Re: Is this genuine? Or an attack on church
[Re: danny clifton]
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06/13/22 06:41 AM
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J Staton
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Both. I'm sure there is sexual abuses in the church but the MSM, LGBTQ groups, atheist groups, or individuals will use it to attack the whole church. Just like what happens with cops, trappers, conservatives, etc. by opposition groups.
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Re: Is this genuine? Or an attack on church
[Re: danny clifton]
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06/13/22 06:59 AM
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Good morning danny.
A Christian church - by definition - is where people gather to exalt God, edify one another, and evangelize the name of Jesus. These are known as the "Marks" of an orthodox (right thinking) church.
It is well known to any leadership in our churches that people with ill intentions seek out places where many people of all ages gather and a church is a top priority to sexual predators. So are baseball coaching, Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, and places where kids can be recruited minus a parent's oversight.
All this is well known in 2022. I took an assessment and background check, for instance, from a company called "Ministry Safe," to be able to work in a church setting. It's not foolproof but it's one of major companies now in place to help churches know whose working with kids, teens, and adults in different ministries within the church.
We in the church should ALWAYS remember that the first to volunteer may not be the best candidate for the position for a whole host of reasons and some of these reasons are crooked hearted.
But humans have a broken nature danny, and the church is a place where broken and vulnerable people go to find healing and the crooked and perverted among us know that full well. Oh, and pastors are people too. None are righteous, no not one. That's why we're called to answer to others, even as pastors. I have a mentor and another pastor who is my overseer according to biblical instructions and all of us pastors need that. If we say we don't, it's a FLAG! But sadly, and quite some time ago now, churches began ordaining "anyone" at any age and it has made for some very unbiblical churches indeed.
Blessings, Mark
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Re: Is this genuine? Or an attack on church
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06/13/22 07:01 AM
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Both. I'm sure there is sexual abuses in the church but the MSM, LGBTQ groups, atheist groups, or individuals will use it to attack the whole church. Just like what happens with cops, trappers, conservatives, etc. by opposition groups. They will come for "bible thumpers" because evil knows full well where Truth lies. We see it all around the globe now. Blessings, Mark
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Re: Is this genuine? Or an attack on church
[Re: danny clifton]
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06/13/22 07:06 AM
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. this is well known in 2022. I took an assessment and background check, for instance, from a company called "Ministry Safe," to be able to work in a church setting. Thats good to know. Not because I question your sincerity (I do not) but leaders are taking this seriously.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Is this genuine? Or an attack on church
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06/13/22 07:15 AM
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It true on the Southern Baptist front but it's also an attack.
It does not tell the full story. You see once the membership heard of some stories they wanted a full independent investigation. When the leadership pushed to not have one the membership thought that sounded fishy and voted to fund an independent investigation and over road the leadership. Those results came out in the last few weeks. My pastor is currently in California at the convention listed in the article . Before he left we had a full church meeting to discuss how we as a church want to handle the situation. When he comes back with the info on how it will be handled we will decide if that's satisfactory or if we will leave the SBC. The leadership that was involved in the cover ups has been removed and safe gards are being put into place.
One thing I remember in the meeting was the background check group Mark refers to. There was a lot more.
We have policed ourselves funny how that's left out of the article. Also the size of the SBC 47,530 churches and 14,525,579 members. I think the report found around 400 cases over several years I forget the exact time line but a decade or two. A single case is unacceptable but like anything large amounts people are involved with any group some sick one are in those groups.
But we self policed, those involved are being heald accountable, and corrective actions and safeguards are being implemented. If our membership does not believe that's enough or gone far enough we will make our voices heard and have no problems leaving the SBC.
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Re: Is this genuine? Or an attack on church
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06/13/22 08:56 AM
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They’re busy selling a bunch of Catholic Churches here in Canada. After convictions of sexual abuse at Catholic ran orphanages over a twenty year span, 50 million was awarded to the victims. Parishioners are surprised to learn their money given to the church over all of this time seems to have went somewhere other than their buildings of faith and now those buildings must be sold. Lol
And the fifty million is pocket change to the Catholic Church itself but you won’t see them covering their debt.
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Re: Is this genuine? Or an attack on church
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06/13/22 09:06 AM
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I believe cover up is common in every brand of religion. Its the same reason judges prosecutors and cops rarely get charged. Its hurts their credibility to admit corruption exists in the organization.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Is this genuine? Or an attack on church
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06/13/22 12:38 PM
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The timing seems strategic, because most of the statistics have been known for years. I posted them here a few years ago. The left is currently attacking Christian religions in an attempt to sway voters.
Baptist ministers do rape children at a higher percentage rate than any other religion in the US and at a higher percentage rate than men in the US as a whole. Catholic priests are less likely to rape children than men in the US do on average.
There needs to be extremely severe consequences for any person who rapes children and for anyone who helps cover it up,
Keith Post the data, please. That's a pretty big brush you're swinging it needs some hard data to back it up. Otherwise it's just slander.
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Re: Is this genuine? Or an attack on church
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Churches aren't immune to the wiles of satan..Saints continually underestimate his cunning and underhanded operations when churning out temptations and snares...In fact, he puts forth his best efforts to get church folk to stumble and be shamed/silenced for the rest of their temporal lives.
Sure there are rapists, child molesters, adulterers, etc, in churches... But I'll take church folk anytime over the non- believers as a higher standard in moral conduct.
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Re: Is this genuine? Or an attack on church
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06/13/22 09:11 PM
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Humans are humans whether they claim to be or are Christians or not. Atheists seem to think that Christians should never make a mistake or screw up. Now, that's not to defend these molesters. Christian, Hindu, Atheist, Wiccan... whatever... they should be ran out on a rail if not imprisoned. But honestly I'm not anymore surprised to hear of a minister molesting someone than I would be a lawyer, or doctor, or fry cook. Because people are people and there is evil in all of them... some much much more than others but no one is exempt from the possibility of acting on evil impulses. A Christian would say that that's Satan's influence. Atheists can call it whatever they want.
~~Proud Ultra MAGA~~
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