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Re: Some people refuse to be educated [Re: warrior] #7660276
08/28/22 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by warrior
Probably because DU solicits funds from latte libs.



BINGO !

Re: Some people refuse to be educated [Re: foxkidd44] #7660284
08/28/22 07:52 PM
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DU was always more concentrated on habitat when they were actually in the business of conservation. Now they’re in the revenue and publicity business. They spend very little money anymore on projects that actually help waterfowl.

Delta has been habitat AND predator management minded.

Last edited by Boone Liane; 08/28/22 07:55 PM.
Re: Some people refuse to be educated [Re: foxkidd44] #7660294
08/28/22 08:10 PM
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DU spends more than 80% of funds raised yearly on conservation projects. Delta does about the same. Both do the same thing but with some different philosophies. Nothing wrong with that.

Re: Some people refuse to be educated [Re: foxkidd44] #7660305
08/28/22 08:19 PM
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Everyone knows Duck numbers and Low fur prices are due to Climate Change laugh laugh

Re: Some people refuse to be educated [Re: stinkypete] #7660307
08/28/22 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by stinkypete
Everyone knows Duck numbers and Low fur prices are due to Climate Change laugh laugh

Obviously! grin

Re: Some people refuse to be educated [Re: foxkidd44] #7660323
08/28/22 08:51 PM
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I got the opportunity to trap a high end duck club here in Indiana several years ago. It's also the top dollar producer of Ducks Unlimited in Indiana. I was humble in my approach and understood I was a guest on their property. A few members were not happy with a trapper being on the property. After a couple years of responsible trapping and some healthy conversations we have become close friends. One thing I've learned is duck hunters absolutely hate muskrats. they are disgusted by a muskrat in the blind .lol. and... if the beavers are messing up the water level...you better catch that beaver. .

Re: Some people refuse to be educated [Re: foxkidd44] #7660397
08/29/22 02:08 AM
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Delta is much more hunter and trapper friendly than DU. They keep their focus on their true goal.
DU wants money. Repeat, repeat, and repeat. The goal is simply a tool to get money. They do enough to keep up appearances.


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Re: Some people refuse to be educated [Re: slydogx] #7660410
08/29/22 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by slydogx
I haven't got much use for DU around here. They have gone on record stating that they would sell hunters down the river in favor of anti money.
Delta is where my money goes and as an added bonus, they are staunch supporters of trapping

Where can this record be found?
If anyone is interested in actual facts, you can look up the annual reports for both organizations.

Re: Some people refuse to be educated [Re: foxkidd44] #7660416
08/29/22 04:43 AM
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What's your favorite flavor?


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Re: Some people refuse to be educated [Re: Wanna Be] #7660487
08/29/22 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Wanna Be
DU is a good organization, but they are a look at me org. Delta is also a good organization, they don’t care what folks think, they just want results. Both know trapping works, one just chooses to not advertise to keep the money flowing.

Over the years I have belonged to both .And there have been times I did not belong to either .I was a Habitat Chairman for a Pheasants Forever chapter for 27 years also .My experience has been DU and PF do not spend much effort supporting trapping. Delta Waterfowl being the only one that understands trapping can be a valuable tool to control ground nesting predators DU and PF promote themselves as habitat organizations only My personal experience has been that I get as much negative feedback from hunters as non hunters when it comes to trapping .In spite of the fact that trappers and trapping benefit hunters at no cost .And do not compete for the same wildlife species .

Re: Some people refuse to be educated [Re: Providence Farm] #7660504
08/29/22 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Originally Posted by Diggerman
Baby ducks must be the truffles to the predator world. I have a few broods of domestics every year on my ponds, and if the coons dont get them, the owls, hawks, turtles, snakes and here lately the Blue Herons will get them. And I have been very persuasive in discouraging them all.



I think the blue Herons are why I no longer see large frogs or many big enough to harvest. Just my theory and I can't prove it but I saw the chang as I started seeing more Herons. I also started having those yellow worms in fish. I'm no fan of those birds.

You could be right, I think in my ponds the disappearance of bull frogs has been the work of some Catfish .

Re: Some people refuse to be educated [Re: trapdog1] #7660510
08/29/22 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by trapdog1
Originally Posted by slydogx
I haven't got much use for DU around here. They have gone on record stating that they would sell hunters down the river in favor of anti money.
Delta is where my money goes and as an added bonus, they are staunch supporters of trapping

Where can this record be found?
If anyone is interested in actual facts, you can look up the annual reports for both organizations.

Trapdog1, I suppose I should clarify...
You won't find it on record and I was probably not specific enough noting that my issue is entirely with the local chapters ("DU around here").
When there was a direct effort to prohibit hunting/access at some of the only remaining public hunting here, DU turned yellow belly up and referenced their policy regarding hunting and firearms regulation. When asked to clarify that position AND if they would abandon hunters if taking a position would endanger fundraising from the bunny huggers the answer was "yes".
These were private conversations between groups of people who included local representation from DU.
I also recall fundraising efforts in the 80's that were directed at anti's... all kinds of BS about how they were protecting wolves and other animals that were cooler than ducks.

So, I'll eat a little crow here - what I stated above is definitely opinion... but it's my opinion LOL

PS - I don't mind you calling me out here at all so plz don't read any negativity into my response. Happy trapping.


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Re: Some people refuse to be educated [Re: foxkidd44] #7660512
08/29/22 08:27 AM
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I haven't been a member of DU since the 1990's--about the time I decided I didn't want to choke down another duck.

It is no shock that duck hunters might not like trappers. They compete for space and duck hunters have dogs. Nonetheless, this outdoors group competition attitude is counterproductive. And if there was a contest, DU smokes the trapping organizations in membership and revenue.

https://duckscdn.blob.core.windows.net/imagescontainer/landing-pages/aboutDU/AR21_Online.pdf

But it doesn't have to be a competition. Not everything in this country has to be "us" vs. "them".


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Re: Some people refuse to be educated [Re: warrior] #7660514
08/29/22 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by warrior
Kind of like some on here.

wink


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Re: Some people refuse to be educated [Re: foxkidd44] #7660552
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Trout Unlimited is even worse.


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Re: Some people refuse to be educated [Re: waggler] #7660555
08/29/22 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by waggler
Trout Unlimited is even worse.

Amen

Re: Some people refuse to be educated [Re: foxkidd44] #7660610
08/29/22 11:49 AM
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If habitat can be improved or expanded due to DU and Latte libs that benefits hunters and trappers.

Just cause you can't hunt/trap a property that in itself is not bad.
Its a seed source that overflows on other properties.

Re: Some people refuse to be educated [Re: Dirty D] #7660616
08/29/22 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Dirty D
If habitat can be improved or expanded due to DU and Latte libs that benefits hunters and trappers.

Just cause you can't hunt/trap a property that in itself is not bad.
Its a seed source that overflows on other properties.





True, BUT what harm are they doing in the process? If they are silent and on the sidelines when we are fighting for trapping they can expect the same from us when they need help.
But I honestly think it goes deeper than that. I believe we have the same elitist culture war going on in the outdoor community as is going on in our larger society.

As an example I don't believe hunting will ever be fully outlawed. But hound hunting may be as will fur/sport trapping. Basically if you are of a certain class, ie, money, you'll still be able to hunt in a certain fashion. The only trapping allowed will be in support of that as long as we keep it out of sight.

Re: Some people refuse to be educated [Re: waggler] #7660620
08/29/22 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by waggler
Trout Unlimited is even worse.

How many salmon does the average trout eat each year? Probably the same as the pike that it is illegal to rdelease alive.


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Re: Some people refuse to be educated [Re: trapdog1] #7660625
08/29/22 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by trapdog1
Originally Posted by stinkypete
Everyone knows Duck numbers and Low fur prices are due to Climate Change laugh laugh

Obviously! grin


Trump caused it.

Keith

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