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Re: The metric system [Re: Dirty D] #7613114
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Originally Posted by Dirty D


AS far as precision, I'd argue that imperial is more precise. Typically imperial measure in thousands of an inch, .001. Metric is .01mm. .001" is a smaller (more precise) amount.



.001 inches is .0254 mm so it is not a smaller more precise amount than .01 mm. You would have to go to 3.9 ten thousandths to do better than .01 mm.

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So looking at that map I have to wonder:

How many of those non-red places have ever used metric pipe.


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Re: The metric system [Re: Scuba1] #7613124
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Why change something that works? Changing just to be changing is stupid. Any measurement system is only as accurate as the person measuring and the tools used.


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Re: The metric system [Re: Scuba1] #7613129
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My tape measurer goes by feet and inches. It's worked just fine so far. Most of the countries shown as not red are still mostly illiterate.


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Re: The metric system [Re: Dirty D] #7613131
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Originally Posted by Dirty D
Worked in manufacturing.
One issue with going to metric is all the machine tools and measuring equipment around when the change was proposed were in imperial. So either convert all metric to imperial to make stuff (still happens most of the time.) or buy all new machines and measuring equipment. So the only real solution was convert from metric to imperial. there is one h*ll of a lot of machine tools and measuring equipment out there that is still in operation that was made before the '70's. And alot being sold today is still made in the imperial system.
Most part drawings are metric, then converted to imperial to make tooling and equipment to make parts. Parts made from tooling equipment are then measured as the drawing in metric.

Some places I worked at wanted tooling to be metric, so tooling was priced higher, had to buy metric taps, reamers and other components to make the tooling. Raw material (steel for example) is pretty much Imperial. So alot of the stuff was made in odd metric sizes cause in reality it was sized in imperial.

AS far as precision, I'd argue that imperial is more precise. Typically imperial measure in thousands of an inch, .001. Metric is .01mm. .001" is a smaller (more precise) amount.

Some may argue about fractions of an inch. How many carpenters, masons, roofers, and electricians work in less than 1/16"? Everyone I know who works in finer measurements ends up going to thousands of an inch, no more fractions. I have never seen anything built to any other fraction other than a multiple of 1/16. Never seen 1/7 or 1/5 or 1/13 used. So fractions are easy, I can tell you off the top of my head the decimal equivalents of every 1/16 increment. Work with the system for awhile and its easy.

Go to any hardware store and start looking for metric fasteners, wrenches taps, dies and compare to whats available in imperial. Always alot more Imperial stuff.

I watch youtubes from other countries that are metric and you'll see them using imperial from time to time.

In the end it works so why change? Just to be like everyone else?


Your better cabinet makers will mill down to the 32nd. Any finer than that the micrometer comes out.

Re: The metric system [Re: beaverpeeler] #7613136
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
Pretty soon Scuba will have us figuring out fuel efficiency in our vehicles by counting how many liters of petrol to 100 kilometers like they do in France.



I suspect he uses furlongs per fortnight.


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Re: The metric system [Re: Dirty D] #7613139
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Originally Posted by Dirty D
Originally Posted by Gulo
Building my house, a co-worker was at the smart end of the tape measure, I was on the dumb end. He told me I needed to cut the board "11 feet, 4 3/16 inches. Wow! Why not 3.46 meters? Water boils at 212 degrees? How stupid. Why not freeze at 0, boil at 100? I think American's are too lazy to convert, although to me, it makes too much sense. Basically, the only thing we do metric is our money.

Rant over...

Jack


11 ft 4 3/16" is way more precise than 3.46meters.

if your of 1/16 your off .0625"
if your off .01 meters your off .3937"

so a measurement in 1/16 of n inch is 15X smaller (more precise) than a measurement in .01 meters.

I'd rather anyone building anything of mine would work in 1/16 rather than .01 meters.

your wrong about too lazy to convert, I had to convert metirc to imperial and back again so much that after awhile I can now do it in my head as I worked with both all day long. I was forced to by customers and vendors.




The flaw in your thinking is that metric measuring sticks and tapes have a division of 0.001m or 1 mm and in the technical world, measurements are given in mm and decimals thereof not cm


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Re: The metric system [Re: Scuba1] #7613148
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i am fine with ounces pounds and tons. inches feet and yards. pints quarts and gallons.


leave the european measurements in europe


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Re: The metric system [Re: Scuba1] #7613150
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Where were you all in 1992? That's when the Feds started to change all DOT projects to metric. As a surveyor we had to dump all of our imperial equipment and purchase all metric tapes, rods, etc. All highway plans had to be done metric. Many many millions were spent upgrading everything including all of the manuals. Guess what happened, the contractors/manufactures refused to change, an 18" pipe stayed 18" a half inch rebar stayed a half inch, etc. After five - ten years the Feds gave up and returned to imperial. Many many millions down the drain. The non red areas of the map as well our Dr's and scientists are just not smart enough to use imperial.

Re: The metric system [Re: Scuba1] #7613152
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Re: The metric system [Re: Scuba1] #7613155
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Being a product of the California education system of the 50 and 60’s and serving a 4 year carpenter apprenticeship also in the 60’s don’t confuse me with new math or metric measurement unless you want things screwed up. 10ths we’re bad enough to learn for my simple mind since it was not taught.

Thank goodness for Measure Master Pro conversion calculators and apps. Some of the jobs we are on now like bridges and some commercial buildings the designers are using metric measurements.


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Re: The metric system [Re: Scuba1] #7613163
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Do you know what ticks me off? The need for two sets of wrenches and two sets of sockets in both SAE and metric sizes. What a waste of money!


Eh...wot?

Re: The metric system [Re: Lugnut] #7613171
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Originally Posted by Lugnut
Do you know what ticks me off? The need for two sets of wrenches and two sets of sockets in both SAE and metric sizes. What a waste of money!

X1000!


Hey Scuba, when ya go out to the garden do ya pick a bushel of green beans or do ya say I picked 35.2391 liters of beans? grin


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Re: The metric system [Re: Drifter] #7613174
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Originally Posted by Drifter
Why change something that works? Changing just to be changing is stupid. Any measurement system is only as accurate as the person measuring and the tools used.


So true.. you get people that cant measure worth a darn.. wont be any easier with metric

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It’s hilarious trying to explain percent of grade to a plumber. They’re all a quarter bubble off.


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Re: The metric system [Re: Lugnut] #7613184
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Originally Posted by Lugnut
Do you know what ticks me off? The need for two sets of wrenches and two sets of sockets in both SAE and metric sizes. What a waste of money!

And ya can still never find that 10mm socket.......
State projects uses tenths of a foot instead of inches........that's hard to comprehend too. My Son was staking out the foundation for a new house. He had a 100' tape that was inches and feet on one side, and tenths on the other side. We discovered it after not being able to get the foundation square after about 10 tries. Then I discovered the one side was tenths. Brand new tape and he beat it to pulp with a sledge hammer. laugh

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Did you know they're not going to make yard sticks any longer???

They're going to leave them the length they have always been. laugh


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Re: The metric system [Re: Lugnut] #7613193
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Originally Posted by Lugnut
Do you know what ticks me off? The need for two sets of wrenches and two sets of sockets in both SAE and metric sizes. What a waste of money!


We moved from Germany to the UK when I was 15 and my i did y first apprenticeship as a diesel maniac while they were changing to metric stuff. British leyland did not show a single bolt away it seemed like and had Witworth, BS, AF and metric nuts and bolts on the same truck. I had four sets of wrenches. We had to buy our own tools then and the snap on guy that came by every friday just after we go our ages was one happy camper in those days.
Me thinking if I could buy a 13mm of a half inch AF combination wrench that week lol The tool box was pretty weighty as well when ya had to go to a breakdown.


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Re: The metric system [Re: FairbanksLS] #7613223
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Originally Posted by white dog
It’s hilarious trying to explain percent of grade to a plumber. They’re all a quarter bubble off.


Or slope vs pitch to a roofer.

Re: The metric system [Re: Gary Benson] #7613228
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Originally Posted by Gary Benson
Did you know they're not going to make yard sticks any longer???

They're going to leave them the length they have always been. laugh

I'm gonna go ahead and admit it took me longer than it should have to get that. smile

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