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Muskets, AR's, Founders and the 2A #7622486
07/09/22 12:34 AM
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you can vote your way into socialism, but you will have to shoot your way out.
Re: Muskets, AR's, Founders and the 2A [Re: drasselt] #7622490
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It might be as simple as unhappiness. Happy people don’t kill each other.

Re: Muskets, AR's, Founders and the 2A [Re: drasselt] #7622621
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They want to argue that the founders didn't have the same tech back then as we do now and that we need to adjust the bill of rights to account for that difference. The main mouth piece for them and their insanity is the media.
Now, if the founders did not have the same tech, and they want to change things, it is only fair that since our firearms were not covered by their estimation, that neither is the current media protected by freedom of the press because the founders didn't have TV and could never have imagined it. Also, they lose their freedom of internet and all other forms except for the printed page which is what the founders had.

These idiots had better be careful what they ask for as we are the last line of defense before the government takes their right away as well.

Re: Muskets, AR's, Founders and the 2A [Re: drasselt] #7622623
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I think Illinois governor might be as stupid as Sniffy and V.P. Commie Harris.
Why are today's democrats all complete morons?

Re: Muskets, AR's, Founders and the 2A [Re: drasselt] #7622624
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Re: Muskets, AR's, Founders and the 2A [Re: drasselt] #7622644
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If they're going to exercise their right to speak freely about gun rights, they should be limited to doing so with movable type and ink - just like it was done when the bill of rights was written.


-Ryan
Re: Muskets, AR's, Founders and the 2A [Re: Mark K] #7622646
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Originally Posted by Mark K
They want to argue that the founders didn't have the same tech back then as we do now and that we need to adjust the bill of rights to account for that difference. The main mouth piece for them and their insanity is the media.
Now, if the founders did not have the same tech, and they want to change things, it is only fair that since our firearms were not covered by their estimation, that neither is the current media protected by freedom of the press because the founders didn't have TV and could never have imagined it. Also, they lose their freedom of internet and all other forms except for the printed page which is what the founders had.

These idiots had better be careful what they ask for as we are the last line of defense before the government takes their right away as well.


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Re: Muskets, AR's, Founders and the 2A [Re: drasselt] #7622715
07/09/22 11:27 AM
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Long article but informative. The end of it said a mouthful.

There are things you can do to protect yourself against early death, and then too there might be something you can do to help protect everyone against the sort of mass-shooting gun violence that scares Americans most: stay vigilant.

The Highland Park mass shooter gave plenty of warning of his inclination toward violence as did the most recent, similar shooters before him. But as Scott Sweetow, a former FBI investigator told CBS News, “no matter how good the law is, and how much money the federal government pumps into it, if people will not pick up the phone or get on a keyboard and tell law enforcement about what they saw, the red flags are largely useless.”

One might suggest that what it takes to end mass shootings is a community of people who care enough about each other to say something to authorities when it appears someone is going off the deep end.

The latest shooter gave plenty of indications of what was to come both online and off, but no one seems to have taken them seriously.


Some individuals use statistics as a drunk man uses lamp-posts — for support rather than for illumination.

Andrew Lang (1844-1912) Scottish poet, novelist and literary critic









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Re: Muskets, AR's, Founders and the 2A [Re: Drifter] #7622720
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Originally Posted by Drifter
Long article but informative. The end of it said a mouthful.

There are things you can do to protect yourself against early death, and then too there might be something you can do to help protect everyone against the sort of mass-shooting gun violence that scares Americans most: stay vigilant.

The Highland Park mass shooter gave plenty of warning of his inclination toward violence as did the most recent, similar shooters before him. But as Scott Sweetow, a former FBI investigator told CBS News, “no matter how good the law is, and how much money the federal government pumps into it, if people will not pick up the phone or get on a keyboard and tell law enforcement about what they saw, the red flags are largely useless.”

One might suggest that what it takes to end mass shootings is a community of people who care enough about each other to say something to authorities when it appears someone is going off the deep end.

The latest shooter gave plenty of indications of what was to come both online and off, but no one seems to have taken them seriously.


All the school shooters gave plenty of warnings. The most prolific and worst shooting we had, the one in Vegas, would've been hard for someone to have had flagged.

Re: Muskets, AR's, Founders and the 2A [Re: drasselt] #7622739
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The point to the article is that the homicide rate, with their muskets was much much greater at the founding than it is today:

Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker declared “Our founders carried muskets, not assault weapons, and I don’t think a single one of them would have said that you have a constitutional right to an assault weapon with a high-capacity magazine or that that is more important than the right of the people who attended this parade today to live.”

He apparently has never studied American history. The musket was the assault weapon of its day,

the state of the nation when those “founders” were writing the Constitution.

homicide rates were extremely high from the mid-1760s through the War of 1812,” according to Randolph Roth, a history professor documenting American homicides.

“Rates of 25 to 30 per 100,000 per year were common for white adults in areas where county governments had been established. In the backcountry, rates
probably reached 200 or more per 100,000,” he wrote in “American Homicide” in 2009.

the musket, the knife, the hatchet, the hanging rope, and later the “six-shooter’‘ and repeating rifle, especially the six-shooter and repeating rifle, were far more dangerous than the semi-automatic rifle of today.

“But the region was staggeringly violent. Homicide rates rose in the late 1840s and early 1850s to the highest levels in the United States – probably 250 per 100,000 adults per year or more….
at a minimum from 140 per 100,000 adults per year in Colorado and 250 per 100,000 in New Mexico and in south and west Texas to 600 per 100,000 in Arizona.”

The U.S. homicide rate is now 7.5 per 100,000 .

how lucky we are to live in these times, and how likely it is that those “founders” drafting the Second Amendment to the Constitution were thinking about the average citizen’s need for a firearm or firearms to protect himself and his family.


you can vote your way into socialism, but you will have to shoot your way out.
Re: Muskets, AR's, Founders and the 2A [Re: drasselt] #7622744
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One issue I have with all these "red flag" deals is that the folks most in the position to make the call, those closest to the potential perp, are failing in their supposed concern. Namely the families and loved ones. Leaving the burden upon disinterested third parties.

This has created quite a quandary. Should we go to a system where total strangers are tagging each other for forced state intervention? Or should we be penalizing family units for producing monsters?

I favor the latter.


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Re: Muskets, AR's, Founders and the 2A [Re: drasselt] #7622898
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Why is it that nobody has called for banning 13-21 year old males? They are almost exclusively the Perps in the school shootings. If they did pass "assault "weapons bans, could they exempt all females?

Re: Muskets, AR's, Founders and the 2A [Re: warrior] #7623252
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Originally Posted by warrior
One issue I have with all these "red flag" deals is that the folks most in the position to make the call, those closest to the potential perp, are failing in their supposed concern. Namely the families and loved ones. Leaving the burden upon disinterested third parties.

This has created quite a quandary. Should we go to a system where total strangers are tagging each other for forced state intervention? Or should we be penalizing family units for producing monsters?

I favor the latter.


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Re: Muskets, AR's, Founders and the 2A [Re: drasselt] #7623271
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I have made a lot of wood/fiberglass epoxy boats. All have been made using marine grade fir plywood. For the floor I would pre-treat both sides of plywood before installation with epoxy resin thinned with a little acetone. Make sure all edges and mounting holes are treat with same mix. Install your plywood, fill all holes or indentations with epoxy resin/ fiberglass beads sand flush, then get some light weight fiberglass cloth and cover the whole area with it and put one coat of epoxy resin over the area screws and all. Then apply a final coat of of Bed-liner material with a little ground walnut shell mixed in. I would mask side of hull and run a band of bedliner at least 3 inches wide up the side. I finish duck boats floors this way and they have held up very well for many years. I apply the Bed-liner with a roller. Pm me if you want more info. Be sure to get the "non-blush" epoxy resin and you won't need to sand between coats. Also do not use the normal poly resin it will not hold up in your application. I use a bed- liner material I get off web and it comes in colors. Google is your friend on getting these supplies, prices vary widely. I have found the inexpensive epoxy resins to work just as well as the high cost stuff. If you are going to do all that work I would,t skimp on materials, and at minimum use mdo ply. If you have support 1/4 inch could be enough. Also wait until it warms up a bit or do in heated area it speed everything up, epoxy doesn't like cold.

Re: Muskets, AR's, Founders and the 2A [Re: drasselt] #7623272
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I have made a lot of wood/fiberglass epoxy boats. All have been made using marine grade fir plywood. For the floor I would pre-treat both sides of plywood before installation with epoxy resin thinned with a little acetone. Make sure all edges and mounting holes are treat with same mix. Install your plywood, fill all holes or indentations with epoxy resin/ fiberglass beads sand flush, then get some light weight fiberglass cloth and cover the whole area with it and put one coat of epoxy resin over the area screws and all. Then apply a final coat of of Bed-liner material with a little ground walnut shell mixed in. I would mask side of hull and run a band of bedliner at least 3 inches wide up the side. I finish duck boats floors this way and they have held up very well for many years. I apply the Bed-liner with a roller. Pm me if you want more info. Be sure to get the "non-blush" epoxy resin and you won't need to sand between coats. Also do not use the normal poly resin it will not hold up in your application. I use a bed- liner material I get off web and it comes in colors. Google is your friend on getting these supplies, prices vary widely. I have found the inexpensive epoxy resins to work just as well as the high cost stuff. If you are going to do all that work I would,t skimp on materials, and at minimum use mdo ply. If you have support 1/4 inch could be enough. Also wait until it warms up a bit or do in heated area it speed everything up, epoxy doesn't like cold.

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