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Re: Other salmon news... [Re: waggler] #7608564
06/19/22 07:55 PM
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Noticed the DFO closed the same in Canada as well yukonjeff

Re: Other salmon news... [Re: waggler] #7608745
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Thats a bummer. You know the time has come to reconsider an enhancement program for the Yukon Kings.

ADFnG stocks ship creek a tiny creek in Anchorage with 600,000 King salmon smolt for the sport fisherman. Just think what 600,000 Kings would mean for Yukon subsistence and commercial fishing.

Re: Other salmon news... [Re: waggler] #7608894
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Hatchery kings are the only kings we are allowed in spring here now, as well. Hard to fathom.


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Re: Other salmon news... [Re: waggler] #7610663
06/23/22 01:58 AM
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It mind boggles me that they have not put in hatcheries on the Big and Little Susitna. But even if they did I dont think we would get the return. Those trawler guys are doing a number on them out in the ocean and we are the ones biting the bullet.

Re: Other salmon news... [Re: waggler] #7611660
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ADFG is conducting another in river study on king salmon here to figure out why they are not returning from the ocean. Not much meat on this bone.


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Re: Other salmon news... [Re: Dirt] #7612211
06/25/22 03:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Dirt
ADFG is conducting another in river study on king salmon here to figure out why they are not returning from the ocean. Not much meat on this bone.


There is more money in studying the problem than there is in finding the solution. They have been studying the Yukon's low King returns for over 17 years.

In the end they will go to their old stand by "Climate Change" as the reason. Its just unfortunate that it only effects certain fisheries.

Re: Other salmon news... [Re: waggler] #7612293
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Dont forget those taken when they are down around Japan with all their drift nets, and do you think there will be anymore talk with USSR about their take..... eek

Re: Other salmon news... [Re: HFT AK] #7664842
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Originally Posted by HFT AK
It mind boggles me that they have not put in hatcheries on the Big and Little Susitna. But even if they did I dont think we would get the return. Those trawler guys are doing a number on them out in the ocean and we are the ones biting the bullet.


Currently, Cook Inlet Aquaculture is conducting an in river program to reduce in river predation of red salmon by Northern Pike. We will be looking at the results of this program this winter to determine if similar program on the in river predators of King salmon may be the solution to the continuing decline of the King salmon. We are at the point where we will maybe TRY fixing this problem in river, since nobody seems to offer a solution to the ocean problem.


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Re: Other salmon news... [Re: waggler] #7664844
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A lot of new information possibly linking huge numbers of pink salmon in the north pacific may be contributing to the decline in King salmon.
BTW, lots of information out there other than this article.
https://www.homernews.com/news/whats-causing-the-king-salmon-decline/


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Re: Other salmon news... [Re: waggler] #7664861
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I haven't heard that pink salmon hatcheries are closing? This is where many of these pink salmon came from.

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Re: Other salmon news... [Re: waggler] #7665004
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Is this pike eradication similar to the Dolly Varden bounty of the old days? Or eagle bounties?


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Re: Other salmon news... [Re: alaska viking] #7665022
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Originally Posted by alaska viking
Is this pike eradication similar to the Dolly Varden bounty of the old days? Or eagle bounties?


It is not really eradication. It is removal of large numbers by netting for several years. Possibly, a full 4 years. I read about the dolly bounties at least out west and they really had little impact, apparently from a lack of manpower living there at the time. In principle, removing a large number of juvenile/ egg predators should improve salmon overall survival rates. We will find out when, the biologist ( I believe he is a biologist ) gives us the results of the program. The last 30 or 40 years we have been increasing the number of salmon freshwater predators as a management goal. Maybe, we should stop?


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Re: Other salmon news... [Re: Dirt] #7665203
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Originally Posted by Dirt
I haven't heard that pink salmon hatcheries are closing? This is where many of these pink salmon came from.

The value of a humpy

Disclaimer: Craig is not always accurate. There may be some facts here.

We tend to view the ocean as an endless resource with plenty of feed for any amount of salmon smolts that we dump in there. The data seems to be pointing out that this is a wrong conception.
We really need to reconsider all these humpy hatcheries.

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Re: Other salmon news... [Re: waggler] #7665228
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The Indians and Fish and Game gill netted a bunch of pike in a lake here, to try and improve the trout. Personally I think the Indians pushed it and did it just to stick a thumb in everyones eye. I know I would dang sure rather catch and eat a pike than a trout, and the vast majority of fishermen agree with me.

There was no noticeable improvement in trout numbers but there was a huge drop in the quality of pike fishing after they gill netted them for two years. And they claimed to be only targeting pike, but they were netting around me while I was out there fishing and there were plenty of other fish, bass primarily, but anything with decent sized head stuck in those gill nets when they pulled them in.

Re: Other salmon news... [Re: bearcat2] #7668320
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One of the worst feelings was to be salmon fishing in WA, working hard just to see the Indians netting it at the mouth. Dunno if its still the same but hatchery kings were all you were allowed to keep in the Puget Sound.

Re: Other salmon news... [Re: waggler] #7668538
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^^^^^^^
You stopped short of real salmon fishing!


I love the smell of burning spruce---I love the sound of a spring time goose---I love the feel of 40 below---from my trapline I will never go!
Re: Other salmon news... [Re: MattLA] #7668604
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Originally Posted by Tofan
One of the worst feelings was to be salmon fishing in WA, working hard just to see the Indians netting it at the mouth. Dunno if its still the same but hatchery kings were all you were allowed to keep in the Puget Sound.

Haven't been there in 20 years, but I'm pretty sure they haven't put more regs on the Indians. I know guys that used to get old hay bales and toss them off bridges upstream of the Indians gill nets.

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Originally Posted by bearcat2
Originally Posted by Tofan
One of the worst feelings was to be salmon fishing in WA, working hard just to see the Indians netting it at the mouth. Dunno if its still the same but hatchery kings were all you were allowed to keep in the Puget Sound.

Haven't been there in 20 years, but I'm pretty sure they haven't put more regs on the Indians. I know guys that used to get old hay bales and toss them off bridges upstream of the Indians gill nets.



LMAO, god that is awesome wish I could have seen that. Oh absolutely not on the regs on the Indians. Speaking of the salmon @ Oh Snap, I know, the timing was just never right. I was thankful to have gone when I did with a good friend of mine. Puyallap River, Tank Hill Bridge I believe it was called, Puget Sound. Those barbless hooks suck, lost many a kings right at the boat because of those!

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