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Re: Carry pistol for bad eye sight [Re: Wolfdog91] #7615278
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glasses with strap also

in the famous Miami Dade FBI shoot out , the guy who was the best shot wore thick glasses and his glasses were lost in the crash , he from across the street could not see well enough to make the hits he would have normally easily made. dumped more than 2 mags from his S&W 9mm semi auto possibly scoring one hit in the arm of the suspect/driver/shooter taking out the other agents


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Re: Carry pistol for bad eye sight [Re: Wolfdog91] #7615332
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Cap gun? grin

Re: Carry pistol for bad eye sight [Re: Wolfdog91] #7615337
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330 that would be the girlfriend loop hole.

If she likes the heavy weak judge she will love the serbu. Did anyone look it up?

Re: Carry pistol for bad eye sight [Re: Wolfdog91] #7615338
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For actual self defense from an attack I would say point and shoot is what to become proficient at....range will be under 7 yards. Aim for groin to minimize background issues and that will also go under most body armor and is pretty effective at stopping a threat.

No time to aim.....gun should be one that the user finds e-z to fire and will not/or minimize any malfunction's.



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Re: Carry pistol for bad eye sight [Re: Wolfdog91] #7615340
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Nothing wrong with having 2 guns


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Re: Carry pistol for bad eye sight [Re: Providence Farm] #7615351
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
330 that would be the girlfriend loop hole.

If she likes the heavy weak judge she will love the serbu. Did anyone look it up?

I am aware of what it is , 870 with about 6 inches of barrel and 2-3 rounds in the mag tube in 12 or 20 ga

it might actually be a tiny bit more useful than a judge at the expense of another pound at least it isn't rifled but it is an AOW so there is that

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Re: Carry pistol for bad eye sight [Re: Wolfdog91] #7615355
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For all you guys saying no need for sights remember this. Every bullet downrange has a lawyer attached to it.

Roll the dice and take your chances but I've done enough point shooting to trust my sights more.

The key for you slow folks is the draw stroke that puts the sights right there in your line of sight. From there it's either slide index fast and dirty or line them up proper as the situation merits.

And don't count on it being seven yards either. My first time having to draw for effect was 35 yards, fortunately the dude with shotgun got out of sight as I was stacking the trigger. But I still clearly recall the sight picture of front sight on blue bandana.

Re: Carry pistol for bad eye sight [Re: Wolfdog91] #7615360
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Practice pointing and shooting at 5, 10, 15 yards. Shoot till the threat is eliminated

Stay away from bad areas and situations.

Practice, practice, practice


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Re: Carry pistol for bad eye sight [Re: Wolfdog91] #7615364
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a person who cannot see well may have no business shooting at someone @ 35 yards..I think it is best to work within the limitations of each person. On average most folks who carry cannot hit a human at 35 yards with their handgun with any regularity.



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Re: Carry pistol for bad eye sight [Re: Marty] #7615383
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Originally Posted by Marty
a person who cannot see well may have no business shooting at someone @ 35 yards..I think it is best to work within the limitations of each person. On average most folks who carry cannot hit a human at 35 yards with their handgun with any regularity.


When I was in practice, long ago, a pie plate at 100 was in my regular routine. On a good day I could keep them all in but a man sized target at that distance wasn't safe any day. This was with irons on a model 36 Chiefs Special j-frame Smith.
When I switched to the 1911 I couldn't do it as the stock gi sights weren't tall enough to give a good sight picture as I had to hold a good bit of front sight above the notch.
I was also burning through a few hundred rounds a month back then as well.

But if you carry it is your responsibility to know how to use it under all possible scenarios or avoid those scenarios where you can't.

Re: Carry pistol for bad eye sight [Re: Wolfdog91] #7615391
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This is my recommendation, the XS big dot.

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They also have a standard dot.

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And they are tritium night sights.

Re: Carry pistol for bad eye sight [Re: Wolfdog91] #7615404
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Another thing on the red dots.

You mention vision issues. If she has any measure of astigmatism, as I do, most red dots will appear as a blur or smear even with corrective lenses. Don't ask me to explain the why other than to say astigmatism is a warped eyeball that renders the reception at the back of the eye with some parts in perfect focus with other parts out of focus. Don't know just why red dots and their laser or led light smears but it does. Depending on severity it can still be used with some level of accuracy if not precision. I can but don't care for the blur.

Etched reticles don't have this issue but I don't know of any etched handgun sights.

Re: Carry pistol for bad eye sight [Re: Wolfdog91] #7615438
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Warrior makes a good point about red dots

this is what a red dot looks like to my phone camera

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this is my artist rendering of what it looks like to my eye
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this is on a rifle and inside 100 yards it isn't an issue just put the red startburst on the target out at 200 it gets a little harder an 8 inch steel plate is mostly covered by the dot it should only cover 4 inches but it seems to be more like 6 to me



on a pistol because it is farther from the eye it isn't as star bursty to me but she should look through several before buying and see what they look like to her

maybe see if you can rent a gun with a dot at a range


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Re: Carry pistol for bad eye sight [Re: Wolfdog91] #7615457
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To me I get a smear to the upper right. The left bottom pretty clear. And yes close in splatter it on target and bang, further out well it's there somewhere.

Re: Carry pistol for bad eye sight [Re: Scout1] #7615515
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Originally Posted by Scout1
Taurus Judge. .410 buck shot.

Exactly what I was thinking.

Re: Carry pistol for bad eye sight [Re: Wolfdog91] #7615545
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What kind of eyesight problem are we dealing with?

This thread is full of really bad advise.

In order to defend oneself in a self defense shooting, accuracy does matter. AVERAGE distance for self defense shootings is 21 feet. A bunch happen within arms reach so to average 21 feet that means some happen at much greater distance. She needs to be prepared for anything.

I personally hate electronic dots. I have fairly good vision and the dot is always misshapen to me. Not enough to matter but enough to be distracting. I much prefer a good light gathering sight. There plenty on the market, just make sure the front dot is a different color than the rear sight or dots.

Re: Carry pistol for bad eye sight [Re: jeff karsten] #7615597
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Originally Posted by jeff karsten
Nothing wrong with having 2 guns


In my opinion 2 guns is the best option.

I donít care for any form of electronics on a carry/defense gun. As others have mentioned a defense situation is going to be close quarters and be a high stress situation no need to complicate the situation with gidgets and gadgets.

For small/medium critter defense get a quality rimfire with a reflex sight if needed. Fun and relatively economical to shoot even in these times.

Re: Carry pistol for bad eye sight [Re: Wolfdog91] #7615810
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Asking for gun site advice for someone who can't see well would seem to me to be the same as me asking how an old broke down man like myself to choose which fighting style i should use to handle hand to hand combat with an irate MMA fighter.
Everyone has their limitations. If she can't see well, and corrective lenses aren't an option, she needs a shotgun.
As far as my scenario with the MMA fighter, I choose to go with the age old saying, "Never challenge an old man to a fight. He won't fight you. He'll just kill you."

Re: Carry pistol for bad eye sight [Re: Wolfdog91] #7615812
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What Carl said.


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Re: Carry pistol for bad eye sight [Re: Wolfdog91] #7615816
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Carl has a very valid point. Especially when you consider pistols are what you fight with until you can get to your rifle or shotgun or if your long gun goes down.

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