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What is lost in simplicity and the easy way ? #7614412
06/28/22 07:20 AM
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This is something that's been stuck in my head and have been chewing at me alot lately.

When somone always tries to go about stuff in the simplest or easy way , break things down in the simplest idea possible or do things in the easiest seeming /possible way .... What is or can be lost in that ?

I don't think there's any right or wrong or definite answer to this but I dont know , just something that's even chewing at me crazy

Re: What is lost in simplicity and the easy way ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7614426
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When I saw a buddy pull a mini torch lighter thing out of his pocket to start a campfire while we were out trapping, camping, and roughing it last year, I thought the same thing. On a different scale we have used social media to replace actually talking to each. We should use these things as tools and not replacements. Maybe someday there won't be lighters and social media. We'll be stuck at a cold campfire without anyway to communicate with the guy next to us.. Just examples, but I get your thoughts. Some easy things better us, some easy things don't. Where and when do you draw the line?

Re: What is lost in simplicity and the easy way ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7614430
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Originally Posted by Wolfdog91
This is something that's been stuck in my head and have been chewing at me alot lately.

When somone always tries to go about stuff in the simplest or easy way , break things down in the simplest idea possible or do things in the easiest seeming /possible way .... What is or can be lost in that ?

I don't think there's any right or wrong or definite answer to this but I dont know , just something that's even chewing at me crazy



Let me Google or YouTube an answer to you.

Blessings,
Mark

Re: What is lost in simplicity and the easy way ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7614431
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I struggle with teaching new beekeepers the why of what we do. So many today think in terms of a set of instructions or rote way of doing. But when it comes to natural things like bees, or the critters we trap, they fail to understand that the bees never read the book.


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Re: What is lost in simplicity and the easy way ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7614436
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I'm going thru this right now. I've been gardening and composting for 40 yrs. Now the lady's 26 yr old son in law watched a couple youtube videos on composting and he knows much more than I do. laugh. We'll see who's garden looks the best


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Re: What is lost in simplicity and the easy way ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7614444
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depends upon the situation.

often times the quick/easy way is not the best long term but gets wanted results for a short term. Example, out in a boat, it gets a puncture in the bottom, its leaking pretty good, no welder to fix it up out in the middle of nowhere. Solution, flip boat over and cover hole with gorilla tape. Quick and easy fix, not for the long term but good enough to get you home.

Re: What is lost in simplicity and the easy way ? [Re: ] #7614454
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Originally Posted by Mark June
Originally Posted by Wolfdog91
This is something that's been stuck in my head and have been chewing at me alot lately.

When somone always tries to go about stuff in the simplest or easy way , break things down in the simplest idea possible or do things in the easiest seeming /possible way .... What is or can be lost in that ?

I don't think there's any right or wrong or definite answer to this but I dont know , just something that's even chewing at me crazy



Let me Google or YouTube an answer to you.

Blessings,
Mark



laugh

Re: What is lost in simplicity and the easy way ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7614470
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Missed opportunities.

Sometimes you can't use your simple way. You can force it sometimes. Oftentimes you can't so you have to pass that opportunity by till you can find the situation your simple way will work.

Re: What is lost in simplicity and the easy way ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7614480
06/28/22 08:59 AM
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The KISS system has solved a lot of problems and developed lots of new methods. Keep It Simple Stupid!

But as Sniper said in the above post, sometimes you have to crank it up a notch or two.


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Re: What is lost in simplicity and the easy way ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7614507
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I have never understood why people want to always make things more difficult. smirk

Making things simpler is the way the world works. Everything from language to recipes to machines start out complex and evolve to simpler. Less parts, less effort, make for efficiency.

There ain't nothin' wrong with the old ways; but, don't discard progress.


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Re: What is lost in simplicity and the easy way ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7614562
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You lose the ability to, or better said, never develop the ability to critically think when it's always handed to you in the simplest terms possible. This is what Warrior was alluding to when discussing teaching beekeeping. They are looking for the hard fast answers to always get it right. However, sometimes you have to maul information to adapt it to situations... that's called Experience.


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Re: What is lost in simplicity and the easy way ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7614617
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Just cause it's simple don't mean it's bad...

My old man had a saying, get the laziest man on a crew to work on a difficult job, you'll have simple shortcuts in a hurry, lol

Re: What is lost in simplicity and the easy way ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7614620
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Depending on your perspective, the simplest way is generally the best way. The primary function of a (good) engineer/designer is to achieve the desired end result in the most uncomplicated manner possible. This reduces the incidence of error, whether it be introduced error, operator error or otherwise. It is basically easier to get something simple right the first time.
There is (or should be) a process to it that, when it is well done, can be applied to most things in this life. Briefly stated, when presented with a problem you should boil it down to it's most basic facts and determine your desired outcome (this represents "the end"). Next, you determine the steps you need to take to achieve the desired outcome ("the beginning).
You want to compress "the middle" into as few simple steps as possible in order to get from A to B. It is during this process that you begin adding layers of complexity if required. If you add unnecessary steps or overly complicated processes it opens the door to unintended or bad outcomes, errors, etc. Keeping things simple is a means to bring order to chaos and is a life skill that is sorely lacking, particularly among the highly educated.


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Re: What is lost in simplicity and the easy way ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7614621
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Wolfie, no matter the task at hand, the problem being solved, or the fix needing fixing......there will always be those folks that, through their hard-wiring, or maybe DNA, that will over-think things. It is exasperating to me, and I know folks that continuously do just that. Even, as is often the case, if it is to their detriment, or just makes more work for themselves with little, or no, gain.

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Re: What is lost in simplicity and the easy way ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7614627
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The best inventions were made by lazy people! But it has gone too far. Automatic water heater, automatic running water, automatic washer and dryer, automatic stoves, automatic air conditioners, automatic transmissions, automatic everything and people don't even have to stand up to turn on the TV. Drive thru food joints and even drive thru liquor stores. Now we have 400 lb people everywhere because they don't have to put effort into anything.


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Re: What is lost in simplicity and the easy way ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7614631
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Sometimes nothing is lost, sometimes quality is lost.

Re: What is lost in simplicity and the easy way ? [Re: warrior] #7614653
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Originally Posted by warrior
I struggle with teaching new beekeepers the why of what we do. So many today think in terms of a set of instructions or rote way of doing. But when it comes to natural things like bees, or the critters we trap, they fail to understand that the bees never read the book.



One of the most exciting and frustrating things I have ever done. Lots to learn for sure. Just when I think I have got it the bees let me know I don't.

Re: What is lost in simplicity and the easy way ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7614668
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Wolf, that is how computer software and programming works at its basic level.

Re: What is lost in simplicity and the easy way ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7614671
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Well it really depends on what you’re doing. Some things nothing is lost, others you just wind up with a real shoddy end result. Sometimes the only thing gained by doing something the long/hard way is the self satisfaction you get that you did it the hard way.


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Re: What is lost in simplicity and the easy way ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7614702
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I Heard from my first boss in a factory , it's only work until you learn how .
We should always learn everything we can.
Just in case , and the way things are going , we're going to need the old harder ? ways .


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