Re: Bipartisan Gun Deal Announced
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Drifer You wrote a mouthful and you are drop dead right This can open a whole new can of worms Once they take your guns from your home you will be fighting an uphill battle getting them back And you do not have to be accused of or have committed or charged of a crime or misdemeanor .It can just be that you have said something that may mean you are a danger to yourselves or others .In other words once they are gone you will have a hard time getting them back .And if that information can bwe used against you when doing a background you will be denied ever buying another gun My question still stands unanswered, how to address mental cases and guns? Look back on the threads on here about these shootings when they happen, and you'll find alot of posts saying mental health needs addressed.
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Re: Bipartisan Gun Deal Announced
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06/13/22 02:43 PM
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Drifer You wrote a mouthful and you are drop dead right This can open a whole new can of worms Once they take your guns from your home you will be fighting an uphill battle getting them back And you do not have to be accused of or have committed or charged of a crime or misdemeanor .It can just be that you have said something that may mean you are a danger to yourselves or others .In other words once they are gone you will have a hard time getting them back .And if that information can bwe used against you when doing a background you will be denied ever buying another gun My question still stands unanswered, how to address mental cases and guns? Look back on the threads on here about these shootings when they happen, and you'll find alot of posts saying mental health needs addressed. AND what is going to happen in x number of years when the political analysts look at the outcomes of increased "funding" for mental health/telehealth resources but they can't correlate a decrease in shootings. I'd say the strategists behind the scenes on all sides are looking at this as an opportunity to play on the popular current slogan concerning lack of mental health resources knowing full well its just a kick the can down the road moment for the time being in order to be in a better spot to achieve their desired goals in the future. Plus they know the demographics will continue to slide in their favor on all accounts. This is only one play in the current book they are operating out of. Sounds nice and easy to say we are going to put some money into mental health resources and tell yourself that will make things fine. Not going to be quite that easy to change the culture of our current society that has opted to slowly condone over a number of decades the base behaviors that have gotten us to the current day.
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Re: Bipartisan Gun Deal Announced
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06/13/22 03:16 PM
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We all know guns can be obtained illegally.... How much good does it do to take someone's guns but not lock them up if they are believed to be mentally unstable? That person can still go buy a stolen gun out of the trunk of a car and commit mass murder.
Simply taking guns from someone determined to hurt themselves or others is worthless if they can obtain another gun as soon as the cops leave their home.
This is all feel-good nonsense and buzzwords if there is no clear path to confining someone who is genuinely mentally ill. And a LEO is not a psychoanalyst. You need a professional or a panel of them to judge whether or not confinement is necessary.
Mike
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Re: Bipartisan Gun Deal Announced
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AND what is going to happen in x number of years when the political analysts look at the outcomes of increased "funding" for mental health/telehealth resources but they can't correlate a decrease in shootings. I'd say the strategists behind the scenes on all sides are looking at this as an opportunity to play on the popular current slogan concerning lack of mental health resources knowing full well its just a kick the can down the road moment for the time being in order to be in a better spot to achieve their desired goals in the future. Plus they know the demographics will continue to slide in their favor on all accounts. This is only one play in the current book they are operating out of. Sounds nice and easy to say we are going to put some money into mental health resources and tell yourself that will make things fine. Not going to be quite that easy to change the culture of our current society that has opted to slowly condone over a number of decades the base behaviors that have gotten us to the current day.
[/quote] From what I've read and seen , everyone of the last few mass shooters , were under FBI surveillance .Yet weren't even questioned .There was reason to check them out , because they even threatened what they wanted to do . Another thing that bothers me and should you .Where did they get the money to buy these guns and other paraphernalia to commit these mass shootings ?FBI HAD THEM ON WATCH , BUYING BULLET PROOF GEAR ISN'T A REASON TO CHECK THEM OUT ?Say what you want , think what you want .JMHO There's more to this than we know . Or want to believe.
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Re: Bipartisan Gun Deal Announced
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06/13/22 04:10 PM
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Another reason I'm not keen on Constitutional Carry in Ohio.At least as it's posted .DeWine is sitting on a bill for passing the Red Flag Law .He was in favor of it ! But it's held up in the house .So why did he pass Constitutional Carry ?I don't trust him or any politician !Give a little , take a lot ! The bait has been added to the trap .
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Re: Bipartisan Gun Deal Announced
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06/13/22 04:16 PM
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One other thing to consider...
If the red flag law passes and police go to someone's home and confiscate their guns... How will they know they got all of them? Crazy boy may have a bunch buried in the backyard that no one knew about. So he digs them up and goes on a spree anyway.
Of course the answer will be... We need a registry to make sure the popo get all of the guns from crazy boy.
Mike
One man with a gun may control 100 others who have none.
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Re: Bipartisan Gun Deal Announced
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06/13/22 05:22 PM
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A felon shot and killed one of our Deputies last night.
His crime before this was armed robbery of a McDonalds which he got probation for in baltimore. We have background checks, red flag laws and a host of hoops to jump through to get a handgun. I wonder how he got his.
Our Sheriff apparently blasted our governor at a press conference.
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Re: Bipartisan Gun Deal Announced
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06/13/22 06:14 PM
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Armed robbery and no prison? Hard to imagine there is a judge anywhere in this countries who doesn’t think 10 Years would be a start.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Bipartisan Gun Deal Announced
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Armed robbery and no prison? Hard to imagine there is a judge anywhere in this countries who doesn’t think 10 Years would be a start. Exactly why the Sheriff blasted the governor and baltimore judges. Trying to find a link to the presser but they have all been taken down or edited. lol
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Re: Bipartisan Gun Deal Announced
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I don't like any anti-gun legislation, executive orders or agency actions. I have yet to see one that is constitutional. But if this bipartisan window dressing is all we get, we should consider it a decent day from a political standpoint. It's going to get worse and this is a set up for future legislation, but the can got kicked down the road.
I have one more AR10 on the wish list and a few more parts to buy. At that point me, my sons and my future grandsons will be well armed. I suggest everyone else do the same.
Or just complaint about it and be unarmed eventually. No hurry to buy them. A single shot will do. Just get the m16 out of the trunk of the cruiser when your done and now you have one fully decked out complete with happy switch. Since the feds have been handing out full autos for over a decade there is at least one in the trunk of most cruisers. In all seriousness most people's time and money would be better spent on getting into shape, buying and leaving how to use survival equipment like food preservation and procurement, waste storage and purification, transport, and communications equipment. But most people get caught up on their guns and 1k of ammo forgetting about the rest of the things it takes to survive like medical training and supplies or even shelter.
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Re: Bipartisan Gun Deal Announced
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I don't like any anti-gun legislation, executive orders or agency actions. I have yet to see one that is constitutional. But if this bipartisan window dressing is all we get, we should consider it a decent day from a political standpoint. It's going to get worse and this is a set up for future legislation, but the can got kicked down the road.
I have one more AR10 on the wish list and a few more parts to buy. At that point me, my sons and my future grandsons will be well armed. I suggest everyone else do the same.
Or just complaint about it and be unarmed eventually. No hurry to buy them. A single shot will do. Just get the m16 out of the trunk of the cruiser when your done and now you have one fully decked out complete with happy switch. Since the feds have been handing out full autos for over a decade there is at least one in the trunk of most cruisers. In all seriousness most people's time and money would be better spent on getting into shape, buying and leaving how to use survival equipment like food preservation and procurement, waste storage and purification, transport, and communications equipment. But most people get caught up on their guns and 1k of ammo forgetting about the rest of the things it takes to survive like medical training and supplies or even shelter. I don't disagree with the preparedness comment. We are and happen to shoot a lot too. I have two boys that go through a lot of ammo on our range.....
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Re: Bipartisan Gun Deal Announced
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06/13/22 08:46 PM
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I don't like any anti-gun legislation, executive orders or agency actions. I have yet to see one that is constitutional. But if this bipartisan window dressing is all we get, we should consider it a decent day from a political standpoint. It's going to get worse and this is a set up for future legislation, but the can got kicked down the road.
I have one more AR10 on the wish list and a few more parts to buy. At that point me, my sons and my future grandsons will be well armed. I suggest everyone else do the same.
Or just complaintcomplain about it and be unarmed eventually. No hurry to buy them. A single shot will do. Just get the m16 out of the trunk of the cruiser when your done and now you have one fully decked out complete with happy switch. Since the feds have been handing out full autos for over a decade there is at least one in the trunk of most cruisers. In all seriousness most people's time and money would be better spent on getting into shape, buying and leaving how to use survival equipment like food preservation and procurement, waste storage and purification, transport, and communications equipment. But most people get caught up on their guns and 1k of ammo forgetting about the rest of the things it takes to survive like medical training and supplies or even shelter. Good plan PF. I, myself, plan on picking up guns and ammo off of bodies, at least the ones not damaged by the blast.
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Re: Bipartisan Gun Deal Announced
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Y'all are gonna get yourselves thrown in prison before the war ever starts posting crap like this.
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