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Re: Lack of ethics of long range hunting breakdown [Re: hippie] #7610257
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Originally Posted by hippie
Heard a guy say this once and after thinking about it, he was spot on.....

He said, there are way more unethical shots taken that are under 100yds in a year than are taken over 100 in a year.



more deer are killed with shots under 100yds than over 100yds.

Saw a GA. survey, 80 some percent were under 75 yds, so 4 times more are shot under 75yds than over.

A more telling statistic is what percent of shots are unethical under 100yds vs over 100yds.

Example of lying/manipulated statistics

1000 deer are shot at under 100 yds, 100 are unethical = 10%
250 deer are shot at over 100yds. 50 are unethical = 20% Less unethical shots but a higher percentage.
So shot for shot more shots over 100yds are unethical in my example of lying/manipulated statistics.

Re: Lack of ethics of long range hunting breakdown [Re: Wolfdog91] #7610258
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ethics varies with skill levels....you cannot have a discussion on hunting ethics without talking about different skills and the level of proficiency each person has at those skills.



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Re: Lack of ethics of long range hunting breakdown [Re: Wolfdog91] #7610266
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Originally Posted by Wolfdog91
.....sooo....anyone happen to watch these videos orrrrr...

tarps.

Yes. We'll kind of. All the first one and 3/4 the 2nd if that counts.

Re: Lack of ethics of long range hunting breakdown [Re: Marty] #7610267
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Originally Posted by Marty
ethics varies with skill levels....you cannot have a discussion on hunting ethics without talking about different skills and the level of proficiency each person has at those skills.


to a small degree, is it ethical to shoot a deer in the rump while its walking away no matter the skill level?

I spend more time hunting Grouse than anything else.
1) I know some who hunt birds while driving logging trails shooting them while sitting on the ground from behind the open door of the truck.
2) I know others that wouldn't think of hunting without a dog, shooting only at flying birds pointed by the dog.
3) I know others who just take a slow walk in the woods with a shotgun in the hopes of maybe kicking up a bird or two.
4) I know others who use a dog for treeing the birds then shooting the birds while perched in a tree.

Are these methods all the same ethically?
No, they are not #3 is the most ethical, 2, then 4 and finally #1.

The most skilled guy with a shotgun can hunt unethically, skill level does not dictate ethics.

To hunt deer with the intent of shooting at long ranges only is unethical.

Re: Lack of ethics of long range hunting breakdown [Re: Wolfdog91] #7610321
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Originally Posted by Wolfdog91
.....sooo....anyone happen to watch these videos orrrrr...


My apologies. I thought you had linked to Randy Selby's videos. You linked to a guy dissing Randy Selby's videos. While some of this guy's comments are valid......the part where he accuses Randy of lying goes too far. Randy agreed to share his knowledge to do those videos........is not staring into the distance, but is looking at a set of notes on a cue card to keep him on topic. And of course that is his personality. He is an old boy who has made his living with guns. He is not an actor or an entertainer.

Randy reminds my of a friend of mine by the name of John who in his younger years was a hunting guide in WY. Dealt with city hunters. He told last hunt he guided ended bad when client shot an elk......told John to get the head for a mount and leave the rest for the coyotes. John insisted on quartering the elk and packing it out. Client got irate and demanded he abandon it. Went downhill from there. John got client and elk back to civilization and said never again. I think the point of Randy's ethics videos is when a guy gets out there and wants to shoot an elk at 800 or 1000 yards, just to be doing so.......that is not a good thing. Perhaps there are a select few that can.......but most don't have any business trying. But try convincing them of that. Crippling an animal and condemning them to a slow death to satisfy an ego is the concern.

When the guy doing these videos has walked a mile in Randy's shoes.......he should come back and do those again.


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Re: Lack of ethics of long range hunting breakdown [Re: Wolfdog91] #7610325
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To each his own I shot a cow elk at 35 yards once with a bow wounded her because it bounced off some brush. She stop again at 80 yards I put her at ,, shot her again all I had was 3/4away shot and took it and the arrow did it job exiting between her front legs...
So my point is if a arrow can do that a bullet ,(enough fps to open the bullet to mushroom and do job at range with right construction and enough practice on windy or calm days this day and 600yrds is chip shot if needed)
Myself I like it when I can sneak up and touch them with the gun barrel then pull the trigger.
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Re: Lack of ethics of long range hunting breakdown [Re: Wolfdog91] #7610331
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The only person who can decide whether a shot is ethical or not is the person taking it. For some guys, no shot is ethical. I personally know at least one guy like that. He hunts with a semi auto 30-06 because, and I quote, ď if ya throw enough lead down range youíll hit it eventuallyĒ

For me, with my .270 that Iíve shot for over a decade, that I know extremely well and am very comfortable with, 300 yards is my max range. Thatís the furthest range that I know, without a shadow of a doubt, that I can hit the vitals on a critter 100% of the time, if the critter is still and broadside and I get a good solid rest, preferably prone.

On the range I can hit out to 500 easily, but thatís too far for my comfort while hunting.


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Re: Lack of ethics of long range hunting breakdown [Re: Wolfdog91] #7610338
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Would it be ethical for me to shoot a deer offhand at 300 yards with my open sighted Henry .22? No, absolutely not. Is that same shot ethical if I have my weatherby vanguard .270 topped with a vortex viper 4-24x50 scope prone on my bipod? Absolutely yes!

Too many variables to cast a net so wide as to say that long range hunting is/is not ethical. For me itís not ethical, I donít have the proper rifle, training or skills to shoot an animal at 1000+ yards. For others it is ethical.


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Re: Lack of ethics of long range hunting breakdown [Re: Wolfdog91] #7610342
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Leaves me out , I like 150-200 yard shot's less packing laugh


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Re: Lack of ethics of long range hunting breakdown [Re: Wolfdog91] #7610347
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I look at this way you can buy tech,,, for hunting but you can not buy woodsmanship.
Today's trapper has same problem in my opinion. All nice traps best lure on the wrong spot equals squat.
I'm out.
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Re: Lack of ethics of long range hunting breakdown [Re: Wolfdog91] #7610361
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There are some people much more capable of making a long range shot accurately who are able to allow for windage, distance, etc. Carlos Hathcock comes to mind as a person who made unbelievable shots.


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Re: Lack of ethics of long range hunting breakdown [Re: Wolfdog91] #7610366
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The closer the shot the more ethical.
Like jacklighting deer at night 20 feet in front of your buick.


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Re: Lack of ethics of long range hunting breakdown [Re: Boco] #7610370
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Originally Posted by Boco
The closer the shot the more ethical.
Like jacklighting deer at night 20 feet in front of your buick.

How many can you fit in its trunk?

Re: Lack of ethics of long range hunting breakdown [Re: Wolfdog91] #7610389
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I will add one more thing to consider?
Back in the day before trapperman or early day there was more time spent in the woods.
Trapperman has help make a lot of trappers more tech. Savy,,,, now putting all that in practice depends on you you doing your work in the woods scouting like hunting imo.
So no slight just a observation. In questions asked over the years.

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