Re: Proposed lead and trapping bans on refuges
[Re: Whirlybird]
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06/16/22 06:46 AM
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Gary Benson
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Unfortunately, young college graduates going into wildlife management are liberals and commonsense conservation isn't on their minds. It's more like preservation.
Life ain't supposed to be easy.
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Re: Proposed lead and trapping bans on refuges
[Re: tomahawker]
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06/16/22 07:04 AM
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I fear they won’t. This is a slow death to hunting and trapping. Folks are further and further removed from a real life. Rural folks are a small minority, and I mean real rural folks. Not those who reside in the country, but those who make their living in it and from it. Hate to say it but most anti’s are women and Democrats. Particularly suburban and urban dwellers. They don’t approve of our way of life and want us to be like them. Sadly many of us agree with their incremental stripping of our freedoms. Won’t be long till we’re outnumbered even more. Idk that we’re allowing it so much as we are simply outnumbered and have let things fall through the cracks. It starts with lead bans, public ground trapping bans, ridiculous farming practices etc. Think your great grandchildren will have more or less opportunities to hunt and trap? Will they even want to? The Disneyfication and brainwashing are decades ahead of us. When I worked remolding grocery stores the stores would put out two watermelon boxes out around Christmas for customer donations. One for pet shelters and one for disadvantaged children. The pet shelter box would be full to the brim, while the other would have just a couple items in it. If this is a sign of where people are at, your prediction is probably right.
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Re: Proposed lead and trapping bans on refuges
[Re: Whirlybird]
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06/16/22 07:26 AM
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Clark
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I am genuinely curious how banning lead shot/bullets is such an affront to conservation?
Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen. -Albert Einstein
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Re: Proposed lead and trapping bans on refuges
[Re: Clark]
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06/16/22 07:32 AM
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I am genuinely curious how banning lead shot/bullets is such an affront to conservation? Maybe not an "affront to conservation", but completely unnecessary.
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Re: Proposed lead and trapping bans on refuges
[Re: trap master]
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06/16/22 07:44 AM
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More dumb regulations. My state game and fish started making very questionable decisions several years ago, I have always supported the conservation department but when they instituted non toxic shot for dove hunting a few years ago, which is one of my favorite hunts, I said no more...I refuse. So I decided to not shoot non tox for anything, waterfowl, doves, nothing. I've always followed the game laws and never poached out of season or taken more than my limit, but I've had enough of beauracrat red tape BS. Think what you want and judge, I don't care. Nontoxic for Dove??? On a dry field?? It’s not like you’re shooting them in water and I haven’t seen a massive die off down here of anything with lead poisoning, except what was shot, lol. I’m afraid I’d copy what you did and give it up. I’ll be honest I didn’t even know they made nontoxic dove loads. What’s a guy to do if he’s stocked up with cases of lead dove load? I hope Georgia doesn’t get that woke or stupid.
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Re: Proposed lead and trapping bans on refuges
[Re: Whirlybird]
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06/16/22 07:53 AM
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I saw a thing the other day that projected all states would require non toxic shot in the next 10 or 15 years. I can't imagine how inefficient slinging steel shot at doves will be, but it will be better than sitting on the couch for me
Gotta live up to the nickname...
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Re: Proposed lead and trapping bans on refuges
[Re: trapdog1]
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06/16/22 08:34 AM
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Maybe not an "affront to conservation", but completely unnecessary.
Banning is easy, fixing something or finding a better solution takes work therefore bans will are an easy to do solution, even if they do little or no good.
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Re: Proposed lead and trapping bans on refuges
[Re: Whirlybird]
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06/16/22 09:06 AM
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Gary Benson
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Lead is a big concern, but plastic bags and bottles laying around everywhere aren't a problem. Full retard.
Life ain't supposed to be easy.
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Re: Proposed lead and trapping bans on refuges
[Re: coondagger2]
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06/16/22 09:56 AM
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I saw a thing the other day that projected all states would require non toxic shot in the next 10 or 15 years. I can't imagine how inefficient slinging steel shot at doves will be, but it will be better than sitting on the couch for me I am trying to figure out why you think it would be inefficient. I never saw a problem with steel shot other then the price.
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Re: Proposed lead and trapping bans on refuges
[Re: MJM]
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06/16/22 12:07 PM
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I saw a thing the other day that projected all states would require non toxic shot in the next 10 or 15 years. I can't imagine how inefficient slinging steel shot at doves will be, but it will be better than sitting on the couch for me I am trying to figure out why you think it would be inefficient. I never saw a problem with steel shot other then the price. How about rifle bullets?
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Re: Proposed lead and trapping bans on refuges
[Re: Whirlybird]
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06/16/22 12:36 PM
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Steel shot is less efficient in carrying striking energy down range, because of its lighter density/weight.
Steel patterns well with the right choke however, and can kill almost as well with within its limits.
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Re: Proposed lead and trapping bans on refuges
[Re: MJM]
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06/16/22 01:04 PM
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I saw a thing the other day that projected all states would require non toxic shot in the next 10 or 15 years. I can't imagine how inefficient slinging steel shot at doves will be, but it will be better than sitting on the couch for me I am trying to figure out why you think it would be inefficient. I never saw a problem with steel shot other then the price. Steel shot is less dense than lead shot therefore carries less energy and is less effective at killing I currently shoot lead 7.5 shot at doves. The equivalent steel shot size would be #5.5 or lets just round up and say steel #6. I now have less pellets downrange and less pattern density also due to the larger pellet I'm also going to have to make it go a heck of a lot faster to match the energy of lead, so the overall felt recoil will be increased substantially Steel pretty much just sucks all around Until you put a little TSS under it.....
Gotta live up to the nickname...
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Re: Proposed lead and trapping bans on refuges
[Re: Gary Benson]
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06/16/22 01:21 PM
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As a land manager who hires seasonal bio-techs every year (recent college grads, essentially), I'd conservatively guess at least 95% of the applicants now are self-described progressive liberals and/or socialists who have never hunted, fished or held any kind of firearm. And have no desire to do so.
The road of life is paved with flat squirrels who couldn't make a decision. Author unknown
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Re: Proposed lead and trapping bans on refuges
[Re: Whirlybird]
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06/16/22 01:26 PM
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As a land manager who hires seasonal bio-techs every year (recent college grads, essentially), I'd conservatively guess at least 95% of the applicants now are self-described progressive liberals and/or socialists who have never hunted, fished or held any kind of firearm. And have no desire to do so. Colleges need a severe overhaul the same as D.C. does.
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Re: Proposed lead and trapping bans on refuges
[Re: Whirlybird]
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06/16/22 01:39 PM
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Gary Benson
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At the Valentine National Wildlife Refuge, 25 miles south of Valentine NE in the Sandhills, they hired a new refuge manager. His name is Juancarlos Giese. I've never seen him outside of his office. He told me where there was some black locust I could cut for firewood. I went to look at it and it was willow. They want to get rid of all the black locust on the refuge and replace it with boxelder..........the most worthless tree there is other than den trees for squirrels. Because it's a native tree they want more of them.
Life ain't supposed to be easy.
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