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Re: Cop charged with murder [Re: GoGitter] #7602552
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Listen to the video. That cop is gassed. Is it because he had to deal with this longer than he should or a combination of mental and physical

Re: Cop charged with murder [Re: GoGitter] #7602757
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There is a good video here. https://www.freep.com/story/news/lo...urder-patrick-lyoya-shooting/7559415001/

Based on what I saw, Lyoya had it coming. I'm not a cop, but it seems to me that night sticks need to make a comeback. Or shoot them, whatever. They are multiplying and getting bolder.

As for cops fighting, my 106 pound 14 year old wrestler son could have beaten the brakes off that cop. I don't know if it's the heavy gear, candidates, training or society getting weaker, but too many cops shooting black guy videos show cops shooting because they couldn't win the fight.

Re: Cop charged with murder [Re: Marty] #7602763
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Originally Posted by Marty
counting on a taser to fill the gap of actual hand to hand skills is not a good thing..cops should have to attend 1-2 bjj classes a week mandatory. This cop has no hand to hand skills. The black guy appears to be under the influence...cops like this should just wait for 2 or three more officers to back them up..sad situation.

That's what a night stick was for but Rodney King happened. Eliminated a tool that likely helped prevent escalating many resisting arrest cases to a shooting.


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Re: Cop charged with murder [Re: GoGitter] #7602803
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DRT. Must have been a 9mm. Why do people disrespect authority, especially in large cities?

Re: Cop charged with murder [Re: GoGitter] #7602826
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Because Hillary said "it is your patriotic duty to RESIST" !


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Re: Cop charged with murder [Re: GoGitter] #7602830
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Sounds reasonable, death for having the wrong plates on your car.

Re: Cop charged with murder [Re: GoGitter] #7602858
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I was wondering why the guy whose face is blurred out didnt grab a rolling pin or black iron skillet and tame that guy a bit for the officer who flat out had more than he could chew.

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Re: Cop charged with murder [Re: GoGitter] #7602914
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He was not shot for having wrong plates on the car, he was shot because he resisted arrest and was fighting for the cops taser.


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Re: Cop charged with murder [Re: Diggerman] #7602933
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Originally Posted by Diggerman
Sounds reasonable, death for having the wrong plates on your car.

Nope, death for resisting.
Quit commenting like a bleeding heart liberal, it's unamerican.. The minute the perp didnt follow orders to a T, he was dangerous and shootable.


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So no one felt the cop could have handled it better. He had the car, if the stop was that serious, what was he doing alone? Let the guy run, (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman). Call for backup if it was that serious. A man is dead, black, white, good, bad, wrong , right over a traffic stop. The cop used excessive force for the situation and now a man is dead.
And les, I am certainly NOT a liberal, Dead is for ever, and maybe the guy deserved what he got, dont know, But that cop, did NOT have the right to make that decision.

Re: Cop charged with murder [Re: GoGitter] #7603102
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Perhaps shooting folks would get them to mind better when someone barks an order. Then after a bit, folks wont get shot for that.

This guy knew he could resist and not get shot. This is what's wrong with the world. If we can change that, these perps will show a little more discepline.

Zero tolerance should be the proper posture.


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Re: Cop charged with murder [Re: trapper les] #7603105
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Originally Posted by trapper les
Originally Posted by Diggerman
Sounds reasonable, death for having the wrong plates on your car.

Nope, death for resisting.
Quit commenting like a bleeding heart liberal, it's unamerican.. The minute the perp didnt follow orders to a T, he was dangerous and shootable.


It was much, much worse than just resisting arrest. The criminal stole a weapon from the police officer he could use to disable the police officer, which would allow him to steal the police officer's firearm to use against the police officer or other people. He absolutely needed to die at that point.

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There is no law, rule or regulation that says obey my command or I can kill you. Escalating a situation is just wrong and unprofessional. Use as much force as the situation calls for. If the dead guy was a school shooter, heck yea, burn'em. But if he got the wrong plates on his car, and takes of runnin, let em go. You got his car, you got his buddy, you will soon have him, ALIVE. everybody goes home, no story.

Re: Cop charged with murder [Re: Diggerman] #7603113
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Originally Posted by Diggerman
So no one felt the cop could have handled it better. He had the car, if the stop was that serious, what was he doing alone? Let the guy run, (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman). Call for backup if it was that serious. A man is dead, black, white, good, bad, wrong , right over a traffic stop. The cop used excessive force for the situation and now a man is dead.
And les, I am certainly NOT a liberal, Dead is for ever, and maybe the guy deserved what he got, dont know, But that cop, did NOT have the right to make that decision.


I hope you don't have kids. I raised mine knowing actions have consequences. Small things like don't fight the cops sort it out in court so you don't end up dead. The cop did not make the choice for that man to drive on the wrong license plate, on a suspended license and resist because he had a warrant.

But I'm sure your one of the first to get mad when cops stood by and let cities get looted, burned and residents attacked.

I think we need more direct and hard consequences. Deal harshly with crime is a better way to change behavior. But I'm sure you would be all for the revolving door justice system untill the guy escalated to murder. Then you would cry about his long criminal history and why he was still on the street.


Say the cop let him run and he hurt or killed someone in the process. After all he has allready shown willingness to break several laws and fight with a cop. I'm sure your would be crying the cop should have stoped him.


I have no idea why anyone would want to be a cop these days.

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Re: Cop charged with murder [Re: GoGitter] #7603118
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Looks like another hoodlum that cannot, or will not follow simple, basic instructions.


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Re: Cop charged with murder [Re: Diggerman] #7603132
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Originally Posted by Diggerman
So no one felt the cop could have handled it better. He had the car, if the stop was that serious, what was he doing alone? Let the guy run, (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman). Call for backup if it was that serious. A man is dead, black, white, good, bad, wrong , right over a traffic stop. The cop used excessive force for the situation and now a man is dead.
And les, I am certainly NOT a liberal, Dead is for ever, and maybe the guy deserved what he got, dont know, But that cop, did NOT have the right to make that decision.



the only win for lyoya was to kill or disable the cop before the backup he called for got there.

not over a traffic stop , over a felony warrant for domestic assault.

could the officer have done things early in the stop to lessen the chance his taser would be fought over , yes so he made a poor deployment of the taser from too close is that a reason he should die or be injured for ever?


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I'm sorry, I read that the dead guy was running AWAY, The cop CHOSE to chase and tackle. If the suspect was that high value , Why wasnt he immediately cuffed and stuffed?
Running away= de-escalation
Running after and drawing a weapon = escalation.
I'm pro cop, But someone dies on a traffic stop for plates, ehh,

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Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
Originally Posted by Diggerman
So no one felt the cop could have handled it better. He had the car, if the stop was that serious, what was he doing alone? Let the guy run, (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman). Call for backup if it was that serious. A man is dead, black, white, good, bad, wrong , right over a traffic stop. The cop used excessive force for the situation and now a man is dead.
And les, I am certainly NOT a liberal, Dead is for ever, and maybe the guy deserved what he got, dont know, But that cop, did NOT have the right to make that decision.



the only win for lyoya was to kill or disable the cop before the backup he called for got there.

not over a traffic stop , over a felony warrant for domestic assault.

could the officer have done things early in the stop to lessen the chance his taser would be fought over , yes so he made a poor deployment of the taser from too close is that a reason he should die or be injured for ever?


Dont know where you got this felony warrant info, wasn't on the video, cop distinctly told the dead guy that it was for plates. If it was for a felony warrant, he sure didnt act like it.

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can we issue cops AR-15"s, then this cop would be innocent. Because we all know it would be the AR's fault.

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If he would have had correct plates on, a criminal would never have gotten pulled over. He is a casualty of getting caught within the web of the law.

Too bad. It's done, He's dead, and when you are in the crinimal business, it doesnt pay to make a mistake. He's off the streets...that's probably a plus. The streets are slowly getting cleaner, one dead perp at a time.


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