of foreclosures happen to homeowners with a mortgage....nothing emotional about that. Pay your house off. Never, ever talked to a single person that payed their house off early that said they regretted it. Have talked with several that did not pay off early when they had the chance only to unexpectedly lose a job or sustain a serious health problem that forced them out of a job. Those are real risks and that is what the other folks never add into their equations. They like to use straight math, but never figure in risk. Pay your house off.
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Dana I and EdP hit the nail on the head with their advice. Note that everyone else who said they paid their mortgage off early talked about the "feeling". It's an emotional decision. Which is totally fine. I'd love to pay my house off. I can't afford to spend money that emotionally right now. I need to be pouring money into retirement investments. My mortgage is around 3.5%. Inflation is 8% currently. For the time being I'll let inflation erode away the weight of that debt and invest in things that bring more than 3.5% returns. One day I hope to have enough invested to buy freedom and retire and then I'll pay that mortgage off! I just know that's an emotional decision, not sound financial decision making. And that's okay if you're in the position to do it! What can you invest in that guarantee More than 3.5% ? If he pays it off NO monthly payment is guaranteed plus mortgages aren’t compounded like interest paid to you . Pull up the loan and look at the amortization table it’s sickening what a 90,000 loan at 4% ends up costing over 25-30 years
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If you invest in the stock market you likely own some mortgages. Hope everyone keeps paying once the rates go up soon.
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I am in the pay it off group. As mentioned by others, pay off other debts first with high interest rates and save paying the mortgage off last. Once you have absolutely no debt you can really get serious about your other financial goals. Once your final debt is paid don't borrow any more money, ever, for anything.
Financial security is knowing that everything you have is yours and no matter what you will have a place to live. Add me to this group. other than taxes, utility bills, yearly medical copays, haven't had a debt in over 25+ years. I struggled with buying a Kubota tractor, loader backhoe this spring. Couldn't decide, pay cash or zero % interest loan. The tractor cash was making money where it was sitting.
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If you think you own your home free and clear, try not paying your property taxes every year. I could not agree more All you do is rent the property you have paid off from the school district and any other government agency This country was established as a result of no taxation without representation .And it is supposed to be the government of the people for the people by the people .It has evolved into a government for the government of the government by the government
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I refinanced last year into a 10-year fixed rate of 1.875%. We pay about 50% more than our scheduled payment every month. Plan to move again in about two years. Sure wish I could take this loan with me. Maybe I can rent the current home to keep the low rate. It is the only debt we carry. If your not coming back just sell it before housing crash But do what’s best for you !
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I am 56 and have not had a house payment for 10 years. Pay it off if you can. You can ride out a pretty bad storm if everything is paid. But you have to maintain your credit rating. Lots of things based off your CR such as your insurance.
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I am 56 and have not had a house payment for 10 years. Pay it off if you can. You can ride out a pretty bad storm if everything is paid. But you have to maintain your credit rating. Lots of things based off your CR such as your insurance. Exactly Cbat . That's why I suggested a HELOC (home equity line of credit. It shows up on your credit report but you aren't paying anything if you don't use it . Some banks charge 20 bucks a year to keep it active depending on what you have in other accounts.
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We paid our home off shortly before the "pandemic." And I lived in a state that didn't go jackboot and force people to stay home...
But for folks still having to make payments and living in a dictatorship... It must have been a nightmare.
Point is, with the current state of affairs it might be a good idea to own your place free and clear.
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Thanks to all of you for the advice. I am going to pay it off, then save save save.
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So bbw your saying instead of putting extra towards the principal to pay off early invest it somewhere? That’s crazy ! You want to get a retuning you money how’s this in 1996 we paid 84,000 fir our house interest was 7% ( no the world didn’t end) Paid 150 per month extra until we refinance at 4% anyway paid the house off in 12 years Now our house was appraised for 315,000 How’s that for an investment Plus no longer have a 800 bucks a month house payment Instead of putting money some where you hope is going to get 4 percent return why not pay off a loan that YOU KNOW is costing you interest Any interest you pay is wasted money When the crash hits and it’s coming those people that ran out a mortgage a paid for home and stuck it in a over inflated stock market or Bitcoin are going to be sorry 2008 all over again High fuel was the trigger then Now we have high everything High fuel wasn't the trigger in 08. How's that for an investment? Not all that good unless you didn't pay any RE taxes, insurance and upkeep. Looking at it from a strictly investment standpoint, you would have been far better off in an IRA in an IRA or incoming producing framland. From a strictly investment viewpoint BBW is correct. It's math pure and simple. No one can guarantee 4 percent but here is something to think about. If you have a loan for 4 percent today and inflation is 8 percent you are making 4 percent profit on that loan as long as inflation is 8 percent. I know it's hard to grasp yet simple math. harttoflow, what to do is a personal decision. There is something to be said about owning your home free and clear and the sense of stability that comes with it. My recommendation is to take into consideration several factors and do what you think is best for your tolerance to risk. One thing that was mentioned by Dana is if you pay it off and then have to borrow to build the shop, pay for the shop in cash and keep making the home payments. As he said your old loan will be at a lower interest than the new one will be. Good luck to you.
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Thanks to all of you for the advice. I am going to pay it off, then save save save. Good decision, you wont be sorry
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Its been a while since I made this post. We payed off our home a while back, and have since decided to sell, and buy a home on more property. We have moved since paying off our home, and will have it on the market in spring. I’d list it sooner, but we need to do some updates before putting it up for sale. Now we have a small farm, lake, hunting and trapping ground, and two neighbors that are on large properties. No more bs from hoa’s for us!
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I want to pay off my home 10 yrs early. The more I talk to people, the more confused I become. Some say do it, and others say that a lien on your property can be useful if some type of lawsuit would happen. Owing money on a loan, or anything else, seems to me to be foolish. Those of you that have paid off your home early, are there any regrets?
I paid mine off in 10 years a 250k note my cpa said I would lose the deduction of interest and my quote to him is 7k interest gets me an extra 1500 bucks back on my tax refund all I see is a 5500 dollar deficit he didn't disagree , do what suits yourself I always had the philosophy it's not what you owe it's what you own that counts just my 2 cents ...Jon
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If you think you own your home free and clear, try not paying your property taxes every year. Property taxes have nothing to do with paying off a mortgage . Property taxes are just a rip off and the only parcel of ground you ever own is your cemetery plot
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We paid ours off about 10 years early My only regret is that I did not make a better attempt to pay it off even sooner .Job lay offs due to the Too Big to Fail Bank ;Crisis How about the irony of that . And health issue that impacted my ability to work If my mortgage had not been paid before those 2 problems happened I am not certain we would have been able to keep up the payments .If your everyday expenses are much more that your income it does not take long for a nice savings account which took years to save quickly disappears just by going to the gas station and grocery store . .Having my home mortgage paid was a game changer for me.
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We paid ours off about 10 years early My only regret is that I did not make a better attempt to pay it off even sooner .Job lay offs due to the Too Big to Fail Bank ;Crisis How about the irony of that . And health issue that impacted my ability to work If my mortgage had not been paid before those 2 problems happened I am not certain we would have been able to keep up the payments .If your everyday expenses are much more that your income it does not take long for a nice savings account which took years to save quickly disappears just by going to the gas station and grocery store . .Having my lo mortgage paid was a game changer for me. Yes sir a piece of mind is worth a lot of money
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Is it easier for a home without a lien to be stolen? I've been wondering this myself, I'm guessing not If you did something illegal in a new vechile with 60 payments left on it, and .gov seizes it...what happens
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You made the right decision paying it off. Mine is payed for and my first 320 acres as of last month. It’s a great feeling!
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Its been a while since I made this post. We payed off our home a while back, and have since decided to sell, and buy a home on more property. We have moved since paying off our home, and will have it on the market in spring. I’d list it sooner, but we need to do some updates before putting it up for sale. Now we have a small farm, lake, hunting and trapping ground, and two neighbors that are on large properties. No more bs from hoa’s for us! You made a great decision to pay off. All these folks trying to compare interest rates in the market to their mortgage are gamblers. They are gambling that theyll never be in an accident that prevents them from working, they are gambling their company never downsizes and lets them go, theyre gambling the market doesnt crash causing their employer to go under, the list goes on and on. 100% of forclosures happen to people with mortgages . Pay your mortgage off and THEN start investing heavy. Your income is your most powerful wealth building tool, if its not all going into payments, youd be surprised how fast it accumulates. Sounds like you found a great piece of ground...enjoy!!
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Is it easier for a home without a lien to be stolen? I've been wondering this myself, I'm guessing not If you did something illegal in a new vechile with 60 payments left on it, and .gov seizes it...what happens I’m not talking government seizure, I’m referring to fraud/forgery.
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When I got the loan for my place, it was a 15 year loan and I paid it off in seven years. I put extra to the principal ever payment including the first and last. If I got a $40 a month raise in wages I put $30 more on the house and kept $10 as a cost of living expense. It isn't hard with a little discipline.
"Not Really, Not Really" Mark J Monti "MJM you're a jerk."
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Re: Paying off home loan ?
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02/09/23 03:46 PM
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randall brannon
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We paid Cash for our Fatm back in 2005. It has been the best knowing it is ours and not the Banks!!!
God please keep they 19 fallen UBB miners out of trouble up there.
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Re: Paying off home loan ?
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02/09/23 04:51 PM
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Osky
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Paid mine off. Invested on other things ever since with the savings. Getting along just fine these days. I Also have the Heloc set up, unused. Makes the bank frustrated at times I think.
Osky
"A womans heart is the hardest rock the Almighty has put on this earth, and I can find no sign on it" Jabless in Minnesota www.SureDockusa.com
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Re: Paying off home loan ?
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02/09/23 05:39 PM
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MnMan
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Better to make interest than pay it.
I'm just happy to be here! Today I'm as young as I'll ever be and and older than I've ever been before!
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Re: Paying off home loan ?
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02/09/23 07:33 PM
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Bass1
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I'm going to pay mine off when I retire and I'm going to tell home insurance to take a hike also. Dropping you homeowner insurance is a bad idea. If your house burns down, what do you do?? When we paid off our mortgage, we went to a different insurance co to insure our house for replacement value. It only cost us about $1100.00 a year. An acceptable price to pay. IMO
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Re: Paying off home loan ?
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02/09/23 07:37 PM
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hrdtoflw
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I'm going to pay mine off when I retire and I'm going to tell home insurance to take a hike also. Dropping you homeowner insurance is a bad idea. If your house burns down, what do you do?? When we paid off our mortgage, we went to a different insurance co to insure our house for replacement value. It only cost us about $1100.00 a year. An acceptable price to pay. IMO For sure.
If your mind draws a blank, turn off the sound, because ya can't learn a thing if you're doin all the talkin
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Re: Paying off home loan ?
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02/09/23 08:00 PM
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I see a lot of people in lake Charles Louisiana where my brother lives dropped their insurance when their home was paid off. Their the ones that are living in a few rooms of the house that didn't get destroyed.
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Re: Paying off home loan ?
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02/09/23 09:20 PM
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I will always have homeowners insurance. Heck, I don’t like to pay for insurance, but I don’t want to be without it.
If your mind draws a blank, turn off the sound, because ya can't learn a thing if you're doin all the talkin
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Re: Paying off home loan ?
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02/10/23 03:32 AM
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I'm going to pay mine off when I retire and I'm going to tell home insurance to take a hike also. Do as you wish but with that way of thinking you should ditch all insurance because it is a useless commodity until you need it , myself I am probably over insured but a piece of mind is worth the premium... Jon
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