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Re: Bipartisan Gun Deal Announced [Re: Marty] #7603969
06/12/22 11:34 PM
06/12/22 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Marty
The ministry of truth will use red flag laws to disarm/imprison all resistance leaders..

Shoot them.

Re: Bipartisan Gun Deal Announced [Re: yotetrapper30] #7603972
06/12/22 11:44 PM
06/12/22 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
Even the democrats are calling it a red flag law. But half the people on here seem to be all for it!


Because some people are still under the delusion that the guys who claim to be on our side are actually on our side.

It's pretty apparent at least 10 of them aren't... Or those 10 are stupid enough to believe this legislation won't be twisted and abused.

Mike


One man with a gun may control 100 others who have none.

Vladimir Lenin
Re: Bipartisan Gun Deal Announced [Re: Finster] #7603974
06/12/22 11:49 PM
06/12/22 11:49 PM
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Green Bay, Wisconsin
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The article I read said the "fine print" hasn't even been written yet. These are the main ideas, and if the fine print doesn't jive, votes can and will be dropped.

Re: Bipartisan Gun Deal Announced [Re: tlguy] #7603978
06/12/22 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by tlguy
The article I read said the "fine print" hasn't even been written yet. These are the main ideas, and if the fine print doesn't jive, votes can and will be dropped.


That is my understanding as well. But few things chill my blood more than the words "bipartisan effort."

Mike


One man with a gun may control 100 others who have none.

Vladimir Lenin
Re: Bipartisan Gun Deal Announced [Re: J Staton] #7603984
06/13/22 12:22 AM
06/13/22 12:22 AM
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Northern Nevada, 31 yrs old
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Originally Posted by J Staton
Originally Posted by Bob
As it reads on this post I don’t see anything I disagree with here. Money for teacher training (maybe that could mean firearms training), money for schools to beef up security (maybe that means hiring armed guards), money to address mental health, which is always good, keeps violent domestic abusers from buying guns, which is good, checks a person’s juvenile record before selling them a gun, good.

All this checks out. The 2nd amendment still intact and addresses the problem. Let’s see what other crap they try to shove in it, but as it reads here, it’s all good stuff.

I wonder if a common mental ailment like anxiety will qualify for disarming? How about a veteran dealing with aftermath of war? Maybe someone depressed over losing someone close to them? Wonder if anyone were to seek treatment for things such as these will be red flagged? Anti 2A judges could have a hayday.


In the wording posted here nothing pointed to disarming people based on mental health. It says a lot about creating better access to counseling and treatment. Like I said, a lot can change before passing, but it looks to me as though it’s geared toward helping people treat their mental health problems so that they don’t end up going on a rampage, not disarming people with anxiety. Which is the exact right move. It’s a people problem, and a mental health problem, so treat people’s mental health problems. Makes perfect sense to me.


"I have two guns, one for each of ya."
Re: Bipartisan Gun Deal Announced [Re: Finster] #7603985
06/13/22 12:27 AM
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I wrote Chuck Grassley a email today and thanked him for trying to sale the American gun owner out. I told him what a disservice he was doing to the American gun owner , himself and the Republican Party. MD

Re: Bipartisan Gun Deal Announced [Re: martyd] #7603986
06/13/22 12:36 AM
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I got this from my congressman yesterday.

Upholding the Second Amendment

This week, I voted against two unconstitutional gun restriction bills. As a Texan, a father of three young girls who go to school, and a defender of Constitutional rights, this issue hits close to home.

The horror of school shootings is an unforgivable tragedy due to the evil we see in people. There is room for bipartisan solutions to increase school security, but Speaker Pelosi and House Democrats don’t want to make laws, they want to make politics.

My Republican colleagues and I offered an alternative bill this week that would fund school resource officers and mental health counselors, close gaps in school security, and strengthen active shooter preparations, with all costs being offset by unused state and local COVID funds. Unfortunately, House Democrats blocked it.

There is nothing more important than ensuring our children are safe. I know this because I take my children to school and pick them up. But in no way are the recent tragedies justification for the Left to infringe on the rights of law-abiding Americans.

I will not support legislation that results in those rights being stripped without due process. This is an emotional issue, but it is our job to step back and have a measured, adult conversation on real solutions.


Transatlantic Legislative Dialogue

Representing the Permian Basin—which accounts for 40 percent of U.S. oil production and 15 percent of our natural gas production—means bearing the torch for the largest secure supply of energy in the world. I recently returned from meaningful overseas visits to advocate for American-made energy and the security it brings with our allies in Europe and Japan.

One of my top priorities in Congress is setting a national energy policy that not only provides cheap, abundant, and ever-cleaner energy to American families but also ensures our allies can power their economies without relying on malign actors.

Unfortunately, the decades-long smear campaign from green special interest groups against the fossil fuel industry has led pandering politicians to craft some of the most harmful policies in U.S. history. Instead of unleashing American energy dominance, domestic producers are hamstrung with harmful regulations that discourage industry investment and raise the price of energy for working families.

President Biden says we are in an incredible “energy transition,” but the truth is we are in an energy expansion. World demand for energy is projected to increase by 47% by 2050 over 2020 demand. The United States—not Russia, Iran, or China— must position itself to fill this demand. The Permian Basin can help fuel America and the world.

U.S. Liquid Natural Gas (LNG) must be central in our discussions with our allies around the world and more must be done to increase our production and export capacity here at home. President Biden’s Administration must approve and expedite pipeline construction, roll-back harmful regulations, and unleash American energy dominance once again.


Sit on your horse on top of a ridge, look out across the country and tell me there is no God.

Re: Bipartisan Gun Deal Announced [Re: Finster] #7603990
06/13/22 12:59 AM
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Bob do you believe that mental health will not be directly tied to gun control and red flag laws? Sure you say that sounds reasonable. What could go wrong?

Re: Bipartisan Gun Deal Announced [Re: Finster] #7604004
06/13/22 05:19 AM
06/13/22 05:19 AM
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Individual liberty and free markets , national self reliance, built this country and made it strong. I wont accept anything else. I am completely fed up.

Last edited by danny clifton; 06/13/22 05:20 AM.

Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Bipartisan Gun Deal Announced [Re: Finster] #7604021
06/13/22 06:07 AM
06/13/22 06:07 AM
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John cornyn tx

Tom tillis n.c.


Roy blunt mo


Rob portman oh


Richard burr n.c.


Mitt Romney ut



Bill cassiday la


Susan collins me


Lindsey grahm s.c.


Pat toomey pa


These traitors all have an R after their name. So far I have heard no one from the party talk about booting them out either


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Bipartisan Gun Deal Announced [Re: danny clifton] #7604039
06/13/22 06:39 AM
06/13/22 06:39 AM
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Eastern Shore of Maryland
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
Individual liberty and free markets , national self reliance, built this country and made it strong. I wont accept anything else. I am completely fed up.


“You sound like you’re struggling with your mental health, perhaps we should hold your guns for you while you start thinking like a reasonable joe.”


-Goofy-
Re: Bipartisan Gun Deal Announced [Re: Finster] #7604044
06/13/22 06:44 AM
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Will the SCOTUS ruling that is expected this week on the 2a case they heard last November have an impact on the bills being kicked around?

Re: Bipartisan Gun Deal Announced [Re: hippie] #7604046
06/13/22 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by hippie
Will the SCOTUS ruling that is expected this week on the 2a case they heard last November have an impact on the bills being kicked around?


It may have an impact on the SC but the bills will just go through the word trickery and be floated in again.


-Goofy-
Re: Bipartisan Gun Deal Announced [Re: Finster] #7604070
06/13/22 07:35 AM
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Toomey will be retiring. He’s been a huge disappointment here in PA for his whole career. We certainly aren’t excited with our choices for his replacement either. Our other senator, Bob Casey, is a OBammy/Biden bobble head. He hasn’t used the bump on his shoulders yet.
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Re: Bipartisan Gun Deal Announced [Re: Finster] #7604076
06/13/22 07:47 AM
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What they should have done was pass mental health laws and excluded guns all together. This is just another inch given to the anti gunners. The Republicans that voted for this are limp wristed cowards that, more often than not, fall in line with the liberals.


I BELIEVE IN MY GOD, MY COUNTRY AND IN MYSELF.
Re: Bipartisan Gun Deal Announced [Re: Finster] #7604080
06/13/22 07:50 AM
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These 10 guys were chosen to take the heat for the rest of the traitors/rhinos/closet leftists in the republican party.

The "uni-party" members need to be purged from the "R" brand.

Last edited by Dragger; 06/13/22 07:51 AM.

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Re: Bipartisan Gun Deal Announced [Re: Mike in A-town] #7604083
06/13/22 08:01 AM
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You are right on target ! Who gets to decide what is normal .And if you do not agree with that definition are you allowed to express that opinion or are you not considered someone that is a danger to themselves of someone else And once you are declared mentally impaired it means you have the burden of proof to prove you are not impaired .Good luck with that

Re: Bipartisan Gun Deal Announced [Re: Finster] #7604090
06/13/22 08:32 AM
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Re: Bipartisan Gun Deal Announced [Re: Finster] #7604101
06/13/22 09:08 AM
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Today in Ohio Constitutional carry laws goes into effect ! That means , no background check or training or license needed for concealed carry . We had a law against concealed carry since I was a kid . Made it a pain to lock up my gun after each stop on the trap line .Concealed carry license made it so I didn't have to any more . I feel that DeWine and Portman , so called republicans , are helping set up unchecked crime which will lead to total gun confiscation. .When I was a kid there were gun safety classes taught in school . No one should be able to carry a gun without at least basic training . JMHO This law allows criminals to carry without any recourse. Also the police officer has to ask if you are carrying . Where before if you had a license , they knew you were armed . Just run the plates and your license would pop up . Made it  safer for the officer. JMHO This will cause more officer shootings and more shootings .In today's world all bets are off the table .


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Re: Bipartisan Gun Deal Announced [Re: Finster] #7604103
06/13/22 09:08 AM
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What Finster said X2


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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