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Re: Thinking about a new rifle - question [Re: slydogx] #7676298
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Originally Posted by slydogx
I cannot run a suppressor because of nonsense laws here. My thought process was as follows...in the bush, no shots farther than 100 yds and most inside 50.
Nice light gun, accurate with manageable recoil.
The ammo looks to run around $30/box which is right in line with other centerfire ammo here and seems reasonably well available.
But I can be convinced not to spend the money LOL and they aren't in stock anywhere that I can find anyhow.

I run suppressed and the AR platform sucks trying to get quiet
20 rounds of suppressed with supper sonics with the black out or 5.56 and my ears are ringing. Yet my suppressed 243 7mm08 or 260 bolt guns can be shot all day comfortably.

Subsonic shoot like a rainbow and terminal preformance stinks. So I alway shoot super sonic except with small game and a .22lr

Re: Thinking about a new rifle - question [Re: slydogx] #7676306
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Screw the suppressor/ muzzle break crap.
Find a .243/7_08_308 and go kill stuff.
This "technology " stuff is just sickening .


swampgas chili and schmidt beer makes for a deadly combo

You have to remember that 1 out of 3 Democratic Voters is just as dumb as the other two.
Re: Thinking about a new rifle - question [Re: slydogx] #7676309
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For the muzzle device question, I like a linear compensator. They force the sound away from the shooter. Plus they save your side-view mirror if you are shooting out of your truck.

Re: Thinking about a new rifle - question [Re: bucksnbears] #7676316
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Originally Posted by bucksnbears
Screw the suppressor/ muzzle break crap.
Find a .243/7_08_308 and go kill stuff.
This "technology " stuff is just sickening .

Here, here.
Couldn't have said it better.
My weapon of choice for too close to town work is a 243 with a 70 grain varmint round placed one eyeball high right between the eyes , which is the forehead area. They travel about 30 inches vertically due mostly to gravity.
With that round in a bolt gun, one can witness the impact due to light recoil, which is always nice.

Re: Thinking about a new rifle - question [Re: bucksnbears] #7676317
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Originally Posted by bucksnbears
Screw the suppressor/ muzzle break crap.
Find a .243/7_08_308 and go kill stuff.
This "technology " stuff is just sickening .


Sounds like you have never got to shoot with quality suppressor. If you had you would never make such a statement.

Re: Thinking about a new rifle - question [Re: slydogx] #7676335
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How did our ancestors ever make it without all the gadgets and gizmos shooters need today?


Life ain't supposed to be easy.
Re: Thinking about a new rifle - question [Re: slydogx] #7676350
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Originally Posted by slydogx
I cannot run a suppressor because of nonsense laws here. My thought process was as follows...in the bush, no shots farther than 100 yds and most inside 50.
Nice light gun, accurate with manageable recoil.
The ammo looks to run around $30/box which is right in line with other centerfire ammo here and seems reasonably well available.
But I can be convinced not to spend the money LOL and they aren't in stock anywhere that I can find anyhow.


I would just ask yourself this , would you easily find a deer if you shot it and it ran 70 yards with no blood trail all you had was the direction you saw it go.

I am guessing the reason your shots are short 50 and in mostly max of 100 , is because that is all the further you can see. which is the case most of where we hunt also.

if the answer to that is yes, I would see it drop or wouldn't have 10000 things hiding it , they are light and low recoil.

for me the answer to that is I darn near lost one because it crawled behind a blow down last year I knew it hadn't gone any further than that because it was in one of the only clearings in the swamp and I could see it hadn't gone over the rise behind the blow down between the blow down and the tall grass you almost had to step on it to see it laying there. the blood trail started out great on that one even. it was shot with a Speer 130hp it was a new bullet for me last year it was the best blood trail I had gotten out of the 300blk yet but it dried up to dribbles after about 50 yards .

Monster toms had some great info , shot placement , shot placement , shot placement because he isn't' seeing a lot of exit either

I have some 150gr deer season xp to try this year maybe they will be better I built my 300 because a friend told me how great his was when he shot a buck he got exit however he was using Barnes bullets he said man it is so cool to watch the blood spray out the back because your still looking through the scope with nothing hardly for recoil.
I had shot a buck that same year with a 223 pistol and it went 25 yards and piled up but not a drop of blood i heard it kicking laying on it's side in the dry leaves and got down from the stand and walked nearly right to it, I had the AR pistol lower to work with so a new upper was easy.
the accuracy got me hooked
good shot placement does work.
there just isn't a lot of extra for less than ideal shot placement and I am not a big !!more power !! junky more rounds some times but not so much more power

if you don't have a special need for less power less penetration the 308 is very forgiving , with a muzzle brake the recoil is much reduced from an already not bad 7mm-08 is another good cartridge with lighter and compact models available yet still very capable.


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Re: Thinking about a new rifle - question [Re: slydogx] #7676366
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I will 2nd the 7/08 being great. 39gr more bullet weight, 1mm larger, and only 50 fps slower than a 243 but wound channels twice as wide and shoots faster with less recoil than a 308.

I honestly feel as comfortable maybe more so with a 158gr xtp out of a 357 mag carbine at 1800fps than the 110 gr v max at 2100fps out of my blackout. Double digits of deer killed with each and they are about the same. They run a bit less distance with the black out but get more exits with the 300 blackout. Neither come close to even a 243 in dropping them within 10 yards.

Re: Thinking about a new rifle - question [Re: Providence Farm] #7676377
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Originally Posted by bucksnbears
Screw the suppressor/ muzzle break crap.
Find a .243/7_08_308 and go kill stuff.
This "technology " stuff is just sickening .


Sounds like you have never got to shoot with quality suppressor. If you had you would never make such a statement.

If I was sitting over a prairie dog down shooting 100 rounds a day, yep.


swampgas chili and schmidt beer makes for a deadly combo

You have to remember that 1 out of 3 Democratic Voters is just as dumb as the other two.
Re: Thinking about a new rifle - question [Re: slydogx] #7676384
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30% recoil reduction and not blowing out your ear drums. I get 40 dB reduction on my wife's 243 ear plugs are 32 to 35 dB reduction. Hear your bullet hit the deer making that hollow drum sound same as when you shoot one with a bow. Have the rest of the deer run towards you becuse they can't tell where the shot came from.

Has nothing to do with extended firing. Some experience with things goes a long way. Muzzle breaks ya no thanks.

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