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Re: Bipartisan Gun Deal Announced [Re: Ohio Wolverine] #7604116
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Originally Posted by Ohio Wolverine
Today in Ohio Constitutional carry laws goes into effect ! That means , no background check or training or license needed for concealed carry . We had a law against concealed carry since I was a kid . Made it a pain to lock up my gun after each stop on the trap line .Concealed carry license made it so I didn't have to any more . I feel that DeWine and Portman , so called republicans , are helping set up unchecked crime which will lead to total gun confiscation. .When I was a kid there were gun safety classes taught in school . No one should be able to carry a gun without at least basic training . JMHO This law allows criminals to carry without any recourse. Also the police officer has to ask if you are carrying . Where before if you had a license , they knew you were armed . Just run the plates and your license would pop up . Made it  safer for the officer. JMHO This will cause more officer shootings and more shootings .In today's world all bets are off the table .



I can say that's the least constitutional argument I have ever heard. You like your infringement when you are in the in crowd.

Criminals still are not legal to carry, they did whether or not law abiding citizens had a permission slip to carry and The Hassel but keep lying to yourself that less government rules are bad.

Re: Bipartisan Gun Deal Announced [Re: Finster] #7604123
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Just more symbolism over substance that will do nothing to stop criminals committing crimes with firearms. But I digress, according to the idiot lawmakers it’s not criminals causing crimes it’s guns, aka gun violence.

Re: Bipartisan Gun Deal Announced [Re: Providence Farm] #7604126
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Originally Posted by Ohio Wolverine
Today in Ohio Constitutional carry laws goes into effect ! That means , no background check or training or license needed for concealed carry . We had a law against concealed carry since I was a kid . Made it a pain to lock up my gun after each stop on the trap line .Concealed carry license made it so I didn't have to any more . I feel that DeWine and Portman , so called republicans , are helping set up unchecked crime which will lead to total gun confiscation. .When I was a kid there were gun safety classes taught in school . No one should be able to carry a gun without at least basic training . JMHO This law allows criminals to carry without any recourse. Also the police officer has to ask if you are carrying . Where before if you had a license , they knew you were armed . Just run the plates and your license would pop up . Made it  safer for the officer. JMHO This will cause more officer shootings and more shootings .In today's world all bets are off the table .



I can say that's the least constitutional argument I have ever heard. You like your infringement when you are in the in crowd.

Criminals still are not legal to carry, they did whether or not law abiding citizens had a permission slip to carry and The Hassel but keep lying to yourself that less government rules are bad.


I'm saying it's not good for the reason many will carry without any training period .
Like to have at least, they need to have basic training .
People today are not like people when I grew up .
I know many people that should never carry .
NO BACKGROUND CHECK ?
You're right a criminal will carry any way .
I just can't help to not trust anyone in government giving us anything without something attached !
DeWine and Portman are both rinos !
I also find it strange that they pass this law at this time , when mass shootings are so common .
It just smells like a set up .


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Re: Bipartisan Gun Deal Announced [Re: Finster] #7604131
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Could be so much worse. We can still purchase about anything we want.

Re: Bipartisan Gun Deal Announced [Re: Finster] #7604135
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Dont get your panties in a wad Ohio Wolverine. No license in KS for awhile. Crime has gone down. Its a good thing to recognize rights instead of trying to deny them.


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Re: Bipartisan Gun Deal Announced [Re: Finster] #7604136
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if you n ed to set a corner post in granite you have to hire a licensed contractor now to blast it for you. I helped my grandad do that when I was about 10. Bought the dynamite and caps at the hardware store. Didnt even show ID. So no I cant buy anything I might want


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Bipartisan Gun Deal Announced [Re: Finster] #7604138
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Re: Bipartisan Gun Deal Announced [Re: danny clifton] #7604145
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
if you n ed to set a corner post in granite you have to hire a licensed contractor now to blast it for you. I helped my grandad do that when I was about 10. Bought the dynamite and caps at the hardware store. Didnt even show ID. So no I cant buy anything I might want

There's the difference , right there.
People taught the younger ones what to do and how to do it .
You're right we can't buy things like we used to.
Many things have changed , and it all started when government began telling us how to raise our children !
Making laws that still don't make sense today .
Every time you turn around a new law that makes no sense .
And you expect me to trust anyone in government ?


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Re: Bipartisan Gun Deal Announced [Re: Finster] #7604147
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In April 86 you could buy a new browning m2, ge min gun, m16 or any machine gun you wanted at a fair price.

Fare price= m16 close to the same price as an AR 15. Today AR 15 $1000 m16 $20,000


Ohio have you seen the videos of some of the quality qualified trainers having Accidental discharge during their class? Training is always good but should never be required.

Indiana is going to no permit required this year as well. Has no benefit for me since I have a lifetime permit and even if I had to renew every 4 years or so I would just for reciprocal ability to carry in states I travel through.

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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
In April 86 you could buy a new browning m2, ge min gun, m16 or any machine gun you wanted at a fair price.

Fare price= m16 close to the same price as an AR 15. Today AR 15 $1000 m16 $20,000


Ohio have you seen the videos of some of the quality qualified trainers having Accidental discharge during their class? Training is always good but should never be required.

Indiana is going to no permit required this year as well. Has no benefit for me since I have a lifetime permit and even if I had to renew every 4 years or so I would just for reciprocal ability to carry in states I travel through.


Ohio have you seen the videos of some of the quality qualified trainers having Accidental discharge during their class? Training is always good but should never be required.
LOL Just like the government , find something that rarely happens and make it an everyday occurence .
Twist it to fit your agenda. I like not having to renew a license every 4 -5 years , just feel that everyone should be taught gun safety !

So you think it's just fine to hand a loaded gun to someone that has never handled a gun before ?
Weather loaded or not , without at least basic training they are bound to do what you say quality qualified trainers did .


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Re: Bipartisan Gun Deal Announced [Re: Providence Farm] #7604165
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
In April 86 you could buy a new browning m2, ge min gun, m16 or any machine gun you wanted at a fair price.

Fare price= m16 close to the same price as an AR 15. Today AR 15 $1000 m16 $20,000


Ohio have you seen the videos of some of the quality qualified trainers having Accidental discharge during their class? Training is always good but should never be required.

Indiana is going to no permit required this year as well. Has no benefit for me since I have a lifetime permit and even if I had to renew every 4 years or so I would just for reciprocal ability to carry in states I travel through.



Indiana is going to no permit required this year as well. Has no benefit for me since I have a lifetime permit and even if I had to renew every 4 years or so I would just for reciprocal ability to carry in states I travel through.
I agree 100% on that .


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Re: Bipartisan Gun Deal Announced [Re: Finster] #7604168
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Ohio now that's not what I said. I said training is good but should not be mandatory. Mandatory means someone I don't know decided what and where I have to do to be considered trained.

I don't know them or trust their judgment. All my kids had rimfire, shotguns, center fire rifles, and handguns of their own all before they were 10. All had shot 2 deer by the time they were 7. They did not go to any formal training that was required first. Old dad taught them starting about 4. And they all Handel guns better than 90% of the gun guys at any range. I don't need or want any additional government involvement in my life.

I also don't shoot at public ranges due to not being bullet proof.

Freedom and people that tend to think they know what others should do or be required to do are not compatible. Freedom is to scary for some.

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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Ohio now that's not what I said. I said training is good but should not be mandatory. Mandatory means someone I don't know decided what and where I have to do to be considered trained.

I don't know them or trust their judgment. All my kids had rimfire, shotguns, center fire rifles, and handguns of their own all before they were 10. All had shot 2 deer by the time they were 7. They did not go to any formal training that was required first. Old dad taught them starting about 4. And they all Handel guns better than 90% of the gun guys at any range. I don't need or want any additional government involvement in my life.

I also don't shoot at public ranges due to not being bullet proof.

Freedom and people that tend to think they know what others should do or be required to do are not compatible. Freedom is to scary for some.


I totally agree with what you just posted .
Just saying that what % of people teach their children to handle guns safely in todays world ?
Even some training is better than none .
As far as mandatory , some things really need to be mandatory . Especially in today's world .


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Re: Bipartisan Gun Deal Announced [Re: Finster] #7604174
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Originally Posted by Finster
What they should have done was pass mental health laws and excluded guns all together.


Yes we need to address the somehow. That said the Uvalde coward did not appear insane. Insane is out of touch with reality. He knew what he was doing "I just shot my grandma, now I'm going to shoot up the school". That is not insane that is evil.


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Some #'s:

As Pew reports:

A panel of mental health and law enforcement experts has estimated that roughly one-third of acts of mass violence — defined as crimes in which four or more people were killed — since the 1990s were committed by people with a serious mental illness.

A Stanford study reviewed, “35 mass shooting cases that occurred in the United States between 1982 and 2019 and involved shooters who survived and were brought to trial.” They discovered, “28 had mental illness diagnoses. Eighteen had schizophrenia and 10 had other diagnoses including bi-polar disorder, delusional disorder, personality disorders, and substance-related disorders.” 80 percent of mass shooters in this study had a mental illness, undertreated, or not treated at all.

It's not only mass shooters, but other random violent crime.

As the New York Post recently reported, a man diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia who does not take his medication regularly was arrested after brutally beating a cell phone store employee in Phoenix. Decades ago, he would have been hospitalized or institutionalized if he was a danger to himself or others. Today he is free to terrorize people.

What actions are government officials taking? For the homeless, “sweeps” or “cleanups” are the solution, shuffling the homeless out of downtown into the suburbs, as Denver officials are doing, ignoring the root problems, preferring a Band-aid covering a festering sore.

Addressing shootings, Congress’s first reaction is to ban so-called “assault rifles,” shrink magazine capacity, as well as raise the age limit for the legal purchase of firearms. They miss the irony that an 18-year-old can legally use far deadlier weapons than any civilian, as long as they are wearing a U.S. military uniform, but out of uniform, they are deemed incapable of owning a basic pistol.

At least the U.S. Senate is crafting a bill which will focus on improving mental health and substance abuse services, but who knows what any final legislation will look like? Congress had no problem sending $40 billion to Ukraine so they could purchase “weapons of war” for Ukrainians to defend themselves and their property that the same Congress wants to ban here in the U.S.

Until this becomes a national priority, creating a functional mental health care system that can identify, treat, and if necessary, hospitalize those who are mentally ill and dangerous or incapable of self-care, expect to see homelessness and mass shootings continue. It should not be that complicated, unless these are problems elected officials prefer to use as campaign issues rather than actually solve them.

Brian C. Joondeph, M.D., is a physician and writer. Follow me on Twitter @retinaldoctor. And on Truth Social @BrianJoondeph


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Then there is the whole dope thing...Isn't there already a question on the form about habitual or illegal drug use? :

June 13, 2022
When Democrats Want Gun Control, It's Not to Protect You
By Larry Kaifesh
The Founding Fathers, the most brilliant group of people to ever assemble, were adamant, clear, and direct when they established the Second Amendment: "a well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

The Founding Fathers were unwavering in protecting this God-given right, based on their genius, their experience, and the fact that they had just gained their independence through war — using arms! They used arms to defeat a tyrannical and oppressive government that was looking to infringe more on the colonists' liberties, to include their own right to bear arms. Only through the use of their arms were the colonists able to stop the cruelty and further oppression of the ruthless ruling class.

America's creation and independence could have never happened if the colonists had been disarmed. Is it any wonder why the most evil despots throughout history, such as Stalin, Pol Pot, Hitler, and Mao, took guns away from their citizens, and then, collectively, with a monopoly on violence, went on to kill tens of millions of defenseless citizens? Is it any wonder why the most evil totalitarian globalists today — Biden, Trudeau, etc. — are desperate to take guns away from the people?

Biden recently gave a despicable, disingenuous, and desperate speech designed to blame guns for the horrific school shooting in Uvalde, Texas. He said, "Children are dying because the gun lobby is profiting." It's as disgusting as it is untrue. It's deliberately deceitful. The corrupt globalist corporate media outlets, such as The New York Times, in collusion with this administration, said the same thing within hours of the shooting.

Why did the Biden administration react so rapidly to redirect the American people about the facts surrounding this shooting? How can it be blamed on an inanimate object like a gun when it is clear that this individual had severe behavioral problems, most likely amplified by his dysfunctional family life and extensive drug use?

We know that both parents and the grandmother of the Uvalde shooter had criminal records. The shooter was a high school dropout, a loner, and a violent videogame–player. His father was not present in his life. Almost certainly, he had no religion. His nickname was "school shooter." Four years ago, he was arrested for threatening to shoot up a school. He cut up his face with knives for fun. He held up bags of dead cats with a grin on his face that was captured on video. "He liked hurting animals," according to a relative of his grandmother. One classmate said he had a tendency to be "violent towards women" and was described by an ex-girlfriend as "scary." He was a pot-smoker, just as his mother and father were. His grandfather actually served time in prison for drug-trafficking. His mother was about to be evicted due to her drug use.

The shooter had major issues, and it is clear he was immersed in a very unhealthy environment saturated with dysfunction and drugs.

Laura Ingraham did an amazing job in addressing the vitally important drug issue with the following report:

Now several studies have explored the connection between regular pot use and an increased risk for serious mental illness and even violent psychotic episodes, in some cases. In March 2019, the prestigious journal, The Lancet, conducted a case control study from eleven sites across Europe and Brazil. It found that with daily cannabis use, there were increased odds of a psychotic disorder, compared to those who never use it. And when it comes to high potency weed, the psychotic disorder went up five-fold.


Today Ron Kessler tackled the subject, as well, writing, 'Virtually everyone ignores the obvious reason for the dramatic increase in these tragedies: Democrats push legalizing marijuana, which has become three to four times more potent than it was only a few years ago... newer products can have levels of THC as high as 85% to 90%. ... The marijuana level in a typical joint 20 years ago was closer to 5%.

And a paper published in 2020 by one of my next guests analyzed past cases of violence in marijuana use, looking specifically at the deadly attacks. So in researching the Parkland and Southerland Springs mass shootings, the Times Square Attack in 2017, and the Boston Marathon Bombing, his study found recurring consequences of marijuana-induced paranoia and marijuana-induced psychosis. It also found that more potent marijuana resulted in a greater risk for psychosis.

The director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse, Dr. Nora Volkow, in January 2022, raised concerns that teens are increasingly vaping high-potency cannabis. Dr. Volkow said she is worried that "huge concentrations" of THC could have serious consequences. "We are seeing a very significant rise in psychosis associated with the consumption of marijuana," she said. "And the higher the content of THC, the higher the likelihood of a psychotic episode." There is still ongoing research to determine if such psychotic episodes can lead to permanent schizophrenia.

It is no surprise to any rational person that legalizing drugs is a bad idea and that the consequences of doing so would be catastrophic. We deserve to know the truth about this multi-billion-dollar and growing industry, how it's affecting our young people, our working-age population, and even our military readiness. Where are Biden and the politicians in regards to this issue? Their deafening silence is indicative: they care not for the children.

Let's be clear: America does not have a gun problem. America has a societal problem, where today's society, predominantly through liberal political policies, are causing irreparable harm to our young people. There is nothing good to come from legalizing dangerous drugs. Additionally, there is nothing good coming from defunding the police, being soft on crime, electing George Soros–funded district attorneys, promoting the breakdown of the nuclear family, eradication of religion, hyper-sexualizing young people, pushing Critical Race Theory, and the notion that young people can chose their own sex.

There is no doubt that these issues are immeasurably damaging to our young people and the disease we must cure. Hardening our schools is beneficial, but it only addresses the symptom of the disease. As for gun-grabbing after a school shooting, that is an evil and dishonest attempt by Biden and the other globalists to rob we the people of another right and to further their goal of a one-world dystopian communist government.

May we never forget:

"Arms are the only true badge of liberty. The possession of arms is the distinction of a free man from a slave."



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How would mental health issues be addressed regarding guns if it isn't via this so called red flag law?

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RED FLAG LAWS


If Your Time is short

"Red flag” laws allow law enforcement or family members to petition courts to temporarily remove firearms from individuals if they pose a danger to themselves or others.

Courts can issue emergency orders that remove the person’s weapons for up to three weeks. Final orders, which include the opportunity for the person to defend themselves at a hearing, often last up to a year.

Nineteen states and Washington, D.C. have red flag laws. Previous efforts to pass a nationwide red flag law have stalled in Congress. But recent mass shootings have prompted bipartisan negotiations in the Senate that could include some type of legislation to expand red flag laws.

Democratic and Republican senators may find rare consensus on gun legislation by supporting the expansion of "red flag" laws. These laws allow courts to temporarily take away a gun from someone who shows signs of a threat.

In Texas, more than 250 conservatives who identify as gun enthusiasts wrote a letter to Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, in support of restrictions, including red flag laws.

"We believe in the Second Amendment. Like many, we are struggling for good answers to our current problem of gun violence in America," they wrote in a letter published as a full page ad in the Dallas Morning News.

Cornyn is one of the senators negotiating with Democrats to provide federal grants to encourage states to pass red flag laws. Here’s how they work.
What are red flag gun laws?

These laws are meant to remove weapons from dangerous people before a crime or tragedy occurs — hence the phrase "red flag."

The process allows people to petition a civil court to temporarily remove that person’s firearms. Red flag laws are sometimes called extreme risk protection orders (shorthanded as ERPOs); gun violence restraining orders; or state crisis intervention orders.

The mass shooter at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, for example, was the subject of two tips to the FBI about his plans as well as multiple 911 calls about his behavior for years before the shooting.

Each state’s law sets rules for who can start the petition process. Some states only allow law enforcement to request the orders. Other states allow family members or close contacts, such as coworkers or teachers, to file a petition. Most petitions are filed by law enforcement, and they are usually granted by the courts.

The petitions generally ask for some sort of documentation. For example, petitioners in Maryland are asked to write on a form what behaviors lead them to believe the person poses an immediate danger by possessing a firearm. It also asks the petitioner to list the number, type and location of the individual’s guns and the individual’s past acts or threats of violence, substance abuse and criminal history.

Once the court receives a petition, judges must follow their state law that explains what criteria a judge must or could consider.

In California, judges must consider whether the person has made threats, acted violently within the past six months or had a pattern of threats or violence over the past year. They must consider whether the person has violated a domestic violence emergency protective order or was convicted of a crime that would keep from legally keeping a firearm. A judge can consider evidence of alcohol or substance abuse.

If the threat of harm is imminent, courts can issue an emergency order without a hearing ordering the removal of a person’s guns. But those orders only last from a few days to three weeks. Before issuing a final order, a court holds a hearing where the person can testify on their own behalf or bring a lawyer.

In most states, final orders can last up to a year, though they can be extended. Once the order is issued, the individual must surrender their firearms. For example, Colorado’s law says that individuals can either sell their firearms to a federally licensed dealer or arrange for storage by a law enforcement agency. If the individual owns an antique firearm, it can be transferred to an eligible relative who doesn’t live with them.

In Broward County, Florida, Chief Judge Jack Tuter said around half of the individuals agree to the order because they don’t own a gun, and many others agree to turn over their firearm.

"In a very small or insignificant portion of the cases the person actually fights the risk protection order and comes to court, and sometimes they win and sometimes lose," Tuter said.

Critics of red flag laws say they lack due process, but that’s not accurate. These are civil proceedings where individuals can testify and face no risk of incarceration, Palm Beach State Attorney Dave Aronberg said. Prosecutors are only involved if someone violates an order, which is rare, Aronberg said.

It is possible for someone who is undergoing the red flag law to separately face a criminal charge. But in many situations there is no parallel criminal case.

Courts in Connecticut, Indiana, and Florida ruled that the laws do not violate the process rights of respondents or are constitutional.
Which states have red flag gun laws?

Connecticut was the first state to pass a red flag law in 1999. It followed a mass shooting by an accountant who worked for the state lottery. In the month leading up to the attack, the shooter showed clear signs that he was troubled.

Many other states have passed similar laws, including seven passed by Republican governors. States with red flag laws today include California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont, Virginia, and Washington as well as the District of Columbia.

Florida passed its red flag law in 2018 after the Parkland school shooting. Since then, Florida courts have issued about 8,000 final orders, according to data compiled by the Office of the State Court Administrator.

This can open a whole new can of worms.


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Drifer You wrote a mouthful and you are drop dead right This can open a whole new can of worms Once they take your guns from your home you will be fighting an uphill battle getting them back And you do not have to be accused of or have committed or charged of a crime or misdemeanor .It can just be that you have said something that may mean you are a danger to yourselves or others .In other words once they are gone you will have a hard time getting them back .And if that information can bwe used against you when doing a background you will be denied ever buying another gun

Re: Bipartisan Gun Deal Announced [Re: w side rd 151] #7604228
06/13/22 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by w side rd 151
Drifer You wrote a mouthful and you are drop dead right This can open a whole new can of worms Once they take your guns from your home you will be fighting an uphill battle getting them back And you do not have to be accused of or have committed or charged of a crime or misdemeanor .It can just be that you have said something that may mean you are a danger to yourselves or others .In other words once they are gone you will have a hard time getting them back .And if that information can bwe used against you when doing a background you will be denied ever buying another gun


“But right now things aren’t that bad so I don’t see why we can’t give in a little so we can keep the guns we have.”


-Goofy-
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