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Re: No use for FMJ [Re: Wolfdog91] #7608346
06/19/22 01:18 PM
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FMJ ammo has it's place in the shooting/hunting world. I look at it from the BIG PICTURE standpoint also. Weather you care for FMJ or not always agree to keep it. Those that wish to get rid of it are chipping away at all our ammo and rights

Re: No use for FMJ [Re: Wolfdog91] #7608351
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I shot it for target and plinking before I sold my guns. I had enough guns I could use some for practice and others for hunting.

Re: No use for FMJ [Re: Wolfdog91] #7608377
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I reload and shoot 3500-4000 fmj a year in my different handguns. I have a decent course set up with 30 different steel targets and gongs. I love the sound of hard ball ringing away. If you don't like it, don't use it.

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Re: No use for FMJ [Re: Wolfdog91] #7608381
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Originally Posted by Wolfdog91
Am I the only one who never really buys or reloads FMJ ? Don't really have a purpose for it since all my shooting just kinda fall back to trying to put a round in a critter. Dont like having to change my zeros ( nothing like missing a coyote because your zeroed for FMJ but slapped in a VMAX , ask me how I know lol) all the time so I just load stuff I can actually hunt with. I mean don't get me wrong you can hunt with FMJ.....but head shots are frowned upon laugh

In my opinion V Max are frowned upon. Splash


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Re: No use for FMJ [Re: Wolfdog91] #7608416
06/19/22 03:59 PM
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the way I look at it I have no use for sports cars and golf.

and while both are a waste of time and money for me feel free to waste your time and money how you like so long as you pay your bills and feed your kids.


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Re: No use for FMJ [Re: Providence Farm] #7608417
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Looks like it hit bone and tumbled and probably framed. In guessing the spine? Bone becomes projectiles and cam make come really big holes. That's not always the case and can't expect results like that although they do happen. I had a hole in a coyote I could stick a grapefruit in and still have an inch or two around the sides. But it was with my 260 and 120 gr a max normal exits were half dollar. This was huge because I shot it running at 250 yards and hit it in the hips blowing the bullet to pieces and the bones out the other ride as 2ndary projectiles. I didn't know it was possible to get a hole like that out of that gun ammo combo and had shot around 35 with it at that point. Had it been my first and only one I would have thought that 260 was like a 50bmg.


In my experience a bullet almost always hits bone. Almost always, especially in a coyote sized critter given the extensive penetration due to relatively small body size. I've dropped quite a few coyotes with fmj of various calibers. I suspect those who say they don't work, or don't work well enough, are often stating someone else's theory. I'm talking thin skinned pretty scrawny animal; ie coyote. I would not want to try plugging moose or elk w fmj bullets although I do load up w fmj 357 'bear spray'. There is likely better 357 bullets but we have some big bears and I hope to break some bone if it ever comes to that![Linked Image]

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Re: No use for FMJ [Re: drasselt] #7608424
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Originally Posted by drasselt
Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Looks like it hit bone and tumbled and probably framed. In guessing the spine? Bone becomes projectiles and cam make come really big holes. That's not always the case and can't expect results like that although they do happen. I had a hole in a coyote I could stick a grapefruit in and still have an inch or two around the sides. But it was with my 260 and 120 gr a max normal exits were half dollar. This was huge because I shot it running at 250 yards and hit it in the hips blowing the bullet to pieces and the bones out the other ride as 2ndary projectiles. I didn't know it was possible to get a hole like that out of that gun ammo combo and had shot around 35 with it at that point. Had it been my first and only one I would have thought that 260 was like a 50bmg.


In my experience a bullet almost always hits bone. Almost always, especially in a coyote sized critter given the extensive penetration due to relatively small body size. I've dropped quite a few coyotes with fmj of various calibers. I suspect those who say they don't work, or don't work well enough, are often stating someone else's theory. I'm talking thin skinned pretty scrawny animal; ie coyote. I would not want to try plugging moose or elk w fmj bullets although I do load up w fmj 357 'bear spray'. There is likely better 357 bullets but we have some big bears and I hope to break some bone if it ever comes to that!


Sure it hits bones I ment heavy bone like the spine at an angle like the picture appears to show or like through the pelvis like the one I mentioned. I should have made that clear my mistake. A rib or to is not as big of an effect. Your right though I don't have much experience with fmj. Sure they can kill things but there are better bullets for that and I get enough spinning and flipping with explosive varmint bullets that do a lot of damage to avoid using anything less.
Infact I don't use a 223 anymore because I have results I like so much better with a 243 7mm08 and 260. Yes I can drop them with one shot from a .22lr at 65 yards but I don't like to limit myself. Others have different experiences , expectations, and priorities. Some want to shoot cheap, small holes in skins, and don't mind if they have to follow a blood trail if thing don't go perfect. I understand that. I prefer bang flop every time and I don't care if it's got a basket ball size hole in my $2 coyote. I load my ammo so it comparatively cheap and I only want to shoot one load out of each gun. So a 100 gr sp for deer will be what I shot a coyote with out of a 243 for example. Checks all my boxes.

Now a .223 with 45gr hp is a great gray squirrel round and when shot in the chest behind the shoulder no meat loss. They are so thin they don't open up but hit so hard the impact blows the guts out. Zero crawl offs I bet fmj would be about the same. Good for squirrel and you can limit out from 80 yards . Guess I can find a use for fmj.



I love 158gr Hornaday xtp in 357 out of a carbine and out of a pistol will get the job done. But I think I would carry my ruger 45lc with heavy 300gr hard cast Keith style bullets for back up bear protection. Back up for my 12g with rifled slugs. I used guns people said were to small all the time when I was younger at ranges people won't believe. Now I prefer bit bigger guns. Not stupid big I don't like heavy recoil but big enough.

I live in Indiana so no experience with bears or anything bigger than a whitetail. But I'm pretty sure I would want a big hole and very deep penetration. Figure I want to be sure it's dead don't want anyone putting them self in danger trying to kill a bear because it killed me. I would rather have the dead bear next to my body.

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Re: No use for FMJ [Re: Wolfdog91] #7608431
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Sounds good PF and I wasn't referring to you specifically with my 'theory' statement. I rarely have a true broadside shot at anything seems they are almost always 1/4ing to one degree or another even so coyotes don't hold up well after being shot broadside through the ribs, fmj or otherwise, in my experience. The only coyote I ever remember blood trailing was hit too far back and the damage was such it wasn't going very far very fast although there were a few tense moments after rushed follow ups missed. That was w a 223 fmj.
Sorry to hear about your $2 coyotes I only kill them for prime skins and we do have a nice market outside the regular fur market so yes I don't want to blow them to pieces.


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Re: No use for FMJ [Re: Providence Farm] #7608451
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm



I love 158gr Hornaday xtp in 357 out of a carbine and out of a pistol will get the job done. But I think I would carry my ruger 45lc with heavy 300gr hard cast Keith style bullets for back up bear protection. Back up for my 12g with rifled slugs. I used guns people said were to small all the time when I was younger at ranges people won't believe. Now I prefer bit bigger guns. Not stupid big I don't like heavy recoil but big enough.

I live in Indiana so no experience with bears or anything bigger than a whitetail. But I'm pretty sure I would want a big hole and very deep penetration. Figure I want to be sure it's dead don't want anyone putting them self in danger trying to kill a bear because it killed me. I would rather have the dead bear next to my body.


Good points. I used to have a 44 red hawk hogleg. Might as well have had a shotgun packing that thing around. Also have carried a shotgun, on purpose and by chance, on close encounters with brown bears. I've never had to fire on one to kill in self defence although very close, too close 3 times...the only gun that MIGHT help out in a bad situation is one that you have on you when you need it. So I've dumbed down to the small light easy to carry 357 if it ever goes to hand to hand with one of those guys....for casual everyday carry. If I'm expecting trouble, or hunting, well obviously I'm going large!

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