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Question for the gun guys, Muzzleloader... #7679546
09/26/22 04:40 PM
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I have a buddy that has a CVA Bobcat ML, 50 cal made in Spain. The threads where the Nipple screws in are stripped and he really would like to fix it and keep using it. So my question is, does that breech plug separate from the barrel and he can get a new one?

Or will he have to rethread and go with a different nipple? IDK, but here's a couple pics. Thanks much!!

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Re: Question for the gun guys, Muzzleloader... [Re: Catch22] #7679548
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He should be able to just get a new piece and nipple from CVA, much simpler fix.


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Re: Question for the gun guys, Muzzleloader... [Re: Catch22] #7679551
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If that doesn't work Catch. I would have him contact the Log Cabin in Lodi. Those guys build some wonderful cutom muzzleloaders. They may be able to give advice or help.

Re: Question for the gun guys, Muzzleloader... [Re: MTNMAN71] #7679582
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Originally Posted by MTNMAN71
If that doesn't work Catch. I would have him contact the Log Cabin in Lodi. Those guys build some wonderful cutom muzzleloaders. They may be able to give advice or help.


Yes they do , and if you have a Hawkins that the stock cracked , they will fix it !


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Re: Question for the gun guys, Muzzleloader... [Re: Catch22] #7679603
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It's called a "Drum".

https://www.thegunworks.com/custpro...ID=75&do=list&Cat1Name=Furniture

(I'd get an undrilled one also, incase the drilled one doesn't position correctly.)

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Re: Question for the gun guys, Muzzleloader... [Re: Catch22] #7679794
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Thanks everyone, I appreciate it!


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Re: Question for the gun guys, Muzzleloader... [Re: Catch22] #7679832
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A place called Deer Creek Products in Indiana carries a wide variety of CVA parts.
they have a website and will mail order.

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Re: Question for the gun guys, Muzzleloader... [Re: Catch22] #7679837
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I would soak it real good in some penetrating oil, then see if you can put a bolt in where the nipple goes to help with the leverage of unscrewing it. Might be good to index where the nipple is now so you can align the new one.

I saw where one guy filed flats in his for easy removal but i always felt you only remove these things if SHTF. Good luck.

Re: Question for the gun guys, Muzzleloader... [Re: Catch22] #7679845
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Here's a few more:
https://logcabinshop.com
http://www.therifleshoppe.com
https://www.trackofthewolf.com

Someone has sure put the vice grips to that drum.
Spanish made, those threads are probably metric. Getting a new nipple will be easy, I'd be worried about the stripped threads in the drum you mentioned. couple options; oversized nipple, or maybe replace the drum and get a new nipple also.

I see you're in Ohio, Log Cabin Shop is in Lodi, Ohio. Very good people to deal with. They got a couple of MZ gunsmiths there on site you can tell your troubles to. On the phone or in person.

Figure out what the thread is and you get the corresponding tap from the hardware store. They'll be standard metric (probably) or SAE threads. No such thing as nipple threads.

If I was going to reuse the drum maybe I'd sand down and re-blue that drum with cold blue while I was working on it.

Re: Question for the gun guys, Muzzleloader... [Re: Catch22] #7679861
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Any of the above. Deer Creek seems to have lots of parts!


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Re: Question for the gun guys, Muzzleloader... [Re: coonlove] #7679914
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Originally Posted by coonlove
A place called Deer Creek Products in Indiana carries a wide variety of CVA parts.
they have a website and will mail order.

Their entire parts list is marked, OUT OF STOCK!!


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Re: Question for the gun guys, Muzzleloader... [Re: Catch22] #7679921
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If the drum rusted up so bad the threads are gone where the nipple goes and the drum cant be unscrewed from the rifle, its time to buy a new rifle. I seriously doubt it shoots very accurately


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Re: Question for the gun guys, Muzzleloader... [Re: Catch22] #7679924
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If there's that kind of wear/neglect on the nipple/drum i would be suspect of the condition of the bore. Blackpowder is highly corrosive and requires fastidious care. Any signs of exterior neglect can't speak well to the interior.


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Re: Question for the gun guys, Muzzleloader... [Re: Catch22] #7679941
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Thanks a ton y'all!! I'll pass the info on to my buddy.


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Re: Question for the gun guys, Muzzleloader... [Re: Catch22] #7680031
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easier to re-thread in a larger size nipple

track of the wolf sells the 7-1 repair nipple for the CVA

the breech plug on those is not removable , well you can but it doesn't clock right going back on is my understanding , you might be able to get a new bolster but those things sold for at Walmart near the end so not a high dollar piece , they shoot fine we have 2 of them for the 4-H kids to shoot.

the original nipple thread is 6-1 metric 6mm thread pitch 1 so a 7-1 is just big enough that all you really need is the tap and new nipple

make sure to tap it strait

here is the link the cva 7-1 nipple in the description it has the part number for the tap they also sell

https://www.trackofthewolf.com/List/Item.aspx/64/1?PageSize=100

I put a tiny bit of anti seize on the nipple threads each time I put the nipple in , tiny also you need thread engagement and snug but no real torque if I had to give it a inch pound value I would say like 2-5 inch pounds till it stops at the shoulder and like 2 degrees more turn so if you screw it in when you met resistance go just a couple degrees more just snug your not torqueing down lug nuts here. most people try and go too tight and that is what strips the threads it is not hard steel all that Spain muzzle loader steel is soft stuff


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that is not the worst one I have seen , most people never take the tang off or the lock out so even if they take good care of the barrel those parts get some powder residue on them

I take the CVAs and really all of them apart every time , good screw drivers to not bugger the screw heads midway sells a wheeler kit that is very handy

I clean everything with hot soapy water , then a hot water rinse , then la out on a towel and dry , then when dry lube each part to prevent rust

the barrel dry with patches and lube while still warm with a natural lube like bore butter , wonder2000 , tallow and bee's wax or something like that.

I then put a rag down and set them muzzle down on the rag or old sock so that the warm lube doesn't run into the flash channel and cause ignition issues next time you take it out

with a good cleaning we can shoot them then clean and store for a year without issue , but it is all about that good cleaning and lube

the barrel should be smooth inside and not snag a moistened patch if it snags a patch some can be re-habbed with a really good scrubbing of flitz metal polish then a cleaning and lube, but if it snags a patch , she is not good to use

lots of people bought those at Walmart cheap maybe shot them a weekend then put them away and they turned into sewer pipes


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