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Catholics, Radical Traditionalists? #7650318
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Rosaries are part of gun culture????
What are these folks sniffing?

Our friends at Atlantic.

"Atlantic contributor Daniel Panneton declared that the Catholic rosary has become a "symbol" of religious radicalism.

The rosary is a string of beads or knots used by Catholics as they pray a sequence of prayers, but one writer warned they have taken on a far darker meaning in modern times. "Just as the AR-15 rifle has become a sacred object for Christian nationalists in general, the rosary has acquired a militaristic meaning for radical-traditional (or ‘rad trad’) Catholics," Panneton claimed in the Sunday piece titled, "How the Rosary Became an Extremist Symbol."

"He added, "On this extremist fringe, rosary beads have been woven into a conspiratorial politics and absolutist gun culture. These armed radical traditionalists have taken up a spiritual notion that the rosary can be a weapon in the fight against evil and turned it into something dangerously literal."


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Re: Catholics, Radical Traditionalists? [Re: DaveP] #7650324
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They are radicals, Catholic vote overwhelmly democrat.

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Originally Posted by Diggerman
They are radicals, Catholic vote overwhelmly democrat.


That's not at all true. White catholics are republican by a huge majority. When you add in the Hispanic catholics it is about even.

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Originally Posted by Diggerman
They are radicals, Catholic vote overwhelmly democrat.


Not true.

Re: Catholics, Radical Traditionalists? [Re: Blaine County] #7650410
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
Originally Posted by Diggerman
They are radicals, Catholic vote overwhelmly democrat.


Not true.



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Re: Catholics, Radical Traditionalists? [Re: Hoosier71] #7650436
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Originally Posted by Hoosier71
Originally Posted by Diggerman
They are radicals, Catholic vote overwhelmly democrat.


That's not at all true. White catholics are republican by a huge majority. When you add in the Hispanic catholics it is about even.


And Hispanics are moving to the Republican party.
Look at Texas.
Rs should play to it, most Hispanics are VERY family oriented, and against most of this woke nonsense.

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The idea is crazy.

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Originally Posted by Diggerman
They are radicals, Catholic vote overwhelmly democrat.


Surely you say this in jest lol
If not you’re way off base!

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The people who write that stuff just make it up. String a bunch of words and ideas together and pretend they fit together...some people will buy into it.


Right now I’m having amnesia and déjà vu at the same time. I think I’ve forgotten this before.
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Traditionalist Catholics are not Roman Catholics. They don't follow the pope and most despise him. They still hold masses in Latin and elect their own bishops. Many are very anti-semitic. They are the Taliban of Catholics.

White Roman Catholics are mostly Republican and pro-Trump.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/09/15/8-facts-about-catholics-and-politics-in-the-u-s/

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Originally Posted by PAskinner
...some people will buy into it.


Feds do.
But since such ideas originate with them...

Re: Catholics, Radical Traditionalists? [Re: KeithC] #7650823
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Originally Posted by KeithC
Traditionalist Catholics are not Roman Catholics. They don't follow the pope and most despise him. They still hold masses in Latin and elect their own bishops. Many are very anti-semitic. They are the Taliban of Catholics.

White Roman Catholics are mostly Republican and pro-Trump.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/09/15/8-facts-about-catholics-and-politics-in-the-u-s/

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I'm not religious by any stretch of the imagination but I prefer the Latin mass.

One will not find a Democrat among the followers of the Latin Rite. Abortion and homosexuality took care of that.

I disagree they are anti semite per se. They are anti everyone who is not a Traditional Catholic.


"Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon". Milton Friedman.
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42% id as democrat, 38% id as Republican, Catholics voted 52% for biden, 47% for Trump. bidens a catholic, never has been a catholic Republican president, most catholics are pro-choice.

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I have yet to meet a traditionalist Latin mass attending Catholic yet that is pro choice or a democrat and I've met thousands.


"Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon". Milton Friedman.
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I didnt see where the story said anything about traditional vs roman catholics, white vs latin American catholics, I read it as catholics.

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I would love to attend a Latin mass.

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Originally Posted by Diggerman
I didnt see where the story said anything about traditional vs roman catholics, white vs latin American catholics, I read it as catholics.


Traditional Catholics are Roman Catholics, they just have a disagreement with the liberalization of the modern church following the Second Vatican Council. You didn't read the whole story published by the Atlantic.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...atholic-christian-rosary-weapon/671122/.

It's most assuredly referencing the traditionalists who rejected the changes installed by the Second Vatican Council and started their own splinter group lead mostly by Archbishop Levebre.


"Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon". Milton Friedman.
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The catholics don't teach the Bible that's why I left them in the 70s.

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The term Catholic was first used by Ignatius of Antioch about 80 years after Christ died in May, 33AD.
It means the whole, or universal body of followers of Christ.

I believe, as many throughout history have, in the Marks of a Church being One, Holy, Catholic, & Apostolic (Council of Constantinople 381).
I'm a Protestant of the Reformed tradition, who agrees with our salvation coming by way of Sola Gratia, Sola Fidea, Solo Christo, Sola Scripture, Soli Deo Gloria.

Christians are saved by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone, as revealed by Scripture alone, to the glory of God alone.
Pretty amazing that God calls those who hate him and that Jesus came to teach of the Kingdom of God resulting in religious leaders conspiring with civic leaders and authorities of that day to kill him.

We live in the Age of Grace, or the Church Age, in the time between the 1st and 2nd Coming. Thank God.

Blessings!
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Originally Posted by Diggerman
They are radicals, Catholic vote overwhelmly democrat.

I know lots of conservative Catholics, and the ones I know generally have a little more money than some of those folks in the other faiths.


"Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not."
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