New Generation doesn't want to work. I work for the Feds, we have a batch of new hires that have been complaining nonstop since they started. They are upset they have to work weekends, holidays, and/or shiftwork. It's almost like they expected to start out with 10 years seniority.

This^^^ I enjoy my job and am great full for it. Not many as good as I have out there. But I have no illusion the first chance they get my pension will be frozen and benefits cut. Lately they can't get our pay correct. It's going down hill fast. I'm just a number and looked at the same as the quipment I drive ment to be used and tossed out.

A few years back they hired 30 people and 2 weeks later layed them off. Many of them quit good jobs to come work here and were instantly with out a job and insurance. The company knew they were going to be having cutbacks before they hired them but did so anyway. Very low class move.

Been here 16 years and have zero loyalty. Love the job but know where I stand and have no illusions about it.

Got a phone interview tomorrow. But probably won't touch my pay and current benefits so I will continue where I'm currently at most likely.

Our company went to a 36.5 hr work week and get paid for 40 hrs. Goes against the grain

if you can find a person to fill out an application , and show up to an interview , and interview well and pass the drug test , and show up to work for 6 months you absolutely want to find more of them.

finding anyone is hard right now , finding people who show up , work all shift maybe even put in some OT and don't either seriously mess up or breaks stuff or call in sick for every hang nail

,it is tight right now unemployment is around 2.9% and if you don't have a job today you are probably unemployable or looking in such an incredibly narrow career area.

Bingo! You can work 15 hours a week at chick Fila and live in a 2 room apartment with a buddy, split bills and play world of war craft 80 hours a week. Survival is enough for most and we've made it easy to survive but incredibly difficult to thrive. To many just take the easy road.

It isn't the workforce as much as you think. Today's employers are bad. Getting worse all the time. I don't blame them one but. I've stayed on one job for 20 years straight and it's got me nowhere. In fact would you believe a company would make 80 billion and cut out overtime pay, while working mandatory ot.

I thought the same way until I built my own business…. Then reality set in!

Echoing my stance. Heck my company started offering to cater dinners when we exceed production expectations . My crew does this often and gets more out the door than the other 3 crews constantly. We are proud of it and work well together.

The company was 7 meals behind and decided nope not going to do it any more. Cool but seem like thay should do the meals they had already comited to. But nope. Now add in payroll problems the mood is not going to say positive long.

What work force!

Stores moan that they can't find anybody to work, but the street corners are loaded with sob story moochers holding out their hands! At least you got a piece of candy from the ball team moochers!

QUOTE " My crew does this often and gets more out the door than the other 3 crews constantly. We are proud of it and work well together."

That there is the reason for a bad employer. Only 25% of the work force is productive. Hard times for employers. Never before problems in the work force! Have to put up with situations like never before!

The employer takes all the risk, everything on the line no matter how big they are. All an employee has to do is do their job. The employees risk is bringing a lunch.

This is an old plant with a lot of guys with over 30 one guy has 54 years and none in my department have less than 5. I have 16 years in and really don't have a lot of seniority. The production on the other crews is on par with past performance. Except when the new collage kids get in management and try to make changes then production re early drops until they do away with that great idea that cost a ton 8 months later.

Point being it's not a the labor won't work issue here. It's just my crew tends to have knowledge of the best way to get production out the door and our supervisor let's us run it. Unlike the other supervisors who call upper management to get directions on what to do. Directions from people who have never done the job just book knowledge and theory. Our production record shows the knowledge base of guy's that have been do the job gets better results. Now our boss gets in a ton of hot water but our production gets him a pass.

Around here companies are constantly trying to steal employees from others. They offer the sign on bonuses to get them there.

One hospital a few years ago offered a $15,000 sign on bonus for nurses to come work there and $5/hour wage increase. You had to sign a contract to work for them for 5 years otherwise you had to pay the bonus back. Our local hospital took a hit. Those nurses found out the grass isn't always greener.

A lot of those nurses came back. They were in for a surprise when our hospital started them out at the bottom. No seniority, less wages than when they left, and less vacation.

I started with a company in the oilfield at 21 years old. It was a family owned and operated business, and extremely well ran. When I started there the owner and every manager and supervisor treated every employee like family. The owner would show up to the crew room in the morning and ask the guys things like how are your wife and kids? Did you ever get that pickup running? And it felt like the company really cared about you on a personal level. When I got hired my wife was pregnant with our second son, and when my supervisor found out he sat me down and told me if I got a call from my wife while I was at work that it was time or something was wrong or anything like that, I was to drop what I was doing and go home immediately, and if I was out at job site and didn’t have my own pickup call him and he would personally come get me and bring me home. For the first five years I was there we ALWAYS got annual raises, quarterly safety bonuses, good insurance, two weeks vacation, they always treated us well. The owner was a devout Christian, and if you got called in for an emergency on a Sunday he paid us double time. I thought I would retire from that company, I loved it. I worked hard, 12-16 hour days 5-6 days a week. Started at $14 an hour and within a year I was promoted to foreman making $25 an hour.

Then at the five year mark, the owner was ready to retire, sold the company for 32 million bucks to a corporation and all that went away. They started making pay cuts, took away vacation days and other benefits, worse insurance, anything they could to pad the bottom line. I worked there another two years, when they announced everyone was taking a 10% pay cut and losing a week of vacation I started looking elsewhere.

If a company wants loyalty they have to earn it. That one had mine when Everett owned it and they treated you like a person. They lost it when I became a number on a spreadsheet. I don’t owe any employer anything but an honest days work. Loyalty costs extra.

Money talks and BS walks. Some jobs are not worth the effort when you can do something easier and make the same money. In order to get people to do more undesirable tasks you need to pay more. Tons of jobs out there right now so many people are moving around finding something that pays better or is easier.

Around here if a man can’t find a job or even a job he likes. He ain’t looking, most of them want to complain about working 40hr a week. 168hrs in a week an they don’t like working 40hrs of it.
Too many handouts out there..... unemployment, food stamps, checks for kids. A unemployment check shouldn’t be a thing.

The chart that shows the average term of employment by age group. Amazed me not because of the rapid turnover of the very young, the less then a decade for those of us over 60. We thought 3-4 years was a new thing? People have been moving from job to job since people were first hired. I can easily see why the younger move rapidly, just think of the new job creations of today and the new opportunities that come every year. Many jobs a 25 year old may take in two years have not even been created yet. Our youth are learning that the way to become valuable is be willing to change. As to loyalty I agree with those that say loyalty is a two way street. A few decades ago a major employer in our area (over 5,000) used armed guards to walk 500-600 employees out of the buildings. They just had time to grab their personal items. These persons, many with over twenty years plus in management, tech, engineering came home and their children saw what took place and many vowed to never trust at those levels again when it comes to jobs and bosses.

Bryce

I agree with the loyalty part. I was loyal to a fault and got tired of being the guy to always bail someone else out. 27 years in at the same place. I called in sick 3 times in 27 years. The best attendance in the history of the place by a mile, there isn't a close second. I was the one that got called in the middle of the night or at 3pm on my day off to come in and cover because someone called in. The company and the upper management didn't care a bit. They expected I'd cover it all the time.
I worked the most overtime there and always covered for everyone else. Meanwhile I canceled a lot of vacation time and wound up using 50 to 60 hours of PTO a year on weeks that I only had 40 hours just so I wouldn't lose it. (we accrued PTO as we went). I'd just put in time in addition to what I worked. My wife and I talked this spring and both agreed I wouldn't be staying at a place that I had to work every Sat. night and Sunday this summer when I was supposed to be off. I did it last year and this year looked the same. I wound up leaving there.

I went to a different job because of a schedule I liked but wound up at a job that for the first time in my life I can say I hated. I worked there a month. I gave my notice at my 2 weeks. I have no regrets leaving the new job as I knew it wasn't going to change or get better. Turns out the new place has went through 20 people in 5 months for an average of 1 a week. I've been the only person to full fill a 2 week notice there. I talked to my supervisor several times in my last 2 weeks and she agreed with what I'm saying as far as improvements that need to be made but she told me they won't make any changes for at least 3 years. She kept asking me to stay another 2 weeks but I couldn't bring myself to go into a place that I absolutely couldn't stand.

I didn't quit my job broke and am looking right now.
Anyone who says it's all the employees is dead wrong. There are plenty of employees that won't show up or call in all the time but there's no shortage of crappy places to work.

Has anyone checked out the unemployment rate lately? Before complaining about the workforce you should know what employers are up against.

Also, I’ve never found work ethic to be correlated to where someone was raised. Turns out, kids raised in the city (Oh, the humanity!) can be very good workers and even outwork the farm boys/girls who weren’t raised well. I know, sacrilege on this site.

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I was raised in the city in a 2 bedroom apartment by a single mom that worked her tail off. Iv been working since I can remember. Why becuse I found out I enjoy having money and working and doing a good job is enjoyable.