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Likely to pass, and will be used more as a weaponized law ( no pun intended) for people to extract revenge on people they don't like, especially by women on their ex's.
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Re: Will red flag pass?
[Re: Marty]
#7602255 06/10/2204:20 PM06/10/2204:20 PM
I can't think of anything more more distasteful than Red Flag laws. They are a clear violation of due process. The Constitution mandates that no one shall be "deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law." Seizing the property of individuals who have not been convicted of a crime (or even charged with a crime) violates this provision.
Depriving individuals of a clearly established, constitutionally-guaranteed right in the absence of criminal charges or trial is a clear cut assault on civil liberties.
How any Democrat or Republican for that matter, can support this is beyond me.
I can't think of anything more more distasteful than Red Flag laws. They are a clear violation of due process. The Constitution mandates that no one shall be "deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law." Seizing the property of individuals who have not been convicted of a crime (or even charged with a crime) violates this provision.
Depriving individuals of a clearly established, constitutionally-guaranteed right in the absence of criminal charges or trial is a clear cut assault on civil liberties.
How any Democrat or Republican for that matter, can support this is beyond me.
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Re: Will red flag pass?
[Re: Marty]
#7602316 06/10/2206:35 PM06/10/2206:35 PM
Red Flag laws will be used and abused just like police for profit laws. Using forfiture laws Police take assets and property without due process now. What has been done about that?
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Re: Will red flag pass?
[Re: Marty]
#7602324 06/10/2206:59 PM06/10/2206:59 PM
Cops have been stealing cash without due process for many years
Now they get the cash cars and soon gun's and ammo!
I had a friend that been dead now for a decade. His live in girlfriend was not stable it turns out. One day she pointed her gun to shoot him, he got it away from her steped away and turned his back to put the gun away. He didn't know she had another gun and he turned back just in time to see her with it to her head and pull the trigger.
The cops came and took all the guns and ammo. Now this guy had tons of both. Gang boxes full of ammo and hundreds of guns. You could see the gouged floor where they drug the boxes with ammo out.
Let's just say after a long legal fight he didn't get all the guns they took or any of the ammo back. All the nice high end stuff and ammo never got loged into evidence. He got some of the cheap common stuff the cops didn't want and did log in.
I have seen it more than once. And people wonder why I don't trust cops.
Heck a friend in high-school got pulled over. He gave then the pot he had when they asked if he had any drugs. They took the drugs and drove off. He was just happy he didn't get in any trouble. I was mad he let me in a car with drugs and didn't tell me he had them in the car. I knew whet he did he knew I didn't care but didn't want to be around it. I thought he respected my decision other untill that day.
I learned a few things that day. Some Cops are really dirty and don't have out with folks that are involved with drugs.
Re: Will red flag pass?
[Re: Marty]
#7602388 06/10/2208:38 PM06/10/2208:38 PM
Just think of the possibilities that a vindictive ex-wife or girlfriend could have with a Red Flag law. My opinion is with no due process, the law gets things backwards, you're guilty until you can prove you're innocent.
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Re: Will red flag pass?
[Re: Marty]
#7602400 06/10/2209:04 PM06/10/2209:04 PM
Will red flag laws pass on a federal level soon and if they do will they be used to disarm opposition to the liberal takeover?
If people are afraid to say what they want to say about the current admin for fear of repercussions is that violating the first?
What say U?
I doubt it will pass federal. The states laws already established should be overturned for a bunch of different rights violations if it ever gets to the SCOTUS if they hear it.
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Re: Will red flag pass?
[Re: Marty]
#7602410 06/10/2209:19 PM06/10/2209:19 PM
I also don't think it will pass federally. At least not prior to the midterms. Many states don't have primaries until August and even September and a vote against guns would be a death knell for any Republican that's not running unopposed in the primaries.
Now, if the libs keep the house and steal the senate in November, red flag laws will be the least of our worries, imo.
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Re: Will red flag pass?
[Re: Marty]
#7602566 06/11/2204:45 AM06/11/2204:45 AM
Cops have been taking peoples cash for YEARS. No charges filed, no warrants. No due process. YEARS. The supremes have not stopped it. Why would they not rubber stamp red flag???
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Will red flag pass?
[Re: Marty]
#7602579 06/11/2206:10 AM06/11/2206:10 AM