Re: Farmers selling off whole herds of Cattle
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We have had several (roughly 7 dairy farms within 10 miles of me sell out this last year. Five were bought by one large and growing dairy farm near us. The coop they sell to has quotas on taking on more milk so the 5 dairy farms were selling to the same coop and thus the milk would not sell for less. These dairy farms ranged in size from 120 cows to over 600 cows. The closest one to us sold to a neighbor who milks about 1600 and he had 250. The larger farm can add 6 million pounds of milk without building an addition on a barn or a parlor and found a home for his 300 dry cows. Economies of scale have moved much quicker in the dairy industry (centralization) than I anticipated with the huge amount of land needed, huge supplies of wet forages and huge amounts of manure, but semis have made 15 mile travel like 2 miles so expansion is much easier.
In the beef and hog industry it is the contracting of selling that is the huge issue. Huge processors buy contracts for what they need or want and thus those too small for contracts or not wanting to contract sell outside the main stream processing market. The government is not buying cows at 2300 each to lower supply. The government did not sell processing to foreign owners, capitalist did that all on their own. The government does have a big impact on commodity production and food supply but not creating shortages, and not able to slow the trend either to concentrated production and processing. Part of the COVID bill was to invest in smaller processing outlets but that will take time, a lot of time and won't impact the whole processing system much. As to the illegal labor, it is in all of commodity production, not just milking cows and the vast majority of agriculture businesses are not owned by liberals or democrats from my experience. The whole decrease in the number of farms has been going on since the end of WW11. In fact the fastest exits were in the 50s and 60s. WI had over 84,000 dairy farms in the early 50s and today we have roughly 8,000. With UE as low as it is now many, many good paying options for small to medium sized farmers who struggle to find decent HC insurance and other benefits. Many places in the rural America have UE rates well under 2%.
Bryce
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Re: Farmers selling off whole herds of Cattle
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06/20/22 02:02 PM
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Where can I buy some? I would love to get a side of beef and a pig. I'm with you, I might even buy a couple gilts.
"Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not."
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Re: Farmers selling off whole herds of Cattle
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06/20/22 02:08 PM
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Small dairy was killed by mega dairies with cheap illegal labor. Spot on, just my little county has seen an influx of 1200 to 1500 illegals that work the dairies in just the past 2 years. Not a one can drive safely, yet are allowed to go anywhere they want. It’s easy to see when they get stopped, they’re in the paper a few weeks later with no license or insurance, but never get deported.
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Re: Farmers selling off whole herds of Cattle
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06/20/22 02:28 PM
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government is buying them for 2300 bucks a head to bring on the nationwide food shortage same reason 97 food processing plants/farms have burnt since Biden has been in office. I will take “things that aren’t true” for 1000 Alex This has been debunked by every food processor in the nation. The fake stuff on the site is laughable
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Re: Farmers selling off whole herds of Cattle
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06/20/22 02:57 PM
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Right now grass feed beef a producer is going for a average 6$ lb all butchered in a box???? In this country. Cattle prices for Aug. Futures are looking up but still not more about break even prices then.
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Re: Farmers selling off whole herds of Cattle
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06/20/22 03:50 PM
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The prices the beef and pork farmers are getting at auction here are terrible. They are losing money on every head. The mostly foreign owned meat packers and grocery stores are making all the money on the farmer's labor and investment. Last week at Degraff, boar hogs were down to 1 cent a pound and sows and market hogs were very low too. Choice fat Angus steers have been paying barely over a dollar a pound for weeks. https://www.facebook.com/JacksonLivestockAuction/Keith That stinks, and the price at the store keeps going up
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Re: Farmers selling off whole herds of Cattle
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Small dairy was killed by mega dairies with cheap illegal labor. And subsidies. Got to be big to qualify for the subsidized welfare. The little guy can't stand.a chance. Direct marketing raw milk for 8 to 10$ a gallon but a lot of states made that illegal. Direct marketing is the only way to go. I just finished butchering chickens and I'm selling them for $4.50 per pound.
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Re: Farmers selling off whole herds of Cattle
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Small dairy was killed by mega dairies with cheap illegal labor. Bingo
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Re: Farmers selling off whole herds of Cattle
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maybe our socialist government want to control the flow of food? It is much easier to 'influence' a few large companies than thousands of owner/operators.
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Re: Farmers selling off whole herds of Cattle
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We have had several (roughly 7 dairy farms within 10 miles of me sell out this last year. Five were bought by one large and growing dairy farm near us. The coop they sell to has quotas on taking on more milk so the 5 dairy farms were selling to the same coop and thus the milk would not sell for less. These dairy farms ranged in size from 120 cows to over 600 cows. The closest one to us sold to a neighbor who milks about 1600 and he had 250. The larger farm can add 6 million pounds of milk without building an addition on a barn or a parlor and found a home for his 300 dry cows. Economies of scale have moved much quicker in the dairy industry (centralization) than I anticipated with the huge amount of land needed, huge supplies of wet forages and huge amounts of manure, but semis have made 15 mile travel like 2 miles so expansion is much easier.
In the beef and hog industry it is the contracting of selling that is the huge issue. Huge processors buy contracts for what they need or want and thus those too small for contracts or not wanting to contract sell outside the main stream processing market. The government is not buying cows at 2300 each to lower supply. The government did not sell processing to foreign owners, capitalist did that all on their own. The government does have a big impact on commodity production and food supply but not creating shortages, and not able to slow the trend either to concentrated production and processing. Part of the COVID bill was to invest in smaller processing outlets but that will take time, a lot of time and won't impact the whole processing system much. As to the illegal labor, it is in all of commodity production, not just milking cows and the vast majority of agriculture businesses are not owned by liberals or democrats from my experience. The whole decrease in the number of farms has been going on since the end of WW11. In fact the fastest exits were in the 50s and 60s. WI had over 84,000 dairy farms in the early 50s and today we have roughly 8,000. With UE as low as it is now many, many good paying options for small to medium sized farmers who struggle to find decent HC insurance and other benefits. Many places in the rural America have UE rates well under 2%.
Bryce What the politicians owned by big foreign processors did was adopt many thousands of pages of regulations, whose nearly sole purpose is to decrease competition by making it prohibitively expensive for any new processors to start. For instance, what possible food safety reason is there for a government meat inspector to have a private entrance, to their private office with their private bathroom, if a facility wants to be alloiwef to package meat for resale. Keith
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Re: Farmers selling off whole herds of Cattle
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06/20/22 08:41 PM
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The grass here is butt high now you can’t see the whole cows in the tall grass.
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
Jerry Herbst
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