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a battlion a day, a brigade a week... #7608393
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Ukrainian president Zelinksy stated, 10 days or so ago, that the UAF was taking 500 or more casualties a day in the Ukraine war. His Minister of Defense about a week ago said their loss rate maybe closer to a 1,000 a day. If the lower number is taken as more concrete, that's about the equivalent of a battalion taken out of action a day, a brigade a week. The UAF cannot sustain those losses and hold together, especially in the eastern front. There are already "interesting" videos out there of forced off-the-street "recruitment" of Ukie men by the government. The goofs in charge, both there and the West, can say we'll just give them more heavy arms, especially artillery and rockets, and the UAF will continue to bleed the Rus white. Its a talking point built on a fantasy. The current Ukrainian government will lose at least 4 of their "oblasts" (provinces) in the east and south, although some of Luhansk and Donetsk Oblasts they haven't controlled since late 2014. I'm not even counting Crimea that was joined in Ukraine SSR in 1954. The best that the "continue the war" crowd can do is a "perpetual" war where the front going somewhere in a line south and east of Kiev and east of the Dnieper. The U.S. and NATO will pump arms and training into western Ukraine and train a new UAF to keep the fight going. Or NATO will decide to fully engage their forces instead of the current sort of the shadow play without any of their boots on the ground and war planes in the skies of Ukie land. Former NATO commander Wesley Clark thinks the alliance should go all in now. Of course, none of his or probably his family's blood will get spilled.

Anyway, retired Col. Douglas Macgregor had a interesting recent write up on the situation:

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/when-the-lies-come-home/

I'll leave you with another Ukraine map. It is by "native" language. The 4 most southeast oblasts were added to Ukraine by Lenin in 1922. Its an ethnically mixed region but of course that is hardly ever mentioned in American "official" (government/media/corporate/NGO) discourse.

[Linked Image]


"And God said, Let us make man in our image �and let them have dominion �and all the creatures that move along the ground".
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Re: a battlion a day, a brigade a week... [Re: NonPCfed] #7608397
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Buden and eye patch McCain are going to keep this going, they don't care about the cost.

Re: a battlion a day, a brigade a week... [Re: NonPCfed] #7608407
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Such a shame that our leaders, military leaders and media lied to us so much about this situation. Just shows how bad things are in the USA.

Gonna be really bad if nato gets directly involved.


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Re: a battlion a day, a brigade a week... [Re: NonPCfed] #7608432
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What difference does the language you speak make?As if that stupid map means anything.
You speak English but fought against England.-
You still speak English and still hate English.
Maybe youd welcome the English if they wanted to take over America?because you speak their language?-preposterous.

No different over there.Many Ukraineans who speak the Russian dialect hate Russians for what they did to them and love their sovereignty..

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Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Russian speakers want Russian rule.

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Re: a battlion a day, a brigade a week... [Re: NonPCfed] #7608457
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Seems someone was telling awhile back how inferior the Russian military was and they'd b whipped easily.

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What difference does the language you speak make?As if that stupid map means anything.
You speak English but fought against England.-
You still speak English and still hate English.
Maybe youd welcome the English if they wanted to take over America?because you speak their language?-preposterous


Boco- You are as predictable as the sun rising in the east. Carry on...


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Interesting read from 2017. Might give some of you an idea of how many of the people from the Donetsk and other regions feel about their nationality.

https://www.npr.org/2017/06/24/534207470/many-in-eastern-ukraine-want-to-join-russia?t=1655673748793


Dog will hunt!
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If you don't know where or what Kaliningrad is, perhaps go look it up.

It appears that the Lithuanians have had late puberty and have grown a serious pair. I wonder how much the brain trust in Vilnius is getting paid to start stopping Russian trains transecting going to or coming from Kaliningrad? Hopefully, the Russians aren't dumb enough to give Sniffy and the minions an Article 5 excuse in Lithuania or Poland. But who knows, dumber things have happened. It would be the height of irony (Satan smiling widely) if WWIII starts within a 100 miles or so from where WWII started. Funny how that might happen...


"And God said, Let us make man in our image �and let them have dominion �and all the creatures that move along the ground".
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Re: a battlion a day, a brigade a week... [Re: NonPCfed] #7608855
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nato has isolated Kaliningrad oblast via ground?


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Of course the russian speaking eastern ukrainians want russian rule, they're russians, planted there after russia starved out the ukrainians by the millions last century.. You think theres no bad feelings still?

History doesn't just go back 50 years....

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What does UAF stand for, nonPCfed?


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Originally Posted by Marty
Russian speakers want Russian rule.

smile


What about those, like so many in the former Warsaw Pact countries, that have had a taste of democracy and have no wish to return to hammer and sickle dictatorship. Freedom has no affinity to any particular language especially after people have tasted it. With few exceptions former Warsaw Pact countries, once they had the chance, went as far to the West politically as they could and, by default, as far from Russia dictators as they could.

UAF = Ukrainian Armed Forces

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Originally Posted by crosspatch
Originally Posted by Marty
Russian speakers want Russian rule.

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What about those, like so many in the former Warsaw Pact countries, that have had a taste of democracy and have no wish to return to hammer and sickle dictatorship. Freedom has no affinity to any particular language especially after people have tasted it. With few exceptions former Warsaw Pact countries, once they had the chance, went as far to the West politically as they could and, by default, as far from Russia dictators as they could.

UAF = Ukrainian Armed Forces

Thank you, crosspatch.


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ethenic russians in eastern uke were persecuted by nazi's so they had no taste of democracy.


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I'm in the group that doesn't buy into the propaganda that Putin did this to liberate the people who want to be part of Russia. He killed more of them with his indiscriminate bombing of their cities than he saved for one.

And, if I wanted to be Mexican or Canadian like they supposedly want to be Russian, why don't they just move 50-100 miles east and be a Russian?

Putin is money hungry just like any other dictator. His worth is said to be around a hundred Billion that he pilfered from his people, but yet those supporting him complain about our politicians becoming a millionaire over this.

We shouldn't be in this war, its just our politicians wanting the exact same thing Putin wants, as I said before...money. So don't try to sugar coat why Russia invaded.

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I'm in the group that doesn't buy into the propaganda that Putin did this to liberate the people who want to be part of Russia. He killed more of them with his indiscriminate bombing of their cities than he saved for one.


Give us real data on civilian deaths since Feb 24 in the Donbas and who killed whom. Go to Donestsk city or Mariupol and walk around and ask people who was or is doing the civilian killing, they'll give you their opinions. They're not shy.


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Buying into Russian propaganda is no different than buying into our propaganda. Maybe worse.

Just don't expect everyone too.

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