another 400 million.....
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WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. will send another $400 million in military equipment to Ukraine, including four more advanced rocket systems, a senior defense official said Friday, in an effort to bolster Ukrainian efforts to strike deeper behind Russian frontlines in the eastern Donbas region.
It seems to be the russian claims that they destroyed the advanced rocket systems the US gave uke may be true after all...
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Re: another 400 million.....
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Dang old fool will get us into a shooting war with putin yet! We gotta get rid of him pronto!
How is the pup, Marty? Hope your doing well! paddy the pup is doing great....he lead the way on a mile trail hike today. I am hot but good or is that good & hot? Hope things are well at your place.
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Re: another 400 million.....
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Dang old fool will get us into a shooting war with putin yet! We gotta get rid of him pronto!
How is the pup, Marty? Hope your doing well! paddy the pup is doing great....he lead the way on a mile trail hike today. I am hot but good or is that good & hot? Hope things are well at your place. Yep bud, things are good here. I hear you on the hot. Will suck till the first part of Sep now. Yuck! Have a good one. Lee
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Re: another 400 million.....
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Why don't we just go ahead and send a couple billion in cruise missels to Russia and Russian troops in Ukraine and get this over with. Aren't you afraid of retaliation before your missiles reach Russia?
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Re: another 400 million.....
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Re: another 400 million.....
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I feel that Russia will win, much bigger country and many more people to waste.......jk
Free people are not equal. Equal people are not free. What's supposed to be ain't always is. Hopper Hunter
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Re: another 400 million.....
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Why don't we just go ahead and send a couple billion in cruise missels to Russia and Russian troops in Ukraine and get this over with. Aren't you afraid of retaliation before your missiles reach Russia? Do Russian missiles fly like the Russian tanks roll?
you're only allowed so many sunrises... I aim to see every one of them!
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Re: another 400 million.....
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I have always had mixed feelings on the "world's police" thing. On the one hand, I don't want it to be our job. On the other hand, somebody is going to be in charge and I'd rather it was us than somebody else.
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Re: another 400 million.....
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Marty- Are you keeping track of the total, either promised or delivered, in war supplies to the Ukies from the U.S., I think its pushing towards 60 billion already. More western "wonder weapons" isn't going to turn the tide for the UAF but it does two things, 1) it makes more money for the U.S. MIC to replace those weapons for the U.S. military, and 2) it helps prop up the DC swamp that they're doing something important and maybe takes away attention for their other failures at home. I've heard that at least 2 HIMARS sent by the U.S. have been destroyed in combat and another one "sold". Most people don't realize that we're not sending batteries (typically 6 units per battery) of HIMARS to the UAF but individual pieces (1 tracked unit with its rockets), maybe a total of 12 so far. So, if the above is true, the UAF is already down 25% of the units they have been given. Up against many dozens if not hundreds of Rus big guns. It's not really going to matter. "Alternative" analysis of losses to the both warring sides is estimating that the UAF has at least lost (killed, seriously wounded, captured) 50% of its pre-war professional army of 200,000. Many reports out there that Ukrainian basic training is down to just a few weeks for their infantry before they are being sent off to the front lines. What the Donbas meat grinder has done since May has not only eliminated many UAF soldiers as effective fighters but also a continued loss of their heavier weapons, especially artillery (both gun and rocket) to counter the Rus stand-off weapons of their heavy artillery. The give away of the U.S. M777 light weight 155mm cannon to the UAF has not "turned the tide". The reality is that these pieces, not only be towed (vulnerable to counter-battery fire in the "take-down" phase of use), but are not overly "tough" in constant use; hydraulic cylinders breaking fairly regularly, critical parts of their titanium construction failing, etc. There are very few operating UAF apcs and tanks now in the Donbas, Ukie soliders are often moved to or from the front in civilian vehicles. The losses of UAF motorized equipment is extensive. As for "Rus" losses (Russian Federation, DPR, LPR), they are only given by the Ukrainian government or DC/establishment think thanks such as the Jack Keane's "Institute of War" but probably approaching 50,000, especially given the tactics used by the Rus since May in the Donbas of many days of artillery softening of UAF positions before more close in fighting occurs. The DPR government gave Jan through June 2022 military losses of 11,000, which actually is probably fairly substantial for their much smaller "army". If the overall "Rus" losses are 50,000, that's still a 2:1 loss ratio of UAF to Rus and as someone mentioned earlier, Russia has a much larger population to supply men than Ukraine. The loss of Lugansk province (the "LPR" to the separatists) to the Kiev government resulted in the shortening of the front lines there from 78 miles to just 15 by last weekend (see maps below). The number of men needed by the Rus to hold the new lines is much less, so numerous BTG have been withdrawn there. Where will they show up after rest and refill/resupply? The UAF has two defensive lines left in northern Donesk province, the one further west is rested on 4 cities that are almost continuous to each other north to south. Behind them is much more open, non-forested and less hilly land all the way to the Dnieper River. That is ground much more favorable to mobile warfare. North of Donetsk city (million+ people and "capital" to the "DPR") is a substantial UAF dug in area that the Ukies have held and fortified since end of 2014. If that tough nut is cracked, the Rus may be able to do a large scale end run behind the 2nd UAF defensive line of the 4 cities mentioned above. That would result in a much larger "cauldron" of encirclement than have happened so far. That would be a major test if the UAF could remain viable east of the southern Dnieper River responding to such an offensive. Or perhaps the Rus will keep the meat grinder going as they have for the past 2 1/2 months and eat up the UAF and steadily gain territory. Its been pretty quiet on the fronts for the past few days. We'll see what next week brings...
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Re: another 400 million.....
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Dont worry KOSOI,lots here on this site are on your side,and against their own.
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Re: another 400 million.....
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No. I am not afraid. you Americans should be afraid. after this war you are now waging against russia, you will be the (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman). the whole world will turn its back on you. We can't control our leadership any more then you can, We can't believe our news media any more then you can We didn't dig the hole your in You did We didn't cause your border countries to turn to nato You did and i'm saying YOU cause you seem to believe its T-man members sending aid to the Ukraine
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Re: another 400 million.....
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We're waging war against Russia? And who supplies weapons to Ukraine ????? Not me. Boco?
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