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Republicans and Democrats #7600502
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There's been a whole lot of fun banter on Tman about D's and R's and such.
But, could it be that we've reached the point in our nation, where the political "party" that any political candidate claims to be involved with actually falls beneath a bigger category which is either;

Humanism defined as;
An outlook or system of thought attaching prime importance to human rather than divine or supernatural matters. Humanist beliefs stress the potential value and goodness of human beings, emphasize common human needs, and seek solely rational ways of solving human problems. Humanism is a Renaissance cultural movement which turned away from medieval scholasticism and revived interest in ancient Greek and Roman thought.

and/or

Progressivism defined as;
A way of thinking that focuses on social progress. It is a philosophical movement and political movement. The idea of progress is the belief that human society is improving over time.

I think most of our people, from whom the political pool comes from obviously are now DEVOUT humanists and progressivists so....
D or R doesn't really matter or look much different to us, the voters, because our politicians are more progressive and humanist than they are either Democrat or Republican.
Same as the majority of this nation's population here in the 21st century.

Politicians come from the ranks and reflect those they represent.
2022 is no different than 1776.
But the people have changed. At a fundamental level of where we seek answers, and our nation is now harvesting what has been sown by those who preceded us just as we are sowing for those who will come after us. Legacies matter.
They always have.

It's easier when you realize the direction all this is headed on the train tracks.
grin

Blessings,
Mark


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Thanks Mark.

But I believe there is more of a sub-culture agenda in play. Not necessarily driven up front by politicians or voters. Whether one is a politician or a non-politician, looking to get ahead to gain more income or more responsibility, many realize once they achieve that status that continuing to play the game will keep them there or moved even further ahead.

Recent releases of information by World organizations concerning people who volunteered at the beginning of the pandemic as tests subjects, who encountered medical damage, and are still not rehabilitated to a functional, everyday status physically capable of being able to work are being excluded from the results. All subjects being followed are reported to have no more side affects. According to an NIH report last week.

I'm sure Ukraine, the border, and all of the other problems, recently firearms, have a hoped for, planned outcome based on political or control ambitions, not the betterment of human society.

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We had statesmen back then, that's for certain. We lack that today.

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I think it is much simpler than you say Mark, and yes their are enemies on both sides of the political party spectrum. The true battle is constitutional conservatives vs commies/socialists. One dose not need to believe to be a conservative. I got some good friends and even family that are pagan or atheist, but they are constitutional conservatives. I myself find the 10 commandments to be a wonderful guide to life regardless of ones beliefs.

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Originally Posted by Andrew Eastwood
I think it is much simpler than you say Mark, and yes their are enemies on both sides of the political party spectrum. The true battle is constitutional conservatives vs commies/socialists. One dose not need to believe to be a conservative. I got some good friends and even family that are pagan or atheist, but they are constitutional conservatives. I myself find the 10 commandments to be a wonderful guide to life regardless of ones beliefs.


The reason they don’t need to believe is because conservatism works, for ALL.


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Neither party is for the people anymore.

Re: Republicans and Democrats [Re: Mark June] #7600620
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The encroachment of the Communist/Socialist ideals have been introduced through legislation for too many years. And our society of thinking goes along with it.

Thanks a lot to news media, TV, movies made in Hollywood etc.. When the Communists were being sought out in the 50's in Hollywood, Sen. McCarthy wasn't wrong.

He just didn't have enough support from fellow patrons in Congress. It went agains't the grain/gain for some. A knife in the back.


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Originally Posted by Andrew Eastwood
I think it is much simpler than you say Mark, and yes their are enemies on both sides of the political party spectrum. The true battle is constitutional conservatives vs commies/socialists. One dose not need to believe to be a conservative. I got some good friends and even family that are pagan or atheist, but they are constitutional conservatives. I myself find the 10 commandments to be a wonderful guide to life regardless of ones beliefs.

I agree.


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Re: Republicans and Democrats [Re: Mark June] #7600631
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trouble with both your definitions is neither one believe in the freedom of indivuals to do what they choose.

I would define the 2 sides as freedom vs state control.

The state always wants more control, without freedom lovers in the controls of the state we get all encompassing state control (communism).

If voters can only chose 2 evils evil will win.

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Riddle me this then, If R's are the same as D's, why dont we already have socialism, canadian style gun laws. I mean , why wait for a school shooting?

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We seem to be desiring to use political partism to sort out basic human behavioral traits, and it is not working as smoothly as we would like things to do, or we are choosing to use the parties to knowingly divide persons even with very basic similarities. Much seems to be driven by fear which is manifasted very differently by individuals and or even whole cultures and being very basic human traits we don't move past them easily or quickly.

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Right now in Washington there are at least 40, hopefully more Republicans holding the line on gun control through INTENCE pressure. And you say they are all the same. Is Matt goetz the same as jery nadler? Is Jim Jordan the same as adam schif? Is Rand Paul the same as dick durban?
Come on guys, I distrust govt as much as anyone but I do know which side my bread is buttered on.

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I cast my first vote for Reagan when he won his first term. I've never voted for a Democrat for anything and never will. All I have to go by with politicians is their rhetoric until they give me a track record to vote on.

If things go south, I'll stand with anyone willing to do so. Seems like the options are narrowing.

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Is this a political post? lol.


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Originally Posted by Boco
Is this a political post? lol.

Hurt your feelings? Frost scraping is months off.

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Originally Posted by Diggerman
Riddle me this then, If R's are the same as D's, why dont we already have socialism, canadian style gun laws. I mean , why wait for a school shooting?


First I'd say there are degrees of people in the state. Like women there are downright ugly ones (a 1 for example) to beautiful women ( a 10).

So on only one issue, gun control, the vast majority of R's are a 1-3 lets say on guns while the D's are 7-10's.
There are issues where R's are closer to D's even tho they say they are opposite. Such as the size of Gov't. When was the last time the R's eliminated gov't jobs and departments or even voted to do so?

As far as why we don't have socialism is until recently socialism was a totally rejected philosophy in the west for all except a rare few. Its been preached more and more in the hot beds of the left (college) recently so the fever spreads thru society.

A good example of the spread of vastly reject thought is transgender issue. Its now accepted in a large hunk of society that anyone can at any time change from a man to a woman and that men can become pregnant if you don't agree then you are the problem. 10 years ago anyone preaching this would be considered a kook and be publicly mocked. Now most people might not think it but alot are afraid to say so. It gives the perception that the public at large believes it too. So the powers to be will go along too. This is the danger of not speaking out.

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We as a country are moving to socialism and have been for years, an example is earned income tax credit.

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Originally Posted by Dirty D
Originally Posted by Diggerman
Riddle me this then, If R's are the same as D's, why dont we already have socialism, canadian style gun laws. I mean , why wait for a school shooting?


First I'd say there are degrees of people in the state. Like women there are downright ugly ones (a 1 for example) to beautiful women ( a 10).

So on only one issue, gun control, the vast majority of R's are a 1-3 lets say on guns while the D's are 7-10's.
There are issues where R's are closer to D's even tho they say they are opposite. Such as the size of Gov't. When was the last time the R's eliminated gov't jobs and departments or even voted to do so?

As far as why we don't have socialism is until recently socialism was a totally rejected philosophy in the west for all except a rare few. Its been preached more and more in the hot beds of the left (college) recently so the fever spreads thru society.

A good example of the spread of vastly reject thought is transgender issue. Its now accepted in a large hunk of society that anyone can at any time change from a man to a woman and that men can become pregnant if you don't agree then you are the problem. 10 years ago anyone preaching this would be considered a kook and be publicly mocked. Now most people might not think it but alot are afraid to say so. It gives the perception that the public at large believes it too. So the powers to be will go along too. This is the danger of not speaking out.



That is silly, Cats are like dogs to a degree because they both have tails and fur.
You keep searchin for that perfect candidate and let me know, I might vote for him, but in the mean time I will vote for a not so perfect Republican that holds the line on gun control.

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Originally Posted by Dirty D
trouble with both your definitions is neither one believe in the freedom of indivuals to do what they choose.

I would define the 2 sides as freedom vs state control.

The state always wants more control, without freedom lovers in the controls of the state we get all encompassing state control (communism).

If voters can only chose 2 evils evil will win.


I don’t think the original post was about communism or not.

I think that a majority of freedom loving politicians (and people) today would fall into the “humanist” category Mark put above. Logical rational ways to solve human problems, most humans are good, etc.

The majority of the left are “progressive”...progress doesn’t have to make sense, it just has to happen in the mind of progressives, hence the lgbtq nonsense of today...all for the sake of progress.

The biblical view is not that most humans are good and can solve our own problems though. The Bible says that all humans are sinful and wicked, and the only solution to our problem is surrender and obedience to God. Who can take our hearts of stone and gives us new hearts.

The slide from the biblical view to the humanist view was slow and easy because it used logic, reason, and morality, even though the focus shifted from God to humanity.

The slide of our country into progressivism is not so smooth because rationality has been thrown out the window.

This is my take on Mark’s original post anyways.


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I feel a lot of what Hal Lindsay has preached for years is coming to fruition. We are in the church age currently, but it will come to an end. There will be rumors of wars and wars. There is no evidence that America will be a player in the final days. We are being fast tracked into our demise with this administration. We have been destroying our selves from within administrations prior to this one. But, this leadership has put things into passing gear.

Common sense and morality are dying. Socialism is the primary goal. America is in trouble and the future doesn't look too good.


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