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Wisconsin Supreme Court outlaws ballot drop boxes #7621969
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Wisconsin Supreme Court outlaws ballot drop boxes for elections.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/w...mp;cvid=205bd88c752d41caa41c98e15b13c395


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Re: Wisconsin Supreme Court outlaws ballot drop boxes [Re: Marty] #7621983
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I was at town hall yesterday and saw a notice on the payment drop box that it ballots had to be given tot he clerk in person.

I know the clerk we have talked a few times about how you could alter or effect the vote but also all the tests that they run above and beyond the requirement to make sure it isn't happening here.

ID gets checked here even though they know me when I step up to the poll workers

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Re: Wisconsin Supreme Court outlaws ballot drop boxes [Re: Marty] #7621992
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Great news for election integrity if it is enforced by the commie Attorney General.
Wisconsin Institute for Law and Liberty (WILL) press release:


Wisconsin Supreme Court Holds Absentee Ballot Drop Boxes Unlawful

WILL challenged WEC guidance in lawsuit filed in June 2021
The News: The Wisconsin Supreme Court held that absentee ballot drop boxes, used widely in the 2020 election, have no statutory authorization and Wisconsin Elections Commission (WEC) guidance encouraging their use was unlawful. The Wisconsin Institute for Law & Liberty (WILL) filed the lawsuit on behalf of two Wisconsin voters in June 2021 challenging the legal status of absentee ballot drop boxes after WEC issued guidance in 2020 contrary to state law.

The majority decision, authored by Justice Rebecca Bradley, said, “Only the legislature may permit absentee voting via ballot drop boxes. WEC cannot. Ballot drop boxes appear nowhere in the detailed statutory system for absentee voting. WEC's authorization of ballot drop boxes was unlawful…”

The Quote: WILL President and General Counsel, Rick Esenberg, said, “This decision provides substantial clarity on the legal status of absentee ballot drop boxes and ballot harvesting. While the question of whether an agent may mail an absentee ballot remains open, Wisconsin voters can have confidence that state law, not guidance from the Wisconsin Elections Commission, has the final word on how Wisconsin elections are conducted.”

Background: WILL filed a lawsuit on behalf of two Waukesha County voters in June 2021 challenging the legal status of absentee ballot drop boxes after WEC issued unlawful guidance to clerks, in 2020, encouraging the use of absentee ballot drop boxes, and telling voters that others can return their ballot for them.

This advice was contrary to state law. Voting is a constitutional right, but state law makes clear that, “voting by absentee ballot is a privilege exercised wholly outside the traditional safeguards of the polling place.” There are just two legal ways in Wisconsin to submit an absentee ballot. When voting by absentee ballot, state law says “[t]he envelope [containing the ballot] shall be mailed by the elector, or delivered in person, to the municipal clerk issuing the ballot or ballots.”

An October 2021 Legislative Audit Bureau (LAB) report on election administration confirmed there is no authorization for absentee ballot drop boxes in state law. And WILL's 2020 Election Review said, "the widespread adoption of absentee ballot drop boxes, encouraged by the Wisconsin Elections Commission (WEC), runs afoul of state law requirements for the collection of absentee ballots."

On January 13, Waukesha County Circuit Court Judge Michael Bohren issued a summary judgment decision that held that WEC’s guidance on absentee ballot drop boxes violates state law. Judge Bohren further stated the guidance should have been adopted through the rulemaking process in Chapter 227. Judge Bohren made clear that state law provides just two legal methods to cast an absentee ballot: through the mail or in-person at a clerk’s office.

Judge Bohren's decision was appealed to the Court of Appeals where a stay was issued on January 24. WILL filed an emergency motion to bypass and emergency petition to vacate a stay to the Wisconsin Supreme Court on January 26. The Wisconsin Supreme Court took the case and WILL President and General Counsel, Rick Esenberg, participated in oral arguments in April.

Re: Wisconsin Supreme Court outlaws ballot drop boxes [Re: Marty] #7622012
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So all the votes that came in in the 2020 election from a ballot drop box were illegal votes. WEC needs to be eliminated, they willfully violate the law which was pretty simple.

this makes it harder for democrats to get elected.

Re: Wisconsin Supreme Court outlaws ballot drop boxes [Re: Marty] #7622026
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Re: Wisconsin Supreme Court outlaws ballot drop boxes [Re: Marty] #7622041
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Drop boxes may have been illegal, but that was only the back end mechanism to get the ballots placed in the system. The real culprit identified for WI was the float of all the live ballots placed in US mail to be harvested, then marked up as desired.....then and only then.....placed in the drop boxes. They went door to door to get folks registered, then went door to door to get them to request a ballot in the mail, then went door to door to harvest all those ballots to be marked up as they saw fit.

It hasn't been that long ago that bars and liquor stores had to close on election day, so as to prevent a candidate from buying folks a drink in exchange for a vote. Compare that to a float of hundreds of thousands of ballots in the public domain, to be harvested and marked up with no oversight by any elections officials at all.

Bottom line is you simply cannot have a free, fair and honest election using mail in ballots.

Re: Wisconsin Supreme Court outlaws ballot drop boxes [Re: HayDay] #7622053
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Originally Posted by HayDay
Drop boxes may have been illegal, but that was only the back end mechanism to get the ballots placed in the system. The real culprit identified for WI was the float of all the live ballots placed in US mail to be harvested, then marked up as desired.....then and only then.....placed in the drop boxes. They went door to door to get folks registered, then went door to door to get them to request a ballot in the mail, then went door to door to harvest all those ballots to be marked up as they saw fit.

It hasn't been that long ago that bars and liquor stores had to close on election day, so as to prevent a candidate from buying folks a drink in exchange for a vote. Compare that to a float of hundreds of thousands of ballots in the public domain, to be harvested and marked up with no oversight by any elections officials at all.

Bottom line is you simply cannot have a free, fair and honest election using mail in ballots.


Bingo!

Zucker bucks at work. Half a BILLION dollars bought more than enough votes.

Re: Wisconsin Supreme Court outlaws ballot drop boxes [Re: Marty] #7622056
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But no, there was no widespread fraud.....my ....!

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Re: Wisconsin Supreme Court outlaws ballot drop boxes [Re: Marty] #7622070
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Our constitution says very clearly that the states legislature is the only power that can make election decisions. Courts have no say and will soon find out if they challenge it.

Re: Wisconsin Supreme Court outlaws ballot drop boxes [Re: yukonjeff] #7622074
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Originally Posted by yukonjeff
Our constitution says very clearly that the states legislature is the only power that can make election decisions. Courts have no say and will soon find out if they challenge it.


Our state constitution also says that, yet our democrat majority state supreme court changed the last receiving date for mail in ballots.

Here's the kicker! When it was challenged, guess who ruled on it???? Yep, the same people who changed the date.

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When I hear people say there wasn't fraud in that election, I just wanna rub their nose in the facts and then ask them. but they Know it happened, it's just that they're ok with it because it got rid of Trump.

Re: Wisconsin Supreme Court outlaws ballot drop boxes [Re: Marty] #7622115
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Or a Sec of State and Gov who sign a deal to change the rules so a fat lady will quit calling them ugly names.


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Re: Wisconsin Supreme Court outlaws ballot drop boxes [Re: hippie] #7622141
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Originally Posted by hippie
Originally Posted by yukonjeff
Our constitution says very clearly that the states legislature is the only power that can make election decisions. Courts have no say and will soon find out if they challenge it.


Our state constitution also says that, yet our democrat majority state supreme court changed the last receiving date for mail in ballots.

Here's the kicker! When it was challenged, guess who ruled on it???? Yep, the same people who changed the date.



They need to get it to the supreme court. There is a case just like this that they have taken up. We might see results after that.




Re: Wisconsin Supreme Court outlaws ballot drop boxes [Re: Marty] #7622146
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So if the law was violated isnt someone in the process guilty of a crime? They dont hesitate to come after us regular people for just about anything.


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Re: Wisconsin Supreme Court outlaws ballot drop boxes [Re: HayDay] #7622176
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Originally Posted by HayDay
Drop boxes may have been illegal, but that was only the back end mechanism to get the ballots placed in the system. The real culprit identified for WI was the float of all the live ballots placed in US mail to be harvested, then marked up as desired.....then and only then.....placed in the drop boxes. They went door to door to get folks registered, then went door to door to get them to request a ballot in the mail, then went door to door to harvest all those ballots to be marked up as they saw fit.

It hasn't been that long ago that bars and liquor stores had to close on election day, so as to prevent a candidate from buying folks a drink in exchange for a vote. Compare that to a float of hundreds of thousands of ballots in the public domain, to be harvested and marked up with no oversight by any elections officials at all.

Bottom line is you simply cannot have a free, fair and honest election using mail in ballots.


There are legit reasons for allowing absentee balloting by mail.
1) The voter is unavailable to be present on voting day at their designated polling place.
2) When personal appearance at their polling place results in an undue hardship on the voter; ie, in the case of ADA challenged individuals.

But that is not to say that the use of absentee ballots can't or hasn't been abused as seen in recent past elections were able-bodied voters used the option outside of the indented purposes.


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Re: Wisconsin Supreme Court outlaws ballot drop boxes [Re: Marty] #7622180
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Absentee ballots and mail in voting is not the same thing.

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Originally Posted by Scott__aR
Originally Posted by HayDay
Drop boxes may have been illegal, but that was only the back end mechanism to get the ballots placed in the system. The real culprit identified for WI was the float of all the live ballots placed in US mail to be harvested, then marked up as desired.....then and only then.....placed in the drop boxes. They went door to door to get folks registered, then went door to door to get them to request a ballot in the mail, then went door to door to harvest all those ballots to be marked up as they saw fit.

It hasn't been that long ago that bars and liquor stores had to close on election day, so as to prevent a candidate from buying folks a drink in exchange for a vote. Compare that to a float of hundreds of thousands of ballots in the public domain, to be harvested and marked up with no oversight by any elections officials at all.

Bottom line is you simply cannot have a free, fair and honest election using mail in ballots.


There are legit reasons for allowing absentee balloting by mail.
1) The voter is unavailable to be present on voting day at their designated polling place.
2) When personal appearance at their polling place results in an undue hardship on the voter; ie, in the case of ADA challenged individuals.

But that is not to say that the use of absentee ballots can't or hasn't been abused as seen in recent past elections were able-bodied voters used the option outside of the indented purposes.




As said absentee and broadcast no excuse mail in are two different creatures.

Absentee in the cases you describe should by all means be accommodated with all due diligence that the cause is legitimate and the individual ballot is safe and secure in it's authenticity.


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The point about putting live ballots in the mail is you lose chain of custody. Assumption is voter gets ballot, marks it up, returns it.......all fair and legit. Not always so.

Years ago, I used to work with student housing group at local University..........pretty sure that if I wanted to..........under vote by mail rules, I could have requested over 100 ballots be sent to that address.....I could snag em, vote em, return em. The actual kids who used to live there would not even know. They were long gone, yet still registered to vote. I would have known that as County Clerk always mails out a voter ID and sample ballot to anyone who is registered to vote. All I'd have to do is snag those from the mail room and save em up for when election season rolls around. Illegal? Of course it is but big whoop. Who but me would know?

If you follow the Rigged story by Mollie Hemingway, and 2000 mules, they found all kinds of folks in nursing homes that voted........folks that don't even know who they are, let alone be competent to vote.

All made possible by placing a live ballot in US mail. Nobody has a clue who really marked it up and voted it.

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As for absentee voting, early voting, etc, no problem with that as long as the person who is voting is forced to present themselves, produce a photo ID to prove they are who they say they are, and then proceed to a voting booth to mark up the ballot and drop it in a secure box in an established voting area. 100 kids who don't live there anymore have a hard time doing that. At least a lot harder time doing it than I would in the back room all by myself.

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