Re: Hay field Pricing
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If the land owner I happy I'd count it as a win. My sister let's a neighbor plant and harvest her land for free she keeps it in agricultural land and saves on taxes, could she make money on it? Sure, but the farmer that plants it is happy, she is happy, so it works out. Someone would pay her, but would they have planted useless sunflowers the year her daughter died? Probably not, but the guy getting it for free did and at his expense. Took him some time to figure out how to tweak his equipment to plant it but he did it and at his expense, he couldn't harvest it so he just plowed it under in the spring. That's how it works, help someone out without expecting a return and they will do the same for you. Sometimes life isn't about money. JMHO
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Re: Hay field Pricing
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I read that again. He doesn't have a baler. You don't have a baler. He has land that produces hay you could use.
Have him keep his 1/4 to 1/3 share and you buy his share from him at market price.
Does that fix it? Well I understand what you getting at yes and it does make sense.
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Re: Hay field Pricing
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Some folks think hay is hay is hay. It's not. Think gray scale. Lots of variation. I finished baling 2 months ago. Last week, I watched land being baled a few miles from here that I would not have baled if it was given to me. No nutritional value at all. An animal would starve to death not being able to hold another bite. Garden mulch at best, with weeds gone to seed to boot. Somebody will probably feed it to something.
Other than my own, if I bale hay for others, owner gets 25% and I do all the work. Small square for equine and goats.
Talked to a different neighbor couple days back, he was offered and accepted $1000 for a guy to come in and bale his 20 acres. He asked me if he got took? Maybe......maybe not. Low quality to begin with with noxious wees, baled late. So nothing special but that was not the owner's fault.
On hay I baled next to it, mine all made 3 ton per acre, first cutting. Sold 50 pound small squares out of the field for $7 per bale. Had that been on shares, owner would have gotten (6000 / 50 = 120) 120 bales x $7 per bale = 840 $840 per acre x 25% = $210 = owner's share per acre. $210 / acre x 20 acre = $4,200 = owner's share.
But that assumes some better management than he has now. His land has potential, but it takes management and time to get there.
What little hay I have left to sell is now priced at $10 per 50 pound bale. Have verbal "will buy" response from buyers at that price for most of it.
BTW, while small square bales are considered obsolete and finding labor to pick them up that doesn't consider them toxic waste they would not touch with a 10 foot pole, there are a lot of buyers for them. Small scale people with one or two horses....or 10 goats......that do not have a tractor to pick up a 1000 pound bale. Putting them in small squares more than doubles price per ton. So I'm probably gonna have half a dozen questions for you right off the bat. Do you only mess with square bales ? It's just an odd thing because down here it seem to be mainly big rounds Any resources you'd reccomended when it comes to leaving about hay, I saw you talked about nutritional value
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Re: Hay field Pricing
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I apologize to the OP. I didn't intend to hijack your thread. We are just in a bind down here and it is hurting. O no it's fine I'm learning a good bit. You guy really look at this alot different then we do down here it seems. Here it's just folks want round bales ,bahai grass seems to be the preferred, and we go by price ber bale not weight.past that I'm a bit lost honestly
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Re: Hay field Pricing
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08/14/22 10:56 PM
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Surely there’s a standing hay price average for his area.
There is here, it’s certain price per pound. A couple bales weighed afterwards to get that poundage amount.
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Re: Hay field Pricing
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I only mess with square bales, but that is to fit a niche market of premium hay for horses and goats. My guess is there are 50 to 100 horses kept within 2 miles of here. They all eat hay. Having said that, the only way to go for a large volume of hay for cattle is large round bales. Handling is not a problem for someone with a lot of cattle. They have the equipment.
What makes "good" hay is a combination of a lot of things. The plant.......not all grasses are the same.......and was it baled at optimum time....which for most grass hay, is normally about the time it heads out. For me.....that is one week either side of Memorial Day. Every day past June 1st, our hay is going downhill. By July 1st, has gone to seed.....stems yellow and now just indigestible fiber. Leaf is all there is left and that is low feed value too. If I was to be baling now it would be a 2nd cutting. Cattle don't demand quality of some other animals, but don't do well on crap hay either. All about timing. A month makes the difference between really good and not. Same stuff.
From an economics standpoint, I was taught it costs the same amount to run a tractor over the field 3 or 4 times making 1 ton as it does 3 ton....so shoot for best you can.....within reason. That means soil tests and such to get right amount of fertilizer on ground to optimize yield. But if you are not doing your own, all that is up to the guy doing the management. The farmer doing the baling........at least if it is on shares. The amount an acre of hay makes and it's value......largely depends on management. Frustrating for me to run equipment over the ground that makes less than half what mine makes.
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Re: Hay field Pricing
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08/14/22 10:58 PM
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Surely there’s a standing hay price average for his area.
There is here, it’s certain price per pound. A couple bales weighed afterwards to get that poundage amount. $45-60 a bale depending on where it was cur is the going rate right now from everyone I've talked to. ... actually now that I think about it I've never seen hay priced by the pound or weight in general down here
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Re: Hay field Pricing
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Grass hay in MS is no doubt different than ours, which is mostly northern cool season grasses. Brome, Timothy, orchardgrass, fescue, etc. Yours is probably closer to our crabgrass, which grows green all summer. So a long harvest window and maybe multiple cuttings. Takes timing out of the equation, but you can still optimize what you get with fertility. Bahiagrass seems to be what everyone plants down here for hay for the most part then rye grass for winter grazing think most people are getting two to three cuts after fertilizing before winter hits. Well on a good year at least.
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Re: Hay field Pricing
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Wolfdog, is that the market price for simply buying a hay bale there? I’m talking for the folks that have hay fields but no equipment or desire to make hay. They simply sell the hay standing and someone comes to bale it. The price you mentioned seems astronomical for that scenario. 2 cents per pound is pretty normal here, or twenty bucks for every single 1000 pound bale the person makes.
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