Mr. Dobbins said in a post earlier that if we can discuss this without arguing then it is OK. Below are two videos that I think are important to all of us. How do we protect ourselves and at the same time make sure we get the answers we need?

There is a documentary called "Died Suddenly" that is worth a watch.

Covid was no accident, it was released for a reason and purpose.

I've been watching Dr. John Campbell's videos for some time.
He uses data from CDC and other sources and while he has to watch what he says due to censorship he gets his point across.

There is a lot of odd stuff going on and its odd that the powers that be seem to have no interest on whats causing the excess deaths.

Also of interest is studies ( not in the west) that show the jab effects the heart in people under 20 but again, there seems to be no interest in the west about this.

Ever since Covid hit the stage there has been much info purposely with held and much info that has changed over time. I noticed this right away with politicians saying one thing one month then changing 180 degrees later.
For an example remember Kamala and pedo Joe both refusing to get the jab when Trump was president but later its all they can do but to tell us to all get the jab and all boosters.
Its been my experience in life that people rarely will change positions unless it benefits them in someway.

The total lack of transparency in this whole issue is enough for any independent thinking person to have serious doubt about the "approved" narrative..

IMO, this makes the Nuremburg Trials look like a water pistol fight. Lets pray to God these excess deaths end, but if they don't, then all heck is gonna break loose.

I'm waiting for the usual suspects to show up and call us names for not getting the shot.

I almost died back in October from being vaccinated. I got my 4th Covid shot along with my shingles and flu shot. I got a fever that night, Wednesday, which I expected. Thursday, I still had a fever. Friday I started feeling like I was fading away. I felt disconnected and would get tunnel vision. Saturday I fell down once and continued feeling like I was fading away, mostly when sitting down. My symptoms continued into Monday. I was driving to the Post Office and felt so out of it, I considered pulling off the road into a cornfield. I went home and had Diane drive me to the hospital.

They admitted me into the ER, no waiting, no paperwork. My systolic blood pressure after being worked on, was 240. My blood oxygen level was 71%. They did a large number of tests on me, including 2 CT Scans of my heart, blood sugar, stroke, heart attack markers, red blood cell count, white blood cell count and more. They could find no cause for my symptoms.

They kept me until the next evening when they let me go home with a systolic blood pressure of 180. At 180, you have an 80% chance you will be dead in 10 months. At 240, you can die at anytime.

Since then, I've seen more doctors than I had previously seen in my entire life. All of the doctors and nurses i have asked said that it was bad to get three vaccines at once, even though it's pushed by the pharmacies. Very few wanted to say that it was likely the cause of my problem

I have read a lot of university studies since and between .4% and 6% of the populations of the countries studied had a similar reaction to mine, after receiving the Covid shot, with varying levels of severity. The theory is that in people like me, our immune systems attack our red blood cells hurting their ability to carry oxygen, but not damaging them enough that our bodies kill them and take them out of circulation.

It takes about 6 weeks for your body to replace all your red blood cells. My blood oxygen rate climbed back up about 3 to 4 points a week, until I got RSV, when it dropped back down to 71% again. I've since climbed back up to the low end of a normal oxygen rate.

Governments have done a cost benefits analysis on giving people the Covid vaccines. They know full well that some people will have adverse reactions, like mine and that some people will die from receiving the vaccine. They obviously have concluded that more people will be saved. I agree that most people should be vaccinated. I unfortunately was one of the few with an adverse reaction.

They need to develop a test to see if you will react badly, before vaccinating you.

Keith

Wish you the best, Keith.

I disagree. Less people should be vaccinated. Kids dont need them at all, and 98% of adults below the age of 70 unless obese dont need them and the best part is... they dont work. The drug companies admit it but still pushing the vax. why is that.

Remember Diamond and Silk the conservative black ladies Trump likes to bring on stage. Only one left now and she died from the vax along with many others that didn't need it.

https://rumble.com/v26mm4s-it-does-not-matter-if-you-are-vaxxed-or-not.html

Keith, that is a stunning terrible commentary. Thanks for the share and I'll pray God carries you through all of it with compassion, mercy and comfort at some level.

Blessings,
Mark

Saw some numbers recently come out that 7% of people that got the jab have been hospitalized as a result. For reference, roughly 2% of people that caught COViD were hospitalized.

Seems to be alot of folks just up and dying from a heart attack.

That football player they got real quiet about wonders me too.

It’s a bad place to be where the truth offends.

The latter you'll never be told what is was until a lawsuit against the team or NFL is brought

Keith the blood pressure spike that you mentioned happened to you has happened to several mRNA recipients I know. Many never had blood pressure issues before but are now having to take blood pressure medicine to control it.

Wow Kieth, good bless sir. This is a horrible happenstance and no matter how loudly many men on the Internet tried to inform folks the system chose to shut us up and shut us down and that message just didn't get out to everyone. I really pray you get better and that you have the chance to share your story for years to come so other will beware.

God bless

There is a test you can ask for Kieth it's called a D-dimer test. Check with your Dr, or heart specialist or Lab and see if they will admit you for the test. It test blood clotting on a microscopic level and can be a very good early warning sign for serious issues. The clot shot as we call it is notorious for causing a structure to grow in the blod vessels that will prevent your body from absorbing oxygen. This is why so many thought they couldn't breath after taking it and getting COVID and would go to the hospital not knowing that the "approved treatment" was actually the real danger in the first place. Remdesiver and a ventilator is a death sentence. Basically like being on dialysis. Most don't make it off.

Be blessed. If you need any more.info I'm sure some of us can point you in the right direction.

My brother got the remdeathisnear and ventilator which was a death sentence for him. Hospital benefitted financially though since .gov was/is paying big bucks for using those two procedures.

The Jab does not prevent it and I am NOT taking it!!! It was never tested enough before being shoved down our throats by Politics!!!

Beyond vaccines, covid, etc.

This year I got sick 3 separate times, I'm in my younger 30s and missed weeks of work from being sick. My wife was also sick, seemed like all my friends and neighbors were sick. Whatever went around this fall after a year of isolation for most people seemed as bad as covid.

I don't know if we will see the full picture the covid lockdowns had. From kids with mental health problems to increased illness this year plus the economic effects. The response to covid was worse than covid.

I don’t believe this thing is an absolute, which makes it impossible to pick a winner. lol

Can’t both sides be winners?

Here is a micro picture, my wife and two kids are vaxed and neither has contracted Covid. Myself and two other kids are not vaxed, we all contracted Covid but experienced mild symptoms. My Dad is vaxed, my mom isn’t, neither has contracted Covid to date. He is 86, she is 80.

It appears that there are many factors that go into efficacy of vaccines that time did not permit for perfected trials. If you did what is right for you and it has panned out, be relieved. If not, take what there is to learn from it and govern yourselves accordingly in the future.

I had covid, had shingles, had the flu, had pneumonia. None were especially pleasant but I suspect they strengthened my immune system better than a vaccine would. I dont believe we can trust the information we get from media who get it from CDC. Lady across the street from me got the RNA modifier injection and was hospitalized with covid a couple months later. She lived but barely. Extrapolate what you will from that but at least its not lies.

That could be the understatement of all time.

In my opinion the best defense against infection, whether viral or bacterial, is a strong immune system. Immune systems get strong by fighting off bacteria and viruses on their own. I suppose it could be argued that flu shots strengthen your immune system by introducing a small amount of a particular virus and letting it fight it but I've never thought it necessary.

I've never had a flu shot and have had the flu twice in 65 years. Once was covid back in Jan of 2019 when it first came to America.

I've been regularly introduced to the "germ" of the week by my school age kids and then their kids. I rarely get sick and when I do the symptoms are usually very mild.

I rarely take any medicine, usually just Vitimin C and sometimes Zycam (Vitimin C and Zinc). I took some elderberry syrup when I had covid.

I believe in letting my immune system function as it was intended.

The video of Ezra levant grilling the ceo of Pfizer on the streets of davos is awesome!!

Must see!

When your government sets a certain narrative, then works with media to suppress dissemination of any information contrary to that narrative, what could possibly go wrong?

I dont know whats happening in the ICUs and ERs in the USA right now, but I know whats happening here and its terrifying. Our daughter just spent the last 6-months in hospitals all over Western Canada finishing up her Advanced Care Paramedic degree. She said its the same story in every hospital she worked at. People are dying from heart attacks and strokes. Young people. She said the doctors and nurses know whats causing it. The vaccines.

Senator Ron Johnson has been leading the charge on this issue from the beginning, and he had a bunch of doctors and data experts give testimony recently that was also terrifying.

I watched the Joe Rogan podcast with Bret Wienstien last night and thats what it was about. Apparently two recent studies have shown that after three doses of the Mrna vaccines your immune system is damaged.

Scary times we are in and you know something is really badly wrong when they keep pushing a vaccine that we now know for certain doesnt even stop you from getting the virus or spreading it.

Dr Peter McCullogh, one of the most published cardiologists in history was on the news last week. He said its time to be blunt, and proceeded to say the vaccines are killing people and a whole lot of people need to be held accountable.

My brother in law had an experience similar to Keiths last April. He wasn't so lucky though he passed away a few days later. Big strong healthy good natured fella that unfortunately believed everything they told him.

We are in a strange place now. We can look back and see who was telling us the truth and who wasnt. There are a bunch of doctors that the country needs to apologize too, they were right all along. The doctors that founded the FLCCC would be a good start. Anyone with any post vaccine problems would be wise to consider doing what they recommend.

I'm sorry to hear that. It's a drug that was known to cause fluid on the lungs which is exacerbated by the vent and cause people who didn't need to be in the hospital to choke on their own fluids and die. Many Drs and nurses have come out and claimed that the treatment method was akin to the modern day guillotine.

Just so any of the naysayers understand. In modern history the CDC would shut down any vaccine that had a number of just 25 deaths attached to it and scrap the project. But more than 25 people on this site know someone who died from the vaccine or treatment method. This is small forum with very limited number of the population in it. Dr McCullough claims over 400,000 people have died from the vaccine. That's just in the US.

The vaccine was made to kill people or seriously debilitate them. We warned everyone about this and were then silenced for it.

Now if you wanna go down the rabbit hole check this out. This is a document that we call a future scenario document. It is a war game that agencies do to prepare for a contrived event. They play it off as "oh we war games this and it happened just how we thought it would", but the truth is they use these documents to prepare their employees for the coming event that they then create.
Check the link below for the SPARS future scenario document and compare this to what actually happened during the COVID event.

SPARS

The government and it's agencies did similar war games for 911 and the release of COVID, the COVID war game was called Event 201 lead by Bill Gates. The document above is the war game for the government's response with a vaccine.

Senator Ron Johnson. People in WI are lucky to have him.

https://rumble.com/v20hgiq-please-s...s-roundtable-highlights-with-senato.html

Lot's of people won't be drawing social security now, fits well for broke governments hitting debt ceilings & borrowing like fools....

Just saying.

Well the injured ones that don't die but will end up on ss disability will adds some to the rolls. But many of them will likely roll up their sleeve for their 30th booster and eventually be removed from the rolls.

Saw a paper my company put out in the break room last night quoting the cdc recomdations and telling about the new strains and how everyone should get their boosters. And if not vaxed get them asap.

People are still buying and pushing it.

Ss disability claims skyrocketed after the vaccine mandates started so...

I se you've done your homework Ken.
I have I cousin a step brother and my sisters best friend that all are gone ages 60-62 they died within a year of each other. They each had one thing in common. Every one of my family members that decided to not take the Vax. Have had Covid they are all alive and healthy today. The three deaths that i mentioned were all heart attacks.
Coincidence?
I bealeave we may have more than one pandemic.
Rich

Good discussion!

Covid killed my Dad but not my Mom. Both in their 80's. Mom never even went to the hospital. Would the shot have saved my dad? Who knows. I think it was just his turn. He was starting to suffer from dementia. To tell the truth I am glad he didnt have to suffer advanced stages of it.

I know multiple unvaxed people that got bad sick from covid. A few that died, but most just had a bad cold and a few never got sick. its weird stuff. Its not hard to think its more likely than not man made.

Wonder when it's said & done which number is greater?...I know what I'm betting on.

Was doing some work for a girl in her low 30's that was very healthy . She worked out watched what she ate and her mom talked her into getting the jab . Well now she developed blood clots and figures it's from the shot .

Many people dont trust the government. I am 1 of them. Many people dont trust doctors. I am 1 of them. If someone wants to take the shot. Let them take it. If some one doesn’t leave them alone. WHY? Cant it just be that simple. Without all the arguments???

Friend of mine faced the choice of the needle or his job... Firefighter for a good sized town nearby. He's 37... and while he isn't an Olympic athlete, he stays in pretty good shape... He has to be able to perform his job.

37 and taking meds for myocarditis. All after getting the poke.

Guess some will quote the old saw about correlation/causation... And there is some truth in that in isolated incidents. But with this there's a trend that can't just be chalked up to coincidence

Mike

The rub is can he preform his job or end up loosing it now?

I have had two covid shots - the second may have slowed me a little the following day. I have had the Shingrex shingles shot, as has my wife - before covid - and it knocked us down for a couple days. Felt like the flu. But, way preferable to shingles - which I have had one. A friend of ours once said about shingles - I would not wish that on my ex husband.

Yeah, I've considered that too. He's working now. But I guess time will tell. The crummy part is that he works 2 jobs... Running into burning buildings to save people pays just a little over minimum wage.

Mike

I am no Dr but Drs have admitted to me if you had shingles already the vaccine won't give you any less chance of a recurrence. At least its a real vaccine and not a MRNA. Its made from weakened virus.

My wife is a nurse and my best friends wife works in the heart center, they are seeing a huge increase of heart related problems in folks who have been vaccinated. My parents took the first two shots and within a week my mother who is 60 and in great health begin having problems with her heart beat. It would drop to the point she could barely walk from the kitchen to the living room and other times it would be racing. They've ran multiple test and cant determine any problems. My dad hasn't had any side effects from the vaccine so far

The covid vaccines are truly a polarizing issue, and one that very few folks are able to look at objectively. It is very much unfortunate that covid was made a political issue. I am almost 70 yrs old. I took the original shot early on, and a booster. I have a number of health issues that puts me in the high risk category. If you read about most medicines you are now taking, the side effects are alarming. My son is a Dr as is one of my best friends. They both saw a LOT of death and despair in their respective hospitals the first year and a half of covid. In fact, one of them contracted covid early on and is still suffering from long covid. Because of my health condition, they both advised me to take the vaccine, telling me my goal should be to put off getting covid as long as I could - until new treatments were developed and the disease itself would become less deadly over time.

Both my wife and I took the original shot. There was some concern because it was a new vaccine. My hope was many folks would not take the vaccine, so if there were a lot of vaccine takers who went down, there would still be plenty to carry on. I consider myself to be right down the middle on this.

I personally know an 81 yr old lady with COPD who died of covid, a 75 yr old lady with no pre-existing conditions who died of covid, a 62 yr old fit farmer who died of covid, and a 54 yr old fit and healthy fireman who died of covid - all in the first 18 months. I know a 55 yr old fit ex state trooper who spent a yr in rehab recovering from covid, a 45 yr old accountant who has still not been able to go back to work after two years, a 44 yr old electrician BIL who almost died and is still experiencing blood clots from covid and a 55 yr old Dr with long covid. With the exception of the Dr, who had the first covid shot and then tested positive for covid the next day, none of these folks had a covid vaccine before they got covid. In my almost 70 years, I have never personally known someone who died of flu.

I personally know no one who had the covid shot and died - although most of them had covid at sometime. I dont know of any of the vaccine takers who were hospitalized from either the vaccine or covid. I have not taken a vaccine in a couple of years now and dont intend to. Neither me or my wife has ever tested positive for covid. We dont wear masks, we fly on airplanes, we go to foreign countries - we live life like we did pre covid.

My son, the Dr, said he saw an increase in fatal diseases in his work a year or two after the lockdowns and attributes much of that to folks not going to regular checkups and screenings. He especially saw an increase in fatal cancers.

My personal opinion, this was a man created disease, and the politics on both sides made it much worse. I have no intentions of taking another covid booster. I have had a number of anti vaccine folks state that taking the vaccine is a personal choice, and then in the next breath, call me a Karen, and idiot, or bat snot crazy. I dont know any liberals, but I still see the odd person driving in a car alone, wearing a mask. I also know a couple of folks who had to quit their job because they would not take the vaccine.

Very few folks look at this whole debacle through unbiased eyes - and that has greatly made all of this worse.

latest I saw from the CDC is that of all the covid deaths only 5% are from covid alone.
The rest had other issues (Comorbidity), the average number of these other issues was 5.

My Dad died from covid, at least thats the story,, he was 89, had a heart defect, pneumonia and dementia. If you'd of seen him in his last 1 year you'd think he was a dead man walking. He was very under weight, just skin and bones. He could not make it from the car in the garage to the kitchen table without stopping to catch his breath at least once. He had fallen in the shower, slipped in the tub and fallen out of bed. The rescue squad was at the house 3 times in one week alone. He, my Mom, my sister, her husband, me and my wife all got the covid around the same time. None of us at the time had the jab (fall of '20) and all of us have recovered with no ill effects.

So lots of anecdotal stories out there.

The biggest issue I see is the lack of care in the side effects of the jab. To admit the problem would be an indictment of the pharmaceutical industry, the medical profession, The CDC, the media and last but not least our Gov't leaders.
So its obvious why this gets little attention.

There was a researcher who was partially responsible for the development of the RNA Pfizer "vaccine" on NewMax about a month ago. He said there is no reason for any child 12 or under to be getting the shot. One reason is they don't know what the long term effect will be for children. The other reason is that when this age group does contract the virus, they are the least affected; no more than a common cold or mild flu.

Yet, there were commercials trying to make parents sound like it was child abuse if they didn't have their youngsters get the shot. One was a doctor who said she had even had her 6 month old get the shot.

So, this is what we are left with, everyone comparing their personal observations from one to a dozen folks they know, and trying to draw some reasonable conclusions about things. Meanwhile, the folks in charge with reams of data to draw from continue to dole out only what they want us to hear to support the desired narrative. Wouldn't it be great if we could actually trust those in charge, but their past actions, lack of honesty and transparency does not elicit much trust.

I had a heart attack last April at 36 years old. 100% blockage of the circumflex artery. I took the 1st moderna shot. 6'1'' 220lbs and have always been very active. Never smoked. No, I cant track it back to any family members on either side. My diet.... well i like the good stuff like fried chicken skin and pork chitterlings a few times each spring. I'm blessed to be here to say the least.

TLDR - but I have 5 friends that were killed by covid. I wish they had tried the shot.

Some of us tried to warn others .......but it's an uphill battle , fighting against a very powerful and relentless brain washing campaign .


A lot of good info got axed .........deemed as " fake news "

The Chinese virus was planed!. To kill as many people.

Yeah Rich is almost as if they faked a pandemic to create one that can't be stopped

What's horrible about that Mike is that most people don't make it 5 to 8 years after getting myocarditis it's a death sentence

We should never trust anyone in charge of govt or big business. You are a commodity and will always be looked at as such. The old timers really knew what was up, too bad the youngsters didn't get the memo

Yes it's actually more than that. It is a psychological operation against the entire planet mainly the western nations. I used to be illegal to practice psychological warfare against the population of the uS but not anymore. We are sheep being lead to the slaughter and anyone pimping the narrative is doing the world govts work, and unfortunately part of the problem.

It's not over. There is more to come. The insurance claims of every major insurance provider has skyrocketed and the death stats from the insurance companies are astounding, but the media won talk to you about it because it doesn't fit the narrative.

This is how you soften up the population, and create learned helplessness, then leading to a form of trauma based mind control. Once a population is under these types of psychological controls they are much easier controlled, and will do whatever they're told. Then they'll collapse the economy, start world war 3, and send in a foreign government to clean up our guns. Then they will fully castrate this once great nation, and sell us to the highest bidder.

If that happens Ken I am taking some with me

All of my immediate family is unvaxxed. All except for me and Pete have had COVID, some of them multiple times. ALL are very high risk. None have had symptoms any worse than a cold. My dad caught it the first time a couple weeks after lung surgery. My mom has COPD and a host of other health issues. My Stepdad has COPD and sarcoidosis of the lungs. My grandmother is in her upper 80s. And they were all fine. My dad's brother got jabbed and has been in and out of the hospital constantly for all sorts of issues ever since.

My mom and stepdad currently have Covid again but so far so good.

My opinion is... No one is right or wrong. Covid effects people differently based on many things same as the shot does. Pick your poison and leave everyone else alone. It's the same as politics and religion, you're not changing anyone's mind, just talking to hear yourself talk.

The problem was the mandate’s

Forcing folks too get vaccinated for work/travel/enter buildings/attend events etc

Young people, healthy people where never at risk

They knew this early on. Very early

But they still pushed the vaccine. They are still pushing,,,,

I don't think your experience is average. Of the hundreds of people I know I only know of one personally that died of Covid. The guy that ran the liquor store.

3 of the 5 lived less than two city blocks apart. 2 of the 5 were my age or younger. Different strain of the virus maybe?

I bet there is almost zero people on trapperman that agree with the mandates, and if there are any, no one will change their minds.

I got vaxed,travelled to infested cities and hobnobbed all over where people were infested with covid-never got sick.
Vax works great.

I think the same could be said for folks that didn't get the shots. Or only got some of them.

That’s nice

Lots of folks never got vaccinated and never died

Many folks that weren’t at risk but got vaccinated now having heart issues etc

Yep. Every other day at work for awhile one of my coworkers caught it. I was surrounded by hundreds of customers a day during the height of it.

Not getting vaxxed worked great too.

I don't know a single person that hasn't gotten covid at least once. Non down for more then a week or two. I do however know multiple with severe side effects from the vaccine. Just my observations

I don't think I've had it. Had a cold a couple times that could have been covid I guess, but never tested for it.

I'm reading a book now called: The Real Anthony Fauci. It was written by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. It is very eye-opening to say the least.

This ^^ without a doubt. Censorship was/is a huge problem. Its all water under the bridge now, but its not hard to discern the truth, if you really want to look for for it. The companies have admitted that the vaccines dont stop people from getting it. Thats not even debatable now. The data proves it. Two new studies actually show that people who have taken two or three jabs are more likely to get covid.

The elephant in the room is that the unvaxxed aren't dying.

All of this over a virus that has a 98.7% survival rate across the board. Out of everything they did, censoring ivermectin and HQC as treatments was the worst. People died because of it.

Have you talked to our mutual friend lately ?? The 3rd jab almost killed him. He has his trapline for sale now.

Ken Smith is right about myocarditis. Its not a good diagnoses especially for young folks. Lifespan wont be normal thats for sure.

BTW I have traveled all over the USA twice now, not vaxxed and never had an issue.

IGY6

Hey Yukon how did you get into the US without a Vax pass?

I never got a shot and am healthy. Even had the vid with minimal problems. Didn't feel sick enough to stop working, but was forced to take a two week vacation, sure got a lot done around the farm though.
Two older brothers got the shot and boosters.
One is dead at 58, died shortly after the booster. I talked to him after he got the booster shot and he said something was off and he didn't feel good, he was dead a couple days later.
Other brother was one of the healthiest 60 year old men I have known, athletic type and never sick. He has been sickly the past two years and is now on week 2 of hiding in his motel room with the covid. Said he is bad sick and I never seen him get down like this before the past couple of years.
I will never be getting the shot or encouraging anyone else to do so.

From openvaers.com Vaccine Adverse events system. 1,505,275 Reports Through January 13, 2023. The graph is all vaccine deaths. Notice a spike any where. Vaers is from the CDC.

I am sure we have no idea how many COVID deaths have occurred. I know a few people who work in some of the most prominent hospitals in our state who were instructed to record COVID as the cause of every death possible and a contributing factor in others, such as motor vehicle accidents. This was directly related to federal reimbursements hospital received for COVID cases (varying by the patients' insurance or Title 19 status). I spoke with two doctors who laughed at the notion that, for some mysterious reason, there seemed to be very few cases of illness or death by seasonal influenza anymore.

In keeping with deceptive and profit driven behavior, Dr. Ben Carson was on some of the Sunday morning news programs recently and mentioned that the vaccine companies could not get emergency approval for a vaccine in an environment in which an effective therapeutic is readily available. That is why they buried and discredited all mention of hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin as effective therapeutics. SO many people who did actually get seriously ill from COVID could have been cleared up in a hurry but doctors were threatened against prescribing those safe and effective drugs. It is a shame and a crime.

Also, somewhere in the process of treating actual COVID patients, many doctors realized that they had killed patients by leaving them on ventilators and on their backs, and learned better treatment techniques, including flipping patients onto their stomachs rather than their backs to help clear their lungs.

I fear that this whole thing was planned, maybe as a test to see how easy it would be to make a population march blindly in lockstep, obeying orders without question.

OpenVAERS
Type of site Anti-vaccine
Founded January 2021
Founder(s) Liz Willner
URL openvaers.com
OpenVAERS is an American anti-vaccine website created in 2021 by Liz Willner.[1][2] The website misrepresents data from the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) to promote misinformation about COVID-19 vaccines.[1][2][3][4]


The VAERS data base is kept by the CDC but openvaers.com is not CDC.

So you have a problem with people using cdc data to bring things to light? The cdc won't raise a fuss about it they would rather bury it.

Nope, but I do have a problem with people misrepresenting data to fit their bias.

covid-biggest scam of the 21 century

Like the global warming hoax ?

I remember when I was doing my internship in Chaplaincy in a major hospital in San Antonio during the beginnings and height of Covid. I heard night after night from the main local TV news that "95% of people in the hospital ICU admits were "not" vaccinated. So the theme on TV and everywhere was "hospitals are filled to the brim (we were and then some) SO GET VACCINATED!"

But I took a few walks through the medical charts day after day, as Covid roared and I'd tally who was vaccinated and who wasn't according to the physician notes. I came up with about 50/50.... vaccinated to unvaccinated in the units. It never really changed in one of America's biggest hospitals (SA is America's 7th largest city).... yet, there it was again on the news..... night after night.......

95%. 95%!!

All lies. I don't know why/who/what about the lies but it was not 95%! It was about 50%!

Do you really believe it was a scam, as in fake? And the whole world was in on it? That no one died?

Overblown, politicised, and mishandled - yes. But a scam?

Exactly - cherry pick data to fit an agenda.
Now don’t get me started on those flat earthers.

Abraham Lincoln once said “don’t believe everything you read on the internet”

I know of no one that died at home from covid. If it was really that bad there would have been homeless dead in the streets. I think the protocall at the hospitals killed most.

X2

Is it possible that the folks you speak of that "did not get COVID" actually did, but were not systematic? Millions upon millions fit that category.

I believe protocol killed my brother.

covid was real. It was also a deliberate release with a purpose which would be why it was a scam. It was a man made bio weapon. When a bio weapon is developed they develop a vaccine at the same time........It was no accident, the vaccines were actually useless and may have been bad for the folks who received them, the way it was handled was to achieve political objectives. Without covid Trump would be potus today. So, yes it was a scam and it was successful at dramatically changing the world we live in.

That would be the only way because they were paranoid and tested every time they sneezed.

I was never vaxxed, I travel to people's homes on an average of 8 unique homes per working day. That's upwards of 2,000 unique exposures per year for two years before I contracted the virus. Had to stay home from work for a week per company rules. Same if you were vaxxed. Had a headache and a bit of a cough. Non-vax works great!

We drove. My wife and I are both US citizens. Dont need a pass. They didnt even ask us one covid question. Getting back into Canada the first time ( last year) was an issue though. Had to quarantine at home for 14 days when we returned, and had to test 3 times during those 14 days.

The reality is we have no idea how many people had covid, let alone died from it. The tests are junk, and have been proven to be junk. Some studies showed they were wrong 90% of the time. How can you base anything off those numbers ?

Do they check or enforce that rule ?

I don’t believe the effects of Covid has killed everybody it is going to yet.

To my knowledge Pete and I never got Covid. It's possible we did around Christmastime this year but it was just a head/chest cold so we didn't bother getting tested.

"infectious disease, in medicine, a process caused by an agent, often a type of microorganism, that impairs a person’s health. In many cases, infectious disease can be spread from person to person, either directly (e.g., via skin contact) or indirectly (e.g., via contaminated food or water).

An infectious disease can differ from simple infection, which is the invasion of and replication in the body by any of various agents—including bacteria, viruses, fungi, protozoans, and worms—as well as the reaction of tissues to their presence or to the toxins that they produce. When health is not altered, the process is called a subclinical infection. Thus, a person may be infected but not have an infectious disease."

So the question I have, is not asymptomatic ( Neither causing nor exhibiting symptoms of disease). covid just a simple infection and not a disease?

Yes Canada enforced the quarantine rules. I wont even get started down that conversation. Most Americans wouldnt believe what they put us through for two years. They literally had the highways blocked 24/7 coming into the Yukon. Alaskans were allowed through for some reasons ( mostly military) ....it was like a bad dream. Some of the small communities wouldnt let anyone in if you didnt live there. I have a couple friends that were fined $750 because they were caught in a store with their mask under their nose....and everyone saw what they did to any church or pastor who crossed the line.....

One thing I would say I learned through all of this.....freedom is a very fragile thing. A smart man will think that over very carefully when they walk into the voting booth...

My wife and I never got vaccinated and never got covid. We never stopped going to work or anything else. Most of my family never got vaccinated. Truth is not being told. Surprise surprise.

Aftter the vaccine I felt 20 years younger-a great thing.
Never worried about anything,like getting the disease or being locked down.Just carried on like before covid.

I guess lots of people are scared of their own shadow.
Scared of covid,scared of the vax,scared of the gubmint,lol.Scared of everything.
Bunch of Chickens,lol.

I never was scared of covid. So i didnt get the jab. You were scared enough to get GMOed

I took a LOT of flack on here for saying i would get worried when the homeless started dying

Even got told they were not dying because all the filth they are exposed to gives them a better immune system. No joke

The troll shows up to get the thread axed....

I never go to doctors. Never will get vax. Trapped from New Mexico to Alabama. Never got sick. Went where ever I wanted. Road with a friend for 130 miles round trip with a guy that had covid a day latter never got sick. If you aint out licking door knobs or getting sneezed on you maybe OK. Get some fake paper work and keep going LOL!!!

boco scares the bejesus outta me....

IMO you were very shrewd in that thinking Danny. The homeless as a whole did not get vaccinated.

I've had this conversation with many good friends. Some vaccinated and some not. Many think the excess deaths are really caused by post effects of Covid. That is, people got it and recovered, but then later are getting the complications after they recovered. Others think it is vaccine induced. I don't know for sure, but I have my opinion.

Either way, whether it be post-covid complications or the vaccine causing these excessive deaths, it is unacceptable This is why, because either straw a person decides draws leaves the Federal Government, the CDC, the NIH, and and the MSM complicit in the deaths of millions of people whatever the cause ends up being. I for one am 100% convinced this was made in a laboratory due to gain of function research that Fauci and the CDC, NIH knew full well what was going on and they lied. So whether it be Covid complications killing people or the vaccine, the government is complicit either way.

Do you mean the effects of Covid itself, or the effects of Government induced mandates?

Either way, I fear you are correct, but I pray you are wrong.

If anyone thinks the excess deaths are caused by post covid effects they are not listening to the science. Two plus two equals four every time. This is to big to hide. Slowly but surely the truth is coming out.

This is worth 11 minutes of your time. https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=667199998519474


This would be funny if the situation wasnt as serious as it is.

https://rumble.com/v26ok3c-scott-ad...ig5OY8wDakv_I5SDZmLdokyzUaNDScCcDueFzdlQ

Ain't no winners or losers in this Yukon. All of us have loved ones we care about.

It is time for people that pushed this to answer the tough questions and be held accountable. Humankind deserves that.

Andy that's rough. I'm sorry

So many people have stories like this. I spent a lot of time talking to everyone I know about the dangers and I don't have anyone close to me that took it. But they all have stories similar to yours. A friend or co-worker or distant relative.