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Re: Global warming?? [Re: Paul Dobbins] #7606233
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The sun's output is not static. Never has been. The climate is changing but the whole CO2 argument is a fraud.


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Re: Global warming?? [Re: Boco] #7606242
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Originally Posted by Boco
Global warming is a fact for sure.All the elders including me that lived their life on the land know it.
The role of mans activities influencing it is debateable but the fact that winters are no longer the same is definitely not debateable.



Wow. Here's a rare nugget of common sense.
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Re: Global warming?? [Re: waggler] #7606244
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Originally Posted by waggler

Boco, the "elders" during the 1300s experienced global cooling that lasted until the 1800's.
Any observation made during such a short time span of an individual's life means nothing in the big scheme of things.



Now see, that makes sense. But you started out claiming that your own experience with snow at your gold mine is evidence that global warming is NOT happening. Maybe you were just joking, I don't know.

Anyways... that is a great picture of the creek running underneath the snow cave.
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Re: Global warming?? [Re: waggler] #7606252
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^^^^^^;
Ya got me there.


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Re: Global warming?? [Re: waggler] #7606253
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In the ancient past many millions of years ago we have also experienced periods of global warming. Fossil evidence proves this.

The difference of what is happening now is the speed in which the globe is warming up. The best answer to explain how it is happening at lightening speed (geologically speaking) is the massive amount of greenhouse gases (Co2, methane, etc) being released by human activities. In academia there has been really no debate about this for quite some time. The only naysayers that have any scientific credentials seem to be getting paid by big fossil fuel.

Like Paul said, follow the money.


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Re: Global warming?? [Re: waggler] #7606268
06/16/22 11:55 AM
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Ever notice this:
When its hot and sunny, go into the woods, where the ground is naturally mulched and its shady and relatively cool. Then go into a tall grassy field where the sun heats you from above but the ground is much cooler. Then go out in the middle of a fresh cut, parched hay field, hot from above AND below. These are all somewhat natural surfaces. Now, got to a large blacktop parking lot, or up on a roof. whew it's MUCH hotter and that heat is reflected up and really heats the atmosphere. Now consider ALL of the roads, pavement, parking lots, roof tops and everything else that absorbs heat, transmitting it to the atmosphere. On a given day, the parks are much cooler than downtown. You can fry eggs on many of the man made surfaces, very few in nature. Also, lay you hand on most any car hood in the hot sun, even in the cooler months. Now consider all of the flat metal surfaces on the planet. Imagine the square acreage and the heat THAT generates. Add it all up ..... think about it.
I think it is FAR more than C02, that's just an easy excuse to generate a lot of cash.
The ocean levels are rising a bit, but more likely from all of the beach goers urinating in them. (oh yeah, and a bit of "warming" going on there too) crazy

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Re: Global warming?? [Re: waggler] #7606281
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There is no debate in academia because of censorship. If you completely remove any dissenting opinion, of course there is no debate. That is not science. That is an agenda.

Re: Global warming?? [Re: waggler] #7606291
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I believe in climate change. Just watching my local weather every evening proves it. We are always breaking 50-60+ year old records for cold during the Winter or heat during the Summer. I’m 100% confident the climate has always changed since the beginnings of time. I’m also 100% confident man has had little to do with it nor do I believe we can do anything to change it. Seems to me if there was an “ice age” there would have to be a “heat age” at some point in time. I do know the older I get the less of a summertime person I am!

Re: Global warming?? [Re: BandB] #7606299
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Originally Posted by BandB
There is no debate in academia because of censorship. If you completely remove any dissenting opinion, of course there is no debate. That is not science. That is an agenda.


Spot on, BandB. When "scientists", politicians or climate activists claim the science is settled, and there is no further debate, it is no longer credible science. Sound science thrives on critical debate.

Re: Global warming?? [Re: waggler] #7606302
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"No debate"...Lol, classic!


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Re: Global warming?? [Re: waggler] #7606304
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I believe it is warming. Used to be cold at Thanksgiving, but not so in recent years. I'm convinced the CO2 levels have gone up in our livetimes.

A major volcano could really tip the scales, without any human intervention.

Re: Global warming?? [Re: waggler] #7606310
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Ask someone who lives in a hurricane impact area. Many more hurricanes than 50 years ago.

Re: Global warming?? [Re: waggler] #7606312
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It was kind of impressive watching the Nova show when he said imagine all the carbon from a gallon of gas is turned into turds. Then imagine all those turds in a pile. Then imagine all the turds from all the carbon based fuels (heating power generation etc) in that same pile. ME Now pile it all up since the gasoline engine was invented.
YES there is natural occuring climate change but to deny we are contributing it is just poor thinking.
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Re: Global warming?? [Re: waggler] #7606313
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All that carbon from carbon based fuels was already present in the environment. It just changed locations.

Re: Global warming?? [Re: charles] #7606316
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They are baffling you with bs. CO2 can't absorb much electro magnetic energy due to it's shape and bond angle. Heat is energy being transfered in a thermal dynamic system. All the wavelengths it can absorb happens miles up in the atmosphere. Most CO2 is static in our atmosphere. Adding more doesn't magically make it absorb energy and cause more heat. Only adding more energy does.

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Re: Global warming?? [Re: waggler] #7606318
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Yep, and volcanic eruptions, plus seabed gasses escaping to the surface are all it takes to completely obliterate any greenhouse gas control measures.


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Re: Global warming?? [Re: BandB] #7606321
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Originally Posted by BandB
All that carbon from carbon based fuels was already present in the environment. It just changed locations.

Yes .but it was Not a gas C02
It was buried.
something else occured to me.
Each molocule of carbon in Co2 is accompanied with 2 molecules of oxygen.
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Re: Global warming?? [Re: ky_coyote_hunter] #7606322
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Greenhouse gas..is laughable. It's like covering a frame with chickewire and calling it a "greenhouse". lol


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Re: Global warming?? [Re: charles] #7606323
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Originally Posted by charles


A major volcano could really tip the scales, without any human intervention.


Maybe in the "good" direction ? Pinatubo, 1991

NASA says major volcanic eruptions actually cool the atmosphere and subsequently reduce the acceleration of rising sea levels.

[img]https://sealevel.nasa.gov/news/56/volcano-masks-quickening-pace-of-sea-level-rise[/img]

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Re: Global warming?? [Re: AKAjust] #7606325
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Originally Posted by AKAjust
Originally Posted by BandB
All that carbon from carbon based fuels was already present in the environment. It just changed locations.

Yes .but it was Not a gas C02
It was buried.
something else occured to me.
Each molocule of carbon in Co2 is accompanied with 2 molecules of oxygen.
.
just



CO2 has two narrow bands of obsorbtion in the IR spectrum. 94.5% of the sun's energy goes right on by causing no heat. Watering your lawn causes more heat than driving your car.


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