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Re: Dealing with crupt Conservation Officer [Re: Providence Farm] #7723372
11/21/22 12:37 PM
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You don't have a warden issue, you have a CO system issue and we are not able to help you or any outdoor persons in IN get resolution for that. Does not sound like it is new either or to just thise individual. Also looks as if the local LE staff is involve as well. Money talks and that makes for less compliance to any and all ordinances or regs.

Bryce

Re: Dealing with crupt Conservation Officer [Re: Boco] #7723376
11/21/22 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
Sounds like you are surrounded by people where you hunt,bummer.



Yes baco it's not wide open wilderness down here. Lots of big land owners , leasing, and small acres with houses mixed in. There are some nice size 20k acres pieces of public ground within an hour. The boys hunt on our farm and public ground. The public gets crowded and some is rugged and steep with near 200" elevation changes. The terrain acts as a funnel and keeps most hunters close to the road.

But I prefer hunting the big public tracks with their lower deer population becuse I don't like being boxed in. I don't have any problems with my neighbor and have only had one of ours make it 3 bounds over the line. I also welcomed them and helped them track a buck they shot across my farm before the blood ran out.

Re: Dealing with crupt Conservation Officer [Re: Providence Farm] #7723377
11/21/22 12:44 PM
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I know of a couple instances where the LEO in question was either assigned a different county or promoted to a desk job. For the most part they’ve all been good. I’ve even hunted with a few and had a great time.

Re: Dealing with crupt Conservation Officer [Re: Providence Farm] #7723378
11/21/22 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
With no proof it will go no where. 2 formal complaints filed vanished after the first time . When the first complaint vanished from the system they filed a 2nd one.Corruption is deep in that area. The good CO'S tend to keep their heads down. And there are some out standing officers in that district.

This one is just not well suited for his position. But his family is vary well connected like a judge is ni his family and a road has his last name.

It very common for big money land owners to run rough shaped over the little people. They hire off duty leo to patrol using their cop cars burning county paid for fuel as their own privet police force. Of course the job cuts with hunting privileges to the in clubs. They think they own the entire county. Judges the district attorney are all in the click.


so much to "unpack" here, but I won't waste my time. I could offer some thoughts that could explain some of this to a rational person; and a concrete suggestion to help, if what he's saying is actually true.

but PF has already decided to be a "Victim-by-Proxy" in this case. And his automatic response to having his assertions even QUESTIONED, is to lash out.

Carry On, Mr. Victim.

Re: Dealing with crupt Conservation Officer [Re: Wanna Be] #7723380
11/21/22 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Wanna Be
Haha, didn’t even know there was an ignore feature until I went to send someone a message and it told me I wasn’t allowed. Guess I got under someone’s skin in the past and didn’t know it.



I did the same. Went to send scuba a pm conserving his post about his gift but couldn't becuse I was on ignore. O well was trying to keep him out of a hot seat.

Re: Dealing with crupt Conservation Officer [Re: Providence Farm] #7723382
11/21/22 12:51 PM
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I dont think it is necessary to put anyone on ignore in order to ignore them.
That seems very childish.

PF,Plaster that CO's face all over local facebook and any other media you can and slander the h--- out of him-remember its not slander if you are telling the truth.
And get a couple hundred of your friends/family to do the same.


Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: Dealing with crupt Conservation Officer [Re: Providence Farm] #7723392
11/21/22 01:01 PM
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be careful who you make enemies of....especially when it will not do anything to resolve the situation. you need to play the game so it benefits you or at least is not to your detriment.



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Re: Dealing with crupt Conservation Officer [Re: Marty] #7723397
11/21/22 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Marty
be careful who you make enemies of....especially when it will not do anything to resolve the situation. you need to play the game so it benefits you or at least is not to your detriment.


Thats called the Ben Dover attitude.


Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: Dealing with crupt Conservation Officer [Re: Providence Farm] #7723401
11/21/22 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
With no proof it will go no where. 2 formal complaints filed vanished after the first time .


well, what SHOULD have been done to him; considering you admit you have "no proof"?



Last edited by white marlin; 11/21/22 02:24 PM.
Re: Dealing with crupt Conservation Officer [Re: Providence Farm] #7723407
11/21/22 01:30 PM
11/21/22 01:30 PM
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In KY. doesn't matter where you shoot a deer if it goes on private property you need landowner permission to retrieve it. Is that the law there?

Re: Dealing with crupt Conservation Officer [Re: Providence Farm] #7723408
11/21/22 01:33 PM
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This reminds me of the old Coonman posts.


MOLON LABE
Re: Dealing with crupt Conservation Officer [Re: Providence Farm] #7723412
11/21/22 01:46 PM
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I have a CO that I tried to turn in several times, but was unsuccessful. Good luck. This guy used his badge to steal from me. In the end I came out ahead by using my powers to lighten his wallet on a repair bill.

Re: Dealing with crupt Conservation Officer [Re: bblwi] #7723441
11/21/22 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by bblwi
You don't have a warden issue, you have a CO system issue and we are not able to help you or any outdoor persons in IN get resolution for that. Does not sound like it is new either or to just thise individual. Also looks as if the local LE staff is involve as well. Money talks and that makes for less compliance to any and all ordinances or regs.

Bryce


You have no idea. Fla few decades back wild hogs showed up. Everyone knows the county prosicuter turnd them out on his huge coal mine lease to hunt with all the big shots. Luckily thay never grew to a large population and the last one I know of that was shot by a guy deer hunting was several years back

Re: Dealing with crupt Conservation Officer [Re: Swamp Wolf] #7723458
11/21/22 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
You become part of the problem by grouping "them" all together.

Does one "bad" egg make the entire dozen bad?

Come on! Teach you kids and yourself how to single out the good from the bad.

I must have missed the part of the original post where he grouped all of "Them: together. I did see where he said it gives the good officers a bad name. Which is true.


Won't take no prisoners,won't spare no lives.
Re: Dealing with crupt Conservation Officer [Re: Providence Farm] #7723467
11/21/22 03:27 PM
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Remember, when going after revenge, always dig two graves.....just sayin.

Re: Dealing with crupt Conservation Officer [Re: Providence Farm] #7723478
11/21/22 03:50 PM
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Looks likes nothing has changed here! LOL


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

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Re: Dealing with crupt Conservation Officer [Re: Providence Farm] #7723565
11/21/22 06:04 PM
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I deal with Indiana Conservation Officers several times a year, and while I have had one check me out very thoroughly because I got under the skin of a Fish and Wildlife Area assistant director, all of them, including the one that was “sicked” on me, have been professional and have not abused their power at all. The one did check out every detail, but after finding no violations he said “have a good rest of your hunt sir!”.

No matter what the rights/wrongs of this particular situation, I do have some advice for future contact with Indiana COs. Always initiate any contact by calling central dispatch- (812) 837-9536. Yes, I have cell phone numbers for several officers, but I would only call them for personal “non-business” stuff like talking about the game or to go drink a beer. When you start with central dispatch, you have initiated a dispatch to the officer that gets the the job, and there is a record starting with the main office. I have never called central dispatch and not had my concern addressed. It may not help at this point, and there may be no way to help your situation from your perspective, but I highly recommend always calling central dispatch first when contacting DNR law enforcement.

Worth noting that in IN conservation officers tend to be very professional and are the preeminent law enforcement in the state. They are the only law enforcement officers tasked with enforcing every state law, and are the only LEO who can arrest the governor. In MOST cases, this holds them to a high standard of training and professionalism. Not saying it’s impossible for an abuse of authority to happen, but it does bode well for the advice that others have given to take it higher on the chain of command - if a CO s abusing authority, I don’t get the feeling that the lieutenants will take that kind of thing lightly. But you better be sure your ducks are in a row, that you have not done anything that is a violation, and that you are not pulling any baloney with them if you start down that path.

Re: Dealing with crupt Conservation Officer [Re: Providence Farm] #7723570
11/21/22 06:11 PM
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Rule of thumb never call a Leo no good will come of it they are not your friend our buddy they have a job to do and some are narcissist . Some are good some are bad but you don’t know what your getting when you call .I find it is just best to not include them in any dealings . Next time just go to land owner that is my 2 cents .

Re: Dealing with crupt Conservation Officer [Re: Providence Farm] #7723592
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Just have him keep shooting bucks, eventually they will let him retrieve one of them out of fear they are going to run out of deer.

Re: Dealing with crupt Conservation Officer [Re: Providence Farm] #7723604
11/21/22 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
He should ask for the officer's body cam video. (Disregard this as I just went back and read where there is no officer video)

Any future encounters he should video the officer himself with his phone.



He was going to get his phone out of the truck but the officer wouldn't let him open the truck. Must have been scared of geting on video and the rifle in the truck. Funny he never thought about the possibility of the concealed gun on his hip.

What do you mean," officer wouldnt let him open the truck"? Was he being detained? People, You need to understand your rights, You do not need to take crap from a CO, If you feel the least bit uncomfortable, You call 911 or ask for his superior. If you did nothing wrong and are in the right, you certainly shouldnt take any crap. If you did, you deserve it.

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