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Re: If you ever had the chance to kill a porcupine.... [Re: Jurassic Park] #7609748
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Originally Posted by Jurassic Park
I caught one in a fox snare one winter. That’s when I learned they have small quills hiding under their fur around their neck.

They make a nice backing for a pair of mitts.(if you need to give someone a backhander)


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Re: If you ever had the chance to kill a porcupine.... [Re: Lugnut] #7609756
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Originally Posted by Lugnut
I'm glad your dogs are okay and the vet bill didn't break the bank. Looks like they might be rottweilers? My daughter has a pair of rotties, knowing her dogs it wouldn't surprise me if they go after another porky.

My last four labs got nailed. Each one only once though. They avoided them after that.

500-700 quills? They must have gone back for more after the initial swat! My worst had 111 in his face and mouth. That was from a single swat. We were grouse hunting and I saw it happen.

As Yellowstone mentioned and I'm sure your vet told you, monitor for migrating quills although I don't think there's much you can do about that.

I got a twelve-week-old lab at home right now. I'm sure she'll get "christened" during the many upcoming upland hunts in north central PA. I'm glad we don't have them here in southeast PA.




Yep. Pair of male Rotts................ 7 and 4 years old.

There wasn't an "initial swat" and then another swat. It was a full blown psycho dog attack. I thought they had a bear. The porcupine was tore up BAD. They wouldn't come off of it. I've never seen ANY dog attack as vicious as what I saw last night.

I can't afford for them to go back for too many more tastes.


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Re: If you ever had the chance to kill a porcupine.... [Re: Strut10] #7609769
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Yeah, according to my daughter and what I’ve read, Rottweilers have a pretty high prey drive. I don’t understand why since they were initially herders.

Her older dog, a female, can’t come here anymore. Its first visit it killed one of our chickens that just so happen to escape the pen at the worst possible time. She is too set in her killer ways to change.

Her younger rotty, also a female, has been introduced to our outside cats and our chickens and is pretty good around them. She wears an e-collar while she’s here and we keep a pretty sharp eye on her when she’s outside.

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Re: If you ever had the chance to kill a porcupine.... [Re: Strut10] #7609812
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I'd much prefer the porcupines to dogs that act like that. I guess a mitigating factor is they were in your yard so you might be able to write off that kind of "psycho" behavior to territoriality I suppose. Regardless I wouldn't own dogs that can't control themselves. I'd be concerned they might lose it and kill some innocent person. Just my opinion of course.


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Re: If you ever had the chance to kill a porcupine.... [Re: cathryn] #7609846
06/21/22 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by 160user
I kill everyone I see. Not only because of what they do to dogs but they girdle my trees too.


Everyone I see dies I have had a couple of dogs that had to be put down after tangling with one, both because it was blinded


Originally Posted by corky
Some dogs learn after the first encounter, others spend a lifetime trying to even the score


Originally Posted by cathryn
How much does it cost to get a dog dequilled?


Between 4/500 seems to be average around here, one local vet sells a care package that includes a dequilling and general shots for what’s about twice the cost of the shots, cheep if you need the dequilling part and many hunters or farmers do sooner or later

My old walker absolutely hated the things, when we were out if he was on a track and crossed a porky trail he would actually mark it then after we treed he would run back and track it down, didn’t matter if he was shocked no matter how much till he go his porky

He was a real Pro at killing them to, after the first couple times he never got another quill

Those of you looking to break a dog from them it’s best to do so before they get quilled

Shoot yourself a porky and let your dog investigate it, try and urge them to the point they get stuck, because it’s dead it shouldn’t be in deep and come out easily after a while they will loose interest, you might have to do it a few times but it generally works

If your dog is highly excitable and wants to jump full tilt onto everything you might have to restrain them a bit, you can also use the command NO if their broke to it

There’s something about porkys that for some reason seems to set most dogs off, I don’t know if it’s the smell or that slow waddling walk but it does





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Re: If you ever had the chance to kill a porcupine.... [Re: drasselt] #7609855
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Originally Posted by drasselt
I'd much prefer the porcupines to dogs that act like that. I guess a mitigating factor is they were in your yard so you might be able to write off that kind of "psycho" behavior to territoriality I suppose. Regardless I wouldn't own dogs that can't control themselves. I'd be concerned they might lose it and kill some innocent person. Just my opinion of course.

Hmmmph.
I guess we all have opinions


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Re: If you ever had the chance to kill a porcupine.... [Re: Lugnut] #7609868
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I usually removed quills from my coonhounds.. It usually wasn't a pleasant experience for the dog . Made sure it was something , they remembered. Most times once was enough. old243

Re: If you ever had the chance to kill a porcupine.... [Re: Strut10] #7609880
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I porky break mine, it’s not pretty, but neither is getting into a porky real bad.

Re: If you ever had the chance to kill a porcupine.... [Re: Strut10] #7609881
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We were overrun with them 10 years ago. We shot 34 of them on 1500 acres in the late winter. We had a permit for a non commercial shooting preserve….bird dogs were getting hammered hard. One morning before a hunt, I could see three different porcupines in the tree line.

They chewed up the hemlock porch floor of a cabin, chewed the tires off a grain elevator, and gnawed the corners of the log sided camp building. They chewed up brake hoses on parked vehicles, and ate the CDX plywood off of a dozen elevated box blinds.

Other than that , they never caused any problems.

Re: If you ever had the chance to kill a porcupine.... [Re: Strut10] #7609955
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I have not seen porcupines in Virginia.


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Re: If you ever had the chance to kill a porcupine.... [Re: 330-Trapper] #7609956
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Originally Posted by 330-Trapper
Originally Posted by drasselt
I'd much prefer the porcupines to dogs that act like that. I guess a mitigating factor is they were in your yard so you might be able to write off that kind of "psycho" behavior to territoriality I suppose. Regardless I wouldn't own dogs that can't control themselves. I'd be concerned they might lose it and kill some innocent person. Just my opinion of course.

Hmmmph.
I guess we all have opinions


We all know what opinions are like and why.

The porky WAS on their turf. I had already pitched a dead groundhog outta my front yard that morning. The boys have 5 acres inside of invisible fencing and they patrol ALL OF IT.

As for the same thing happening to an innocent person...................two things:

#1. They are well socialized with people. So long as you are here when you are supposed to be here, you are fine.
#2. Where I live, if you are in my yard (which is well marked "BEWARE OF THE DOGS") without my knowledge...............you most likely aren't innocent.


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Re: If you ever had the chance to kill a porcupine.... [Re: cathryn] #7609972
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Originally Posted by cathryn
How much does it cost to get a dog dequilled?
With about the same damage as the top picture, $100 here. On the button.


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Re: If you ever had the chance to kill a porcupine.... [Re: drasselt] #7609976
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Originally Posted by drasselt
I'd much prefer the porcupines to dogs that act like that. I guess a mitigating factor is they were in your yard so you might be able to write off that kind of "psycho" behavior to territoriality I suppose. Regardless I wouldn't own dogs that can't control themselves. I'd be concerned they might lose it and kill some innocent person. Just my opinion of course.


I never had a dog get after a Porky. But I did have one get after a Doe and her fawn, the dog figured out on her own that it wasn't a wise choice. But If it would of gone the other way and the doe would of stomped the dog i wouldn't be out killing every doe I ran across.

I have a buddy who has a bird dog that has gotten into porkies. She never got more than maybe 2 dozen quills. His dog is poorly trained and doesn't listen to any command unless its mind is clear. I have no sympathy for his dog or him when it comes to Porkies.

Just My .02

Re: If you ever had the chance to kill a porcupine.... [Re: Strut10] #7609985
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For many years porcupines were protected in PA. It's only the last several years that we have an open season on them. I will usually kill them when I see them unless I'm deer or turkey hunting and don't want the shot to spook game.

I kill every one I see around my camp. As Bigbrownie mentioned, they are very destructive. They have killed multiple hemlocks on my property by nipping the ends of branches off all winter long. They just love girdling the beech saplings I planted along the lane back to camp. I had to replant multiple times then finally had put three-foot tall aluminum tubes up to protect them.

They chew siding and about anything you touch with sweaty hands.

I tried skinning a few. They have surprisingly thin skin, like a rabbit but maybe even thinner.


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Re: If you ever had the chance to kill a porcupine.... [Re: Strut10] #7609986
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Glad we don't have them here. My JRT would probably attack every one he ran across.

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Re: If you ever had the chance to kill a porcupine.... [Re: Strut10] #7610045
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Originally Posted by Strut10


We all know what opinions are like and why.

The porky WAS on their turf. I had already pitched a dead groundhog outta my front yard that morning. The boys have 5 acres inside of invisible fencing and they patrol ALL OF IT.

As for the same thing happening to an innocent person...................two things:

#1. They are well socialized with people. So long as you are here when you are supposed to be here, you are fine.
#2. Where I live, if you are in my yard (which is well marked "BEWARE OF THE DOGS") without my knowledge...............you most likely aren't innocent.


Best of luck with it. Seems those invisible fences may not be all they're cracked up to be. Especially with "psycho" dogs with an obvious high tolerance for pain. It's hard to believe a shock collar would stop a dog that can take what that porky dished out.

Hope you never have to talk to a lawyer like this:
“Generally speaking, the electronic containment system is something that is an illusion of containment,” says Kenneth Phillips, an attorney who specializes in dog-bite cases.

In fact, “electronic containment systems usually are not considered to be any type of boundary fence as required by the ordinances of various cities and counties all over the country,” Phillips says. Municipalities that do include information on electronic fences generally state that they cannot be used for any dog with a history of aggression.


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Originally Posted by drasselt
Originally Posted by Strut10


We all know what opinions are like and why.

The porky WAS on their turf. I had already pitched a dead groundhog outta my front yard that morning. The boys have 5 acres inside of invisible fencing and they patrol ALL OF IT.

As for the same thing happening to an innocent person...................two things:

#1. They are well socialized with people. So long as you are here when you are supposed to be here, you are fine.
#2. Where I live, if you are in my yard (which is well marked "BEWARE OF THE DOGS") without my knowledge...............you most likely aren't innocent.


Best of luck with it. Seems those invisible fences may not be all they're cracked up to be. Especially with "psycho" dogs with an obvious high tolerance for pain. It's hard to believe a shock collar would stop a dog that can take what that porky dished out.

Hope you never have to talk to a lawyer like this:
“Generally speaking, the electronic containment system is something that is an illusion of containment,” says Kenneth Phillips, an attorney who specializes in dog-bite cases.

In fact, “electronic containment systems usually are not considered to be any type of boundary fence as required by the ordinances of various cities and counties all over the country,” Phillips says. Municipalities that do include information on electronic fences generally state that they cannot be used for any dog with a history of aggression.


Dunno. The invisible fence has worked flawlessly with them for 4 1/2 years.

The two obviously have a high prey drive. But not toward people. Aggression toward a groundhog or porcupine is poor evidence in court. They are territorial toward people who show up at the wrong time (in the dark or when we're not home). But you'll be MORE than fairly warned by them that you are being given ample opportunity to choose a better place to be.

In the presence of any family member here........... I trust them with anyone's kids.


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Originally Posted by Strut10
Well..................vet called again.

Second dog is done. He "only" had 500-700 quills. smirk

I was bracing when she gave me the bottom line. I was VERY pleasantly surprised !!!!!!!!! Total for both dogs (including the shots they needed updated on, Lyme tests, one dog's nails trimmed and all prescriptions) was only $907. I say "only".............but I was fully prepared for twice that or more. Thank the Lord !!!!



Yeah..you got off easy for sure.lol


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Re: If you ever had the chance to kill a porcupine.... [Re: Strut10] #7620634
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I agree with Drasselt-you should muzzle them if you cant control them,before they maul a small dog or someones kid.
Porky is defending itself in its god given way.

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