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Re: Thoughts on Bison and Cattle Hybrid? [Re: Pike River] #7631797
07/21/22 01:29 PM
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Aint that a beefalo?


IF IDIOTS GREW ON TREES THIS PLACE WOULD BE AN ORCHARD !

Re: Thoughts on Bison and Cattle Hybrid? [Re: Pike River] #7631801
07/21/22 01:40 PM
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I believe so, Cathryn.

The hybrid meat I've tried, I don't care for it. I like the Black and Gus sweet marbled meat.

Re: Thoughts on Bison and Cattle Hybrid? [Re: Pike River] #7631949
07/21/22 06:23 PM
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beefalo was being sold in the 70's. it was pricey and i dont really like it. regular buffalo or grain fed beef for me


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Re: Thoughts on Bison and Cattle Hybrid? [Re: danny clifton] #7632003
07/21/22 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
beefalo was being sold in the 70's. it was pricey and i dont really like it. regular buffalo or grain fed beef for me

Why not? Never tried it myself.

Re: Thoughts on Bison and Cattle Hybrid? [Re: Pike River] #7632017
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try it. maybe to you it tastes good


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Re: Thoughts on Bison and Cattle Hybrid? [Re: danny clifton] #7632040
07/21/22 08:46 PM
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On many other threads here regarding meat or beef,many posters indicated they preferred grain fed beef over grass fed beef. Bison are typically have much higher forage diets then most beef which could impact taste or flavor. Bison may utilize forages better and thus may not have as much texture difference then we maly anticipate. Also there could be differences in the cuts of meat and taste etc., There are also differences in the amount or size of the various cuts between the two.

Bryce

Re: Thoughts on Bison and Cattle Hybrid? [Re: danny clifton] #7632079
07/21/22 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
beefalo was being sold in the 70's. it was pricey and i dont really like it. regular buffalo or grain fed beef for me

I'm with you on this one Danny.


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Re: Thoughts on Bison and Cattle Hybrid? [Re: cathryn] #7632127
07/21/22 10:46 PM
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Anything over 3/8s bison would be considered a bison hybrid.
About 15 yrs ago I seen bison / maine hybrid cows that were rumoured to be close to 20 still producing calves ...in the eastern interlake of Manitoba


Respect the animal ,it was a gift,as was the right to harvest it.

Re: Thoughts on Bison and Cattle Hybrid? [Re: KeithC] #7632273
07/22/22 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by lorne
Anything over 3/8s bison would be considered a bison hybrid.
About 15 yrs ago I seen bison / maine hybrid cows that were rumoured to be close to 20 still producing calves ...in the eastern interlake of Manitoba


I don't have any experience raising hybrids, but here on bluestem range with no supplemental feed, bison cows are at their peak (highest breed-back percentage and largest calves) between about 7-10 years old. By the time they're 15 they calve less often, and the calves get smaller and smaller. The calves with 20-year-old mothers are runts, and often enough at that age both mother and calf fail to survive winter.

Originally Posted by 330-Trapper
Most bison herds are not pure


This is true. Many herds can claim to be free of cattle genes in mitochondrial DNA, but every herd that has had nuclear DNA analyzed has found cattle gene introgression. Escaped cattle often ran with bison herds before the bison were wiped out, and the bison that were saved from destruction were held in corrals and shipped on railcars mixed with cattle. On a practical level though, the small amount of cattle genes in most herds has little effect. Bison are still bison.

Originally Posted by KeithC
There were a little over 60 million bison in America, compared to a little over 30 million head of cattle now, yet we are somehow supposed to believe that bovine methane expulsions are only a problem now.

Keith


Not trying to start any arguments, but current best guesses are that there were between 30 and 60 million bison in North America (60 million being a little far-fetched), and there are currently close to 100 million cattle in North America.

Re: Thoughts on Bison and Cattle Hybrid? [Re: Pike River] #7632278
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and there are currently close to 100 million cattle in North America


Makes me scratch my head. We import and export beef. Is that just a marketing strategy?


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Re: Thoughts on Bison and Cattle Hybrid? [Re: danny clifton] #7632284
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Good question. I can only assume that there are people making money on it.

Re: Thoughts on Bison and Cattle Hybrid? [Re: Pike River] #7632626
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For about 10 years ( 40 years ago) we tried crossing bison and cattle, admittedly on a small scale. We wound up with only a couple of calves born alive and lost a high percentage of mothers, be them bison cows or cattle cows. The birth problem is this: bison have large front shoulders. Bison calves are small when born, about 20 pounds or so, so they will fit out of the mother bison's pelvis. Cross a bison with cattle and you get "hybrid vigor" which gives you a much bigger calf (70 to 100+ pounds). With the huge shoulders they just do not fit out of the pelvis, be it a bison cow or a cattle cow. We tried crossing bison with these cattle breeds: Jerseys, holsteins, angus, herford and longhorns. We got several live calves from the Jersey cross (Jerseys are small milk cows, for those not familiar with cattle breeds) Jersey mother and bison bull, calves weighed about 50 pounds, the lightest cross we had. 2 calves we got out alive by cutting them out of the mother (longhorn and angus).
I read somewhere several years ago that cattle DNA in bison may have come from Arouchs (spelled wrong) a pre-historic cattle specie.

Re: Thoughts on Bison and Cattle Hybrid? [Re: jht] #7632867
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Originally Posted by jht
Originally Posted by lorne
Anything over 3/8s bison would be considered a bison hybrid.
About 15 yrs ago I seen bison / maine hybrid cows that were rumoured to be close to 20 still producing calves ...in the eastern interlake of Manitoba


I don't have any experience raising hybrids, but here on bluestem range with no supplemental feed, bison cows are at their peak (highest breed-back percentage and largest calves) between about 7-10 years old. By the time they're 15 they calve less often, and the calves get smaller and smaller. The calves with 20-year-old mothers are runts, and often enough at that age both mother and calf fail to survive winter.


I have no doubt the calves get smaller and smaller..That is true even in the beef industry.Quite simply mama runs out of gas.Were the calves stellar no not really.But they were 3/4 bison as well and If I remember correctly there were 4 maybe 5 cows that had calved consistently .

I also at one point was made aware of an opportunity to purchase some hybrids from southern Saskachewan ..Unfortunately funds did not permit at the time ..and the opportunity was lost.


Respect the animal ,it was a gift,as was the right to harvest it.

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