Re: Convention of states.
[Re: Finster]
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danny clifton
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We have a pretty good constitution now. Its worthless though if citizens allow the feds to ignore it
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Convention of states.
[Re: danny clifton]
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08/10/22 01:38 PM
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J Staton
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We have a pretty good constitution now. Its worthless though if citizens allow the feds to ignore it Repeal of the 17th would help in righting the ship. If .gov doesn't comply to such a peaceful solution as a convention then violence may become the norm for those ruling. If the people stand.
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Re: Convention of states.
[Re: Finster]
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Need to have term limits for starters.
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Re: Convention of states.
[Re: Finster]
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danny clifton
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We ignore the one we got. Maybe we need tix that problem first
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Convention of states.
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I disagree on term limits.
That's how you get an even deeper swamp.
So we elect new green talent every two years within a little over a decade, assuming two term senate and house, we have a majority congress with little to no experience in how government runs.
Just who holds their hands and guides them to get things done? Unelected professional congressional staffers and consultants, that's who.
Term limits just plays into the hands of the swamp.
What we need is repeal of the 17th to make the Senate directly accountable to their respective states.
That and a strong curtailment of the federal judiciary in local and state matters. Namely the state legislature is the sole authority in house elections.
I disagree. Fresh blood every few years would not allow people to set down roots and would do a great deal in curtailing the unbelievable corruption we have now. Anyone that takes a civics class knows how the government is supposed to operate, it's really not that hard. No hand holding would be required.
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Re: Convention of states.
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Neither a convention of states or term limits are going to happen.....scotus is the last bastion right now and that may change if these folks pick up more seats or votes in November...remember many so called conservatives have really gone over to the other side.
Basically your not voting your way out of this mess....and I doubt enough people will do what is necessary. At the moment they are not even being slowed down....
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Re: Convention of states.
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I think that if a convention of states is called we will get a whole new constitution. One that would make the USSR's look like it supported individual rights. Obviously you've failed to read the instructions. That's not possibly under the Constitution. A convention can only suggest and present potential amendments they must then be ratified via the usual manner.
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Re: Convention of states.
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I disagree on term limits.
That's how you get an even deeper swamp.
So we elect new green talent every two years within a little over a decade, assuming two term senate and house, we have a majority congress with little to no experience in how government runs.
Just who holds their hands and guides them to get things done? Unelected professional congressional staffers and consultants, that's who.
Term limits just plays into the hands of the swamp.
What we need is repeal of the 17th to make the Senate directly accountable to their respective states.
That and a strong curtailment of the federal judiciary in local and state matters. Namely the state legislature is the sole authority in house elections.
I disagree. Fresh blood every few years would not allow people to set down roots and would do a great deal in curtailing the unbelievable corruption we have now. Anyone that takes a civics class knows how the government is supposed to operate, it's really not that hard. No hand holding would be required. I'm with Finster here. No term limits has more negatives than positives.
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Re: Convention of states.
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We ignore the one we got. Maybe we need tix that problem first Not WE, THEY! Give those libtards chance to re-write the Constitution and you can kiss good by a bunch of your freedoms, like the 2nd A.
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Re: Convention of states.
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08/10/22 04:47 PM
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We ignore the one we got. Maybe we need tix that problem first Not WE, THEY! Give those libtards chance to re-write the Constitution and you can kiss good by a bunch of your freedoms, like the 2nd A. You should really understand how a convention works. Unless the leftist control the majority of state houses, which they don't, those leftist wouldn't rewrite nothing.
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Re: Convention of states.
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If the 17th were repealed I guarantee that inflation reduction bill wouldn't have stood a chance.
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Re: Convention of states.
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I think that if a convention of states is called we will get a whole new constitution. One that would make the USSR's look like it supported individual rights. Obviously you've failed to read the instructions. That's not possibly under the Constitution. A convention can only suggest and present potential amendments they must then be ratified via the usual manner. And when we got the Constitution they were only supposed to be amending the Articles of Confederation.
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Re: Convention of states.
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Term limits will make things worse. The time frame the "new guys" will have to get all they can will be shortened and corruption will be on steroids compared to now.
Prosecution of legislators will give plenty of "term limits", but the chances of that happening are zero. There needs to be some way to police legislators with zero accountability to either party. Perhaps showing and prosecuting the crimes without showing their names.
IDK but term limits are not the answer. Prosecution of criminal activities equal to what the common man receives is the fairest way I know.
I will gladly handle the gavel.
How many lies will people believe before they realize their own idiocy?
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