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What's wrong with this fox ? #7627119
07/15/22 09:51 AM
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Picked up another red fox going after my chickens. I did this guy a favor, I doubt he'd have made it much longer. I could feel every bone under the skin. I've seen mange, but not with these crusty bumps on the face and head, he could barely open his eyes. Don't think he is from this years litter, but about the size of a house cat. Any ideas what's going on with this guy ? I wore rubber gloves and buried him far from the house. Almost felt sorry for him, almost.

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Re: What's wrong with this fox ? [Re: kyron4] #7627122
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Don’t know what it has but you should have the weeblie jeeblies.


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Re: What's wrong with this fox ? [Re: kyron4] #7627125
07/15/22 09:56 AM
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That would have gotten put on a burn pile. No idea what it's problem was but hope someone cam shed some light on it.

Re: What's wrong with this fox ? [Re: kyron4] #7627126
07/15/22 09:57 AM
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That's advanced mange.


Eh...wot?

Re: What's wrong with this fox ? [Re: kyron4] #7627133
07/15/22 10:06 AM
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Although I have never seen mange look exactly like that I think that is what it is .I grew up on a farm .We butchered our own beef, hogs and chickens .I do not remember a time that I was not around animal intestines blood etc It never bothered me to deal with it as far as my stomach .But an animal with the mange makes me want to throw up Trappers are blamed for cruelty all the time .In my opinion nothing is a cruel as Mother Nature inflicting mange on foxes etc

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Re: What's wrong with this fox ? [Re: kyron4] #7627179
07/15/22 11:23 AM
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Burn it before something else catches whatever it has.

Re: What's wrong with this fox ? [Re: Lugnut] #7627189
07/15/22 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Lugnut
That's advanced mange.

X2

The funny looking 'bumps' on it's face and ears are scabs from excessive scratching. Mange has got to be very uncomfortable to the point were the animal scratches till the skin is raw and bleeding.

Does not sound like fun.


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Re: What's wrong with this fox ? [Re: Cragar] #7627199
07/15/22 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Cragar
Originally Posted by Lugnut
That's advanced mange.

X2


X3


Re: What's wrong with this fox ? [Re: kyron4] #7627207
07/15/22 11:39 AM
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Dang that's bad looking. I've never seen it exactly like that, but have seen some sorry looking fox from it.

Re: What's wrong with this fox ? [Re: hippie] #7627220
07/15/22 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by hippie
Dang that's bad looking. I've never seen it exactly like that, but have seen some sorry looking fox from it.

It gets worse .......

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Re: What's wrong with this fox ? [Re: kyron4] #7627225
07/15/22 11:57 AM
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Here is a good explanation of the "crusty" appearance from the UK Wildlife Online Site

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Summary: There are several different forms of mange, each caused by a different species of mite, but sarcoptic mange most commonly affects foxes. Sarcoptic mange is a skin disease caused by the small (2 to 4 mm, or less than one-quarter of an inch) parasitic mite Sarcoptes scabiei, several thousand of which may burrow into a single square-centimetre of skin. Female mites burrow into the skin where they may live for up to a month. As the mite burrows, tissue fluids and debris are deposited on the surface of the fox’s skin forming an intensely itchy crust that causes the fox to scratch frequently. Scratching causes hair-loss and small cuts, which can then become infected. Conjunctivitis is also apparent in severe cases, giving the fox a 'crusty-faced' appearance, as are changes in behaviour; the infected fox becomes less and less active. Weight loss and organ damage are often evident and, if left untreated, death typically follows in four to six months. Mange can have a profound influence as it sweeps through a fox population and an outbreak in 1994 succeeded in wiping out 95% of Bristol's fox population in only two years.

Work in Switzerland suggests mange exists in three types or stages: A) early stage infection with a few lesions, thin crusts, mild hairloss; B) widespread skin lesions, thick crusts, widespread hairloss, strong smell and emaciation; C) some minor lesions, no crusts, severe hairloss, darkening of skin (hyperpigmentation). Type/stage B is typically fatal, while stage C appears to indicate low-level infection or recovery.


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Re: What's wrong with this fox ? [Re: kyron4] #7627234
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Also, mange mites are specie-specific, humans cannot develop mange from red fox mites. I have skinned many red fox with early mange, it usually starts on the tail and hind legs around here. Mange in humans is called scabies and it caused by a different type of sarcoptic mange mite specific to humans.

Once it advances beyond the tails and lower/back of the hind legs they get tossed by me.


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Re: What's wrong with this fox ? [Re: kyron4] #7627237
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Sarcoptic mange. I feel sorry for the fox. Burial was the best option to prevent it's spread.

Re: What's wrong with this fox ? [Re: kyron4] #7627251
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Why is burying better than burning? Just curious. Thanks


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Re: What's wrong with this fox ? [Re: wissmiss] #7627332
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Originally Posted by wissmiss
Why is burying better than burning? Just curious. Thanks


Cause burning it makes you hungry.


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Re: What's wrong with this fox ? [Re: wissmiss] #7627368
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Originally Posted by wissmiss
Why is burying better than burning? Just curious. Thanks


I do neither, it's a waste of time. The mites will not survive long on a dead host, especially in the winter which is when I'm trapping them.

I guess if I was catching them during warm weather I might go to the trouble of burying them but even then I think the risk of another fox catching mange from the one I just killed is very low.


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Re: What's wrong with this fox ? [Re: kyron4] #7627370
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We had a mangy fox here a few years ago that lived on Hwy 60 between Faribault and Kenyon. I always saw it on the side of the road eating road kill. One day it was in a spot where it could not take off into the woods as it was on the side of the road along a huge plowed corn field. I passed it and pulled over up the road a bit and grabbed my pistol and went after it. It ran out into the field and I was able to catch up to it. I blasted it at a full sprint. It rolled and I give it one in the head to make sure it was out of its misery. Then I kicked dirt over it and headed back to the truck. Just as I was getting in the truck, the farmer pulled into his driveway, gave me a funny look and kept going.

Re: What's wrong with this fox ? [Re: kyron4] #7627686
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I caught one with that so bad that I couldn't ID what the animal was until I saw a patch of red hair 3/16' wide by 2" long on its back between the shoulder blades. I caught that hairless puss ball in mid March. How it made it through the winter I'll never know.
I can't even imagine anything that a human could intentionally do to an animal that would be worse than what Mother Nature did to this fox.

Re: What's wrong with this fox ? [Re: kyron4] #7627899
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Burn pile ASAP


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Re: What's wrong with this fox ? [Re: kyron4] #7627913
07/16/22 09:57 AM
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killed a coyote once, a young one, no hair at all, I could only identify it because it had to thick of teeth for a fox.

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