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Re: "hunters" and the .223 [Re: Yukon John] #7675181
09/20/22 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Yukon John
Maybe he thinks the guy is unloading the whole 30 rd mag in the deer! Lol


that would be sort of pointless , either it has run off out of sight or it fell over before you get more than 3-4 in it , even with as fast as you can shoot 223


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Re: "hunters" and the .223 [Re: ~ADC~] #7675182
09/20/22 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by ~ADC~
Originally Posted by waggler
The 2nd amendment is not about hunting.


That's all that needs said to anyone to end such a stupid argument for gun control. The "you don't hunt with a AR15" argument is a mute point. (and wrong as well as many of us do.)


your correct and this statement does shut down a lot of the argument right off.


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Re: "hunters" and the .223 [Re: Wolfdog91] #7675183
09/20/22 11:30 AM
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Yes, I was kidding.


Act like a blank, get treated like a blank. Insert your own blank!
Re: "hunters" and the .223 [Re: Wolfdog91] #7675186
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223 Wonít work on deer. I hear that they are wearing Kevlar vest now.

Re: "hunters" and the .223 [Re: Yukon John] #7675187
09/20/22 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Yukon John
Yes, I was kidding.


I know , but people believe that kind of thing.

like politicians using the cyclic rate of something as it's rate of fire never thinking about the stop to reload you can't fire 900 rounds a minute if you need reload ever 30 rounds
and besides you burn up the gun like that typically in less than 600 rounds


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Re: "hunters" and the .223 [Re: Wolfdog91] #7675239
09/20/22 01:39 PM
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.223 is a legal caliber for the taking of small game in Ontario LOL... I find that "hunters" can be the most ignorant of laws as applicable to firearms and the real world performance of any gun besides his grandfathers 3030 winchester... commonly known as Fudds, the gun control types consider them useful idiots


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Re: "hunters" and the .223 [Re: Wolfdog91] #7675247
09/20/22 02:03 PM
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lots of folks today have much to say about things they are ignorant of....women more than men but there are many womanly men around now.



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Re: "hunters" and the .223 [Re: trappergk] #7675252
09/20/22 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by trappergk
223 Wonít work on deer. I hear that they are wearing Kevlar vest now.



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Re: "hunters" and the .223 [Re: Wolfdog91] #7675261
09/20/22 02:17 PM
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Perfect ! cool

Re: "hunters" and the .223 [Re: Wolfdog91] #7675262
09/20/22 02:18 PM
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It'll blow a deer's lungs right out.


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Bound by everlasting bands?
None shall take thee
From the Strength of Israel's hands.

Re: "hunters" and the .223 [Re: Wolfdog91] #7675266
09/20/22 02:25 PM
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grin Such sage observations, Kart , no wonder we remember those stunning quotes wink

Re: "hunters" and the .223 [Re: Wolfdog91] #7675271
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So far one of my AR 15ís are 11 for 11 on deer. The AR10 is 3 for 3. I have shot nothing but hogs with both and they are all dead.
To me, and this is just me personally, there is no better gun for a child. The stock is adjustable to fit their smaller frames. Hardly any recoil. I will say with kids itís somewhat limited range on deerÖ75yds or less, but every deer has fell within sight.
After they graduate from the AR15 they can move up to the AR10 for extended range. Heck most never even paid attention to the difference. Theyíre all Black Rifles, lol.
I prefer the AR for hogs. More shots fired equals more holes in them, and thatís all I want.
Is it a preferred deer cartridge? Probably not. But like every thing else, shot placement is key.

Funny story. We swapped the 10 for the 15 on a hunt due to that particular stand location and the deer travel. After the shot the kid said that ainít the same gun! When asked was it the recoil he said No, it was the fact that deer did a back flip and died right there where he shot itÖ5.56 vs 7.62, lol.

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Re: "hunters" and the .223 [Re: Wanna Be] #7675276
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Originally Posted by Wanna Be
So far one of my AR 15ís are 11 for 11 on deer. The AR10 is 3 for 3. I have shot nothing but hogs with both and they are all dead.
To me, and this is just me personally, there is no better gun for a child. The stock is adjustable to fit their smaller frames. Hardly any recoil. I will say with kids itís somewhat limited range on deerÖ75yds or less, but every deer has fell within sight.
After they graduate from the AR15 they can move up to the AR10 for extended range. Heck most never even paid attention to the difference. Theyíre all Black Rifles, lol.
I prefer the AR for hogs. More shots fired equals more holes in them, and thatís all I want.
Is it a preferred deer cartridge? Probably not. But like every thing else, shot placement is key.

Funny story. We swapped the 10 for the 15 on a hunt due to that particular stand location and the deer travel. After the shot the kid said that ainít the same gun! When asked was it the recoil he said No, it was the fact that deer did a back flip and died right there where he shot itÖ5.56 vs 7.62, lol.



And that kid saw first hand why I prefer any 308 based round over a .223 or 5.56. Terminal preformance. Will my 5.56 kill everything I shoot with it absolutely. But not as often with instant results like the 308 based rounds.

Re: "hunters" and the .223 [Re: Wolfdog91] #7675283
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.223 is not for me for Deer hunting, but I don't care what so.some else uses.

Re: "hunters" and the .223 [Re: Wolfdog91] #7675353
09/20/22 05:16 PM
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Having listened to that " debate" I am taking the AR15 off truck duty and put the M14 in its stead behind the seat. It also has a wood stock making it a more hippie music friendly sort of a firearm. And not chambered in that vicious 223 caliber round.


Let's go Brandon

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Re: "hunters" and the .223 [Re: Wolfdog91] #7675610
09/21/22 12:03 AM
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Up until a few years ago a .223 wasn't a legal caliber to use for deer in MN. No 22 calibers were.

I get a chuckle when I hear how "powerful" they are.


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Re: "hunters" and the .223 [Re: newhouse114] #7675829
09/21/22 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by newhouse114
Personally, when I actually hunted deer with a firearm, I used a .338 win mag, or a .375 H&H. Big heavy bullet that doesnít even think about expanding before itís exited the deer. Near zero bloodshot meat even when bone is hit. So yes, in my opinion, a .223 does too much damage! LOL


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Re: "hunters" and the .223 [Re: Wolfdog91] #7675913
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I canít think of the name of the report, but didnít JFKís bean counters decide the 5.56 was not only more economical, but caused more casualties than deaths. The thought being that one wounded soldier took two more out of the fight . I think it was back in the seventies that I read this report so forgive me if I left out some details.

Re: "hunters" and the .223 [Re: Wolfdog91] #7675922
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If you repeat a lie often enough most of the people will start to believe it..sheep are plentiful.



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Re: "hunters" and the .223 [Re: Golf ball] #7675930
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Originally Posted by Golf ball
I canít think of the name of the report, but didnít JFKís bean counters decide the 5.56 was not only more economical, but caused more casualties than deaths. The thought being that one wounded soldier took two more out of the fight . I think it was back in the seventies that I read this report so forgive me if I left out some details.


only worked on nations that had medics and cared to treat injuries.

if your men and women were completely expendable pawns it made no difference accept they might know they are dead and fight harder to stop the pain sooner and inflict all the damage they could first.

you would think JFK having served in the pacific would have understood expendable people as a concept.

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