No Profanity *** No Flaming *** No Advertising *** No Anti Trappers ***
No Non-Target Catches *** No Links to Anti-trapping Sites *** No Avoiding Profanity Filter


Home~Trap Talk~ADC Forum~Trap Shed~Wilderness Trapping~International Trappers~Fur Handling ~ NO POLITICS

Auction Forum~Trapper Tips~Links~Gallery~Basic Sets~Convention Calendar~Chat~ Trap Collecting Forum

Trapper's Humor~Strictly Trapping~Fur Buyers Directory~Mugshots~Fur Sale Directory~Wildcrafting~The Pen and Quill

Trapper's Tales~Words From The Past~Legends~Archives~Kids Forum~Lure Formulators Forum~ Fermenter's Forum


~~~ Dobbins' Products Catalog ~~~


Minnesota Trapline Products
Please support our sponsor for the Trappers Talk Page - Minnesota Trapline Products


Print Thread
Hop To
Page 2 of 2 1 2
Re: Will red flag pass? [Re: Marty] #7602589
06/11/22 06:37 AM
06/11/22 06:37 AM
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 24,919
williamsburg ks
D
danny clifton Offline
"Grumpy Old Man"
danny clifton  Offline
"Grumpy Old Man"
D

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 24,919
williamsburg ks
Neighbor calls the sheriff and says they are worried your going to hurt somebody and your armed. LE comes to your home and confiscates all your firearms. No court, no warrant. Only a neighbor angry you called the sheriff and made a complaint their dog was incessantly barking. Now the burden of proof is on you. Just like tax court. An IRS auditor made something up cause he SUSPECTS you lied on your tax return. No evidence is needed. You must file for a hearing so the burden of proof is now on you.

People keep saying due process but you get no due process with the IRS, no right to remain silent, no burden of proof on the accuser. Just like with cash confiscation. No charges, no evidence, the burden of proof on the accused. So its not like its something not already happening. Government just wants to extend the policy to firearms.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Will red flag pass? [Re: Marty] #7602636
06/11/22 08:27 AM
06/11/22 08:27 AM
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 7,809
Arkansas
J
J Staton Offline
trapper
J Staton  Offline
trapper
J

Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 7,809
Arkansas
If we had citizens willing to snitch on non mask wearers, imagine the power those"mask police" will have in the name of safety with red flag laws.

Last edited by J Staton; 06/11/22 08:28 AM.

James 1: 19-20
Re: Will red flag pass? [Re: Marty] #7602641
06/11/22 08:30 AM
06/11/22 08:30 AM
Joined: Sep 2012
Posts: 7,067
West Michigan
G
Getting There Offline
trapper
Getting There  Offline
trapper
G

Joined: Sep 2012
Posts: 7,067
West Michigan
I sure hope not!!


To Old
U.S. Army 60-63 SGT.
Re: Will red flag pass? [Re: J Staton] #7602645
06/11/22 08:33 AM
06/11/22 08:33 AM
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 8,840
Maine, Aroostook
Posco Offline
trapper
Posco  Offline
trapper

Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 8,840
Maine, Aroostook
Originally Posted by J Staton
If we had citizens willing to snitch on non mask wearers, imagine the power those"mask police" will have in the name of safety with red flag laws.


There's no shortage of liberal judges out there that would be all too keen to get on board.

Re: Will red flag pass? [Re: Marty] #7602657
06/11/22 09:03 AM
06/11/22 09:03 AM
Joined: Jul 2017
Posts: 1,313
PA
W
w side rd 151 Offline
trapper
w side rd 151  Offline
trapper
W

Joined: Jul 2017
Posts: 1,313
PA
Under the mental health system red flag laws already exist .They are not called red flag laws but they amount to the same thing. If a police officer ,physician or anyone authorized by the state and they determine that the person is a danger to themselves or someone else .They can be committed involuntary to a facility to be treated for a mental health problem by a judge. . In PA this is known as a 302 commitment . Any one being held and treated for mental health issues under a 302 may not own ,posses transport or transfer a gun . So if you offend someone and they call the authorities and report that you are acting strange or out of the ordinary .If the police investigate and find that you should be taken in the next step in the process is to be determined that you are a danger to yourself or someone else . You do not get due process and now you are guilty until you can prove in front of a judge that you committed no crime You do not need to be charged with ,a crime or wrong doing or any other thing involving your original behavior And once that 302 is n your record it is very difficult to have it removed .And the state police are authorized to provide that info when a back round check is done to purchase a gun .We all may think well that does not concern me .But something that seems that seems so small and no big deal can affect the rest of your life

Re: Will red flag pass? [Re: danny clifton] #7602680
06/11/22 09:42 AM
06/11/22 09:42 AM
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 3,880
Oklahoma
Blaine County Offline
trapper
Blaine County  Offline
trapper

Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 3,880
Oklahoma
Originally Posted by danny clifton
Cops have been stealing cash without due process for many years


100% correct.

And you can tell how good any particular city, town or state is by how new their vehicles and gear are and how militarized.


MOLON LABE
Re: Will red flag pass? [Re: Marty] #7602685
06/11/22 09:51 AM
06/11/22 09:51 AM
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 17,775
Sandhills Nebraska
G
Gary Benson Offline
trapper
Gary Benson  Offline
trapper
G

Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 17,775
Sandhills Nebraska
Have you ever had a medical personnel ask you "have you ever thought about harming yourself or someone else?" That's reason for the law to seize all your arms.


Life ain't supposed to be easy.
Re: Will red flag pass? [Re: Gary Benson] #7602700
06/11/22 10:15 AM
06/11/22 10:15 AM
Joined: Jul 2017
Posts: 1,313
PA
W
w side rd 151 Offline
trapper
w side rd 151  Offline
trapper
W

Joined: Jul 2017
Posts: 1,313
PA
Gary That is exactly why they ask you that question .It may seem harmless to you but your answer could land you in a situation you never would have considered. In other words the ground work for red flag rules are already in place .And on the surface it makes sense to report those that are acting strangely But it might just cost you your guns

Page 2 of 2 1 2
Previous Thread
Index
Next Thread