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Re: Does anyone in state government actually work? [Re: warrior] #7626528
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Not returning calls has nothing to do with being a govt agency. Have had that with multiple private contractors almost everyday. I always think - “I am calling to use your services and PAY YOU MONEY - and you wont return my call?”

Re: Does anyone in state government actually work? [Re: warrior] #7626532
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I think alot of state workers couldn't cut it in the private sector , it's much easier to go through the motions with no pressure for productivity ........ endless tax payer money , no consequences for lack luster performance or failure to meet deadlines or budgets .

Endless holiday pay , personal time off , vacation ..... forever retirement ....


Just think how fast we'd go down the crapper if we were all government workers ..... Lol


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Re: Does anyone in state government actually work? [Re: warrior] #7626535
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Warrior, honestly, if ya got deadbeat politicians and can't get a result, your lazy. Social media is a game changer and trust me I know that calling them out with the facts on SM is huge. Call them out in any way you can and I guarantee they'll start responding. Votes lost or gained is what brings them out from the shadows. Hold them accountable!


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
Re: Does anyone in state government actually work? [Re: WhiteCliffs] #7626537
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Originally Posted by WhiteCliffs
Not returning calls has nothing to do with being a govt agency. Have had that with multiple private contractors almost everyday. I always think - “I am calling to use your services and PAY YOU MONEY - and you wont return my call?”


Being a sole proprietor I go hungry if my phone doesn't ring or get answered. I kind of take it for granted others feel the same.


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Re: Does anyone in state government actually work? [Re: WhiteCliffs] #7626538
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Originally Posted by WhiteCliffs
Not returning calls has nothing to do with being a govt agency. Have had that with multiple private contractors almost everyday. I always think - “I am calling to use your services and PAY YOU MONEY - and you wont return my call?”

Just went through this with a retaining wall contractor. 7 weeks and no communication. Emails, phone calls, etc.

He called me within 30 minutes of sending the email notifying that his PO had been cancelled


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Re: Does anyone in state government actually work? [Re: Catch22] #7626539
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Originally Posted by Catch22
Warrior, honestly, if ya got deadbeat politicians and can't get a result, your lazy. Social media is a game changer and trust me I know that calling them out with the facts on SM is huge. Call them out in any way you can and I guarantee they'll start responding. Votes lost or gained is what brings them out from the shadows. Hold them accountable!


Yeah, that's true but I was raised to never ever make a fuss in public. Mama would let you know right quick like to hush up rather than air dirty laundry.

I guess I need to get over that.


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Re: Does anyone in state government actually work? [Re: hippie] #7626565
07/14/22 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by hippie
Originally Posted by Lugnut
It's true in Pennsylvania.


If you figure in the bennies state workers get, including very early retirement, I wouldn't bet on it.


That might be true, state workers get decent benefits in some professions. I was just talking salaries. I know guys that work on PennDOT's road crews and have friends that do road maintenance for private companies. The private companies pay way better, I don't know about their benefits.


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Re: Does anyone in state government actually work? [Re: warrior] #7626579
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Re: Does anyone in state government actually work? [Re: warrior] #7626597
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I worked for the Fed’s for years. I live in a rural area. Try getting a plumber, carpenter, electrician, etc - to come do something during our deer season. When I was working on our deer camp - I needed some plumbing work. Called seven different plumbers. Two that said they would quote never called back and never came. One came and never called back. One that came - first thing he said was “I dont do any work in crawl spaces”. The other three quoted - $1800 for low bid - $7600 for high bid. Other bid was $2400. Was going with $2400 contractor. After three months of excuses, I moved on to $1800 contractor. Did a great job.

Now, if those had been my Fed plumber - they would have been doing the work the next week. No picking and choosing what job to do. Cold, hot, windy - no matter - to to work. Break down in Campground at midnight - working on it by 2 am. No comparison between my govt workers and local contractors. None of my employees ever got to take off all of deer season.

Retired from Feds and run my own business. Arrange for custom hardware, zinc die casting, plastic injection molding, powder coating, assembly, etc. I would say about one out of five private contractors are good. One out of five are OK. Three out of five are sorry. My govt workers were far better than the average private worker - in my area.

Re: Does anyone in state government actually work? [Re: AntiGov] #7626607
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Originally Posted by AntiGov



I think alot of state workers couldn't cut it in the private sector , it's much easier to go through the motions with no pressure for productivity ........ endless tax payer money , no consequences for lack luster performance or failure to meet deadlines or budgets .

Endless holiday pay , personal time off , vacation ..... forever retirement ....


Just think how fast we'd go down the crapper if we were all government workers ..... Lol


I was a crew leader in the oilfield for ten years. I think it’s safe to say I could make it in the private sector. When I got laid off I swore I’d never go back, and got a state job. The pay is terrible but the benefits are good and I actually get to see my kids sometimes. And my body doesn’t feel like i got hit by a truck all the time, nice bonus.

The reason state workers are generally not the greatest is because the state doesn’t pay jack, so they have a hard time recruiting help that’s worth the air they breath. I’m here for the good hours and retirement.


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Re: Does anyone in state government actually work? [Re: WhiteCliffs] #7626613
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Originally Posted by WhiteCliffs
Not returning calls has nothing to do with being a govt agency. Have had that with multiple private contractors almost everyday. I always think - “I am calling to use your services and PAY YOU MONEY - and you wont return my call?”


When a private company fails to show up or call you back you can call a different company, you're forced to deal with the govt with zero other options.

Re: Does anyone in state government actually work? [Re: Donnersurvivor] #7626616
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The link below may explain to some extent why calls are not returned quickly or response times have increased.
https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2022/payroll-employment-up-by-372000-in-june-2022-down-by-524000-since-february-2020.htm#:~:text=Private-sector%20employment%20has%20recovered%20the%20net%20job%20losses,hospitality%2C%20and%20health%20care.%20Chart%20Image%20Chart%20Data
Don't know if the link works but the private sector employment is now about 372K more than pre COVID. The government employment is still about 664K below the pre COVID level It did not state which areas federal, state, local or if military was included but that is a large loss of workers. If these losses were similar as done in the past then mid and upper level managers worked to protect their positions so many front line workers have less security and now the private sector is very attractive for low compensated government workers.
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Re: Does anyone in state government actually work? [Re: Marty] #7626620
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Originally Posted by Marty
Originally Posted by DelawareRob


Don't forget that the 4 private crew members are also making twice as much money as the 8 state/city/federal folks put together.


that is not true at all....



As a state worker my job is to operate a crane, loader, forklift, paint striper, bucket truck, drive ten wheel dump trucks, fix road signs, do electrical work on streetlights, set up emergency traffic control and cleanup for major accidents, and operate a snowplow. How much do you think the state pays for that kind of work?


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Re: Does anyone in state government actually work? [Re: warrior] #7626634
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Hippie, the only state workers here that get “very early retirement” as a whole is corrections and state patrol and they can retire/are forced to at 55 due to physical job requirements etc. Full retirement age with the state is 66, if you call that early…..we’ll I guess I’m wrong. My mom worked in the private and retired nicely at 60 then had a busy and short retirement as she passed away at 68. She spent more time working with 4-H some weeks than she spent at work previously. So I do think keeping busy in retirement is important. I just don’t think a person should be forced to work too long as life is short enough as is. That said, I know guys 80 years old still driving dump truck 60 hrs/wk in the summer and they want to do nothing else so more power to them!

And I do work for the state and feel I definitely earn the state what I’m paid and more, but the same can’t be said for some others I will admit. Happy trapping! ScottW

Re: Does anyone in state government actually work? [Re: Turtledale] #7626640
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I can tell you first hand that private sector employees make more than state employees at least here in Pa.

Re: Does anyone in state government actually work? [Re: Snyderbwh] #7626690
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Originally Posted by Snyderbwh
I can tell you first hand that private sector employees make more than state employees at least here in Pa.


I would bet it is the same in all the states.

Re: Does anyone in state government actually work? [Re: warrior] #7626801
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Originally Posted by Bob

As a state worker my job is to operate a crane, loader, forklift, paint striper, bucket truck, drive ten wheel dump trucks, fix road signs, do electrical work on streetlights, set up emergency traffic control and cleanup for major accidents, and operate a snowplow. How much do you think the state pays for that kind of work?



thats a pretty wide job description but around here the govt pay would likely fall in the $23-26/hr range as my best guestimate. i know of similar private sector jobs at $35 starting. been alot of "stealing" of workers between places in last couple of years in that general road maintenance/construction line of work especially with free covid money so pay rates in private sector have spiked locally

Re: Does anyone in state government actually work? [Re: warrior] #7626835
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True the pay rate for local government workers is about 26.00 an hour, County is around 22.00 an hour & state is around 22.00 also, I think it's benefits that attract most workers, I was out of work since May of 2021 with an motorcycle injury, I put my retirement in this past April, Over a year and they still have my job posted & no applications submitted. Since that covid B/S started in 2020, seems nobody is interested in working whether it be Town, County or state jobs.


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Re: Does anyone in state government actually work? [Re: warrior] #7626850
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My dad always tells the story of one of his buddies working for the state. They were both machinists and the fellow had moved on. My father asked him what he did and he responded, “as little as possible!” In Pa.

Re: Does anyone in state government actually work? [Re: warrior] #7626853
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Sounding like some folks might need a wambulance they got too work so hard.

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