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Question on warrant raids on a business or home #7646867
08/10/22 06:40 PM
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Does law enforcement have to compensate for any damage to property caused during the raid? I would think they have to. I was thinking of the safe they broke into at Trump’s home.

Re: Question on warrant raids on a business or home [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7646871
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Nope, same way with a car if they tear it all to pieces when searching it.
IMO they should have to fix everything if they don’t find anything.
During a local car show the police smelled pot an thought it was coming from a fully restored 55 Chevy 2dr ht. Tore it all to pieces looking. Found nothing. Smell was coming from a building behind it where they was smoking. Owner of 55 was SOL

Re: Question on warrant raids on a business or home [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7646879
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Also if your car blocking a hydrant the fireman can brake your window to run their hose.

Re: Question on warrant raids on a business or home [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7646894
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https://youtu.be/qyA19-polq8

https://youtu.be/VuFdXdzqbB4

Like everything it depends on where you live and the totality of what happened and the circumstances surrounding it

IMHO if they find nothing and cause damage looking they should be on the hood for not just the damage but also for your distress and inconvenience, if they find what they are searching for then it all fall on you that’s my take on it anyways



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Re: Question on warrant raids on a business or home [Re: Guss] #7646896
08/10/22 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Guss
Also if your car blocking a hydrant the fireman can brake your window to run their hose.

We showed this guy sympathy. It was his house on fire. Could have broken his windows , instead just scratched his paint a bit.
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Re: Question on warrant raids on a business or home [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7646902
08/10/22 07:34 PM
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My son had to pay a dealer a couple thousand to put his VW back together about 10-12 years ago. Was in Canada on a business trip. U.S. border patrol on the return trip said their dog alerted. He even had to replace parts that disappeared. Their liability was 0.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Question on warrant raids on a business or home [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7646907
08/10/22 07:36 PM
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JMO, but the state/fed/prosecutor should be on the hook for ALL costs and damages incurred if a not guilty verdict is returned. And individual state actors held personally and criminally liable if misconduct or malice is found.

In other words "sovereign immunity" must go.


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Re: Question on warrant raids on a business or home [Re: danny clifton] #7646910
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
My son had to pay a dealer a couple thousand to put his VW back together about 10-12 years ago. Was in Canada on a business trip. U.S. border patrol on the return trip said their dog alerted. He even had to replace parts that disappeared. Their liability was 0.



The use of dogs needs to go as well.


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Re: Question on warrant raids on a business or home [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7646957
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An armed shoplifting suspect in Colorado barricaded himself in a stranger's suburban Denver home in June 2015. In an attempt to force the suspect out, law enforcement blew up walls with explosives, fired tear gas and drove a military-style armored vehicle through the property's doors.

After an hours-long siege, the home was left with shredded walls and blown-out windows. In some parts of the interior, the wood framing was exposed amid a mountain of debris.

A federal appeals court in Denver ruled this week that the homeowner, who had no connection to the suspect, isn't entitled to be compensated, because the police were acting to preserve the safety of the public.

Re: Question on warrant raids on a business or home [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7647019
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All I can say is someone will pay one way or another. Take that any way you want, lol.

Re: Question on warrant raids on a business or home [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7647026
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government will treat you how they want to and there may be nothing legal you can do about it..


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Re: Question on warrant raids on a business or home [Re: Marty] #7647086
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Originally Posted by Marty
government will treat you how they want to and there may be nothing legal you can do about it..

Just ask Trump.

Re: Question on warrant raids on a business or home [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7647179
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The Gubmint compensate for property damage caused when serving and executing a search warrant? Usually a “no knock warrant”. Ha haha h ha!

Actually through litigation, I have forced state and local Gubmints to very substantially compensate clients in certain specific situations.
Never had a similar case involving the Federal agencies.


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Re: Question on warrant raids on a business or home [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7647299
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Not responsible and some purposely damage property as a form of punishment. Like they like to say. You might beat the rap but not the ride.

Back the blue until they do it to you

Re: Question on warrant raids on a business or home [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7647354
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If it's important enough to tear up stuff, then so be it. But if they do, they MUST be REQUIRED to put it back the way they found it, regardless of what they found. If not an extension of the 4th amendment, it needs to be. Agency or entity what was responsible, along with named persons conducting the search also being personally liable for any damage they cause.

You break it, you buy it.

Re: Question on warrant raids on a business or home [Re: Cragar] #7647366
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Originally Posted by Cragar
Originally Posted by Guss
Also if your car blocking a hydrant the fireman can brake your window to run their hose.

We showed this guy sympathy. It was his house on fire. Could have broken his windows , instead just scratched his paint a bit.
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I know the guy is a jerk for blocking the hydrant, but Why couldn’t you have run the hose under the car ?

Re: Question on warrant raids on a business or home [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7647390
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Cmon. You know its a ticketable offense to block a fire hydrant. You get your windows broke or paint scratched I say to bad. Are you special? Is your convenience worth more than someone elses life or property???? Get real.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Question on warrant raids on a business or home [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7647393
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They had my son in a room while they were searching. He was questioning an agent and I am sure no longer being polite. The agent said "I am the alpha male here" things really went south then. Bottom line is the dog will "alert" anytime they want to go fishing which is what happened to my son.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Question on warrant raids on a business or home [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7647689
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[/i][i]Not responsible and some purposely damage property as a form of punishment. Like they like to say. You might beat the rap but not the ride.

This is a realistic explanation of what happens frequently.

If it's important enough to tear up stuff, then so be it. But if they do, they MUST be REQUIRED to put it back the way they found it, regardless of what they found. If not an extension of the 4th amendment, it needs to be. Agency or entity what was responsible, along with named persons conducting the search also being personally liable for any damage they cause.

This may happen in a movie or in a dream, but rarely if ever happens in reality.
This may happen where the house number or street on the warrant is incorrect. So the cops go to the wrong house and beat the door in with a battering ram and drag people out of bed, cuff them, and make them lay on the living room floor in their undies or nekkid while a cop hovers over them with a gun. Then they realize that someone screwed up.
For example 650 19th Street NE is a poor old sort of rough decaying neighborhood.
650 19th Street NW is a very affluent neighborhood with old classic very expensive homes.
So the NE or NW can make all the difference.
And yes, I had those clients. And yes, the city paid out a large damage settlement.


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Re: Question on warrant raids on a business or home [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7647709
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Here is the crooked judges cell # give him a call! 561) 596- 5024.

And let him know your not happy with his weasel ways. Why is the avadavid sealed? Something to hide.

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