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Excess Deaths #7780042
01/22/23 11:13 PM
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Mr. Dobbins said in a post earlier that if we can discuss this without arguing then it is OK. Below are two videos that I think are important to all of us. How do we protect ourselves and at the same time make sure we get the answers we need?




Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7780050
01/22/23 11:37 PM
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There is a documentary called "Died Suddenly" that is worth a watch.


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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7780052
01/22/23 11:39 PM
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Covid was no accident, it was released for a reason and purpose.



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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7780054
01/22/23 11:56 PM
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I've been watching Dr. John Campbell's videos for some time.
He uses data from CDC and other sources and while he has to watch what he says due to censorship he gets his point across.

There is a lot of odd stuff going on and its odd that the powers that be seem to have no interest on whats causing the excess deaths.

Also of interest is studies ( not in the west) that show the jab effects the heart in people under 20 but again, there seems to be no interest in the west about this.

Ever since Covid hit the stage there has been much info purposely with held and much info that has changed over time. I noticed this right away with politicians saying one thing one month then changing 180 degrees later.
For an example remember Kamala and pedo Joe both refusing to get the jab when Trump was president but later its all they can do but to tell us to all get the jab and all boosters.
Its been my experience in life that people rarely will change positions unless it benefits them in someway.

The total lack of transparency in this whole issue is enough for any independent thinking person to have serious doubt about the "approved" narrative..

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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7780055
01/23/23 12:00 AM
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IMO, this makes the Nuremburg Trials look like a water pistol fight. Lets pray to God these excess deaths end, but if they don't, then all heck is gonna break loose.

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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7780056
01/23/23 12:02 AM
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I'm waiting for the usual suspects to show up and call us names for not getting the shot.

Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7780073
01/23/23 01:02 AM
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I almost died back in October from being vaccinated. I got my 4th Covid shot along with my shingles and flu shot. I got a fever that night, Wednesday, which I expected. Thursday, I still had a fever. Friday I started feeling like I was fading away. I felt disconnected and would get tunnel vision. Saturday I fell down once and continued feeling like I was fading away, mostly when sitting down. My symptoms continued into Monday. I was driving to the Post Office and felt so out of it, I considered pulling off the road into a cornfield. I went home and had Diane drive me to the hospital.

They admitted me into the ER, no waiting, no paperwork. My systolic blood pressure after being worked on, was 240. My blood oxygen level was 71%. They did a large number of tests on me, including 2 CT Scans of my heart, blood sugar, stroke, heart attack markers, red blood cell count, white blood cell count and more. They could find no cause for my symptoms.

They kept me until the next evening when they let me go home with a systolic blood pressure of 180. At 180, you have an 80% chance you will be dead in 10 months. At 240, you can die at anytime.

Since then, I've seen more doctors than I had previously seen in my entire life. All of the doctors and nurses i have asked said that it was bad to get three vaccines at once, even though it's pushed by the pharmacies. Very few wanted to say that it was likely the cause of my problem

I have read a lot of university studies since and between .4% and 6% of the populations of the countries studied had a similar reaction to mine, after receiving the Covid shot, with varying levels of severity. The theory is that in people like me, our immune systems attack our red blood cells hurting their ability to carry oxygen, but not damaging them enough that our bodies kill them and take them out of circulation.

It takes about 6 weeks for your body to replace all your red blood cells. My blood oxygen rate climbed back up about 3 to 4 points a week, until I got RSV, when it dropped back down to 71% again. I've since climbed back up to the low end of a normal oxygen rate.

Governments have done a cost benefits analysis on giving people the Covid vaccines. They know full well that some people will have adverse reactions, like mine and that some people will die from receiving the vaccine. They obviously have concluded that more people will be saved. I agree that most people should be vaccinated. I unfortunately was one of the few with an adverse reaction.

They need to develop a test to see if you will react badly, before vaccinating you.

Keith

Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7780075
01/23/23 01:23 AM
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Wish you the best, Keith.



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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7780076
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I disagree. Less people should be vaccinated. Kids dont need them at all, and 98% of adults below the age of 70 unless obese dont need them and the best part is... they dont work. The drug companies admit it but still pushing the vax. why is that.

Remember Diamond and Silk the conservative black ladies Trump likes to bring on stage. Only one left now and she died from the vax along with many others that didn't need it.

https://rumble.com/v26mm4s-it-does-not-matter-if-you-are-vaxxed-or-not.html


Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7780104
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Keith, that is a stunning terrible commentary. Thanks for the share and I'll pray God carries you through all of it with compassion, mercy and comfort at some level.

Blessings,
Mark


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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7780122
01/23/23 05:56 AM
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Saw some numbers recently come out that 7% of people that got the jab have been hospitalized as a result. For reference, roughly 2% of people that caught COViD were hospitalized.

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Seems to be alot of folks just up and dying from a heart attack.

That football player they got real quiet about wonders me too.

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01/23/23 06:24 AM
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Itís a bad place to be where the truth offends.


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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: hippie] #7780137
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Originally Posted by hippie
Seems to be alot of folks just up and dying from a heart attack.

That football player they got real quiet about wonders me too.

The latter you'll never be told what is was until a lawsuit against the team or NFL is brought

Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7780144
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Keith the blood pressure spike that you mentioned happened to you has happened to several mRNA recipients I know. Many never had blood pressure issues before but are now having to take blood pressure medicine to control it.


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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7780145
01/23/23 06:39 AM
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Wow Kieth, good bless sir. This is a horrible happenstance and no matter how loudly many men on the Internet tried to inform folks the system chose to shut us up and shut us down and that message just didn't get out to everyone. I really pray you get better and that you have the chance to share your story for years to come so other will beware.

God bless


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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7780150
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There is a test you can ask for Kieth it's called a D-dimer test. Check with your Dr, or heart specialist or Lab and see if they will admit you for the test. It test blood clotting on a microscopic level and can be a very good early warning sign for serious issues. The clot shot as we call it is notorious for causing a structure to grow in the blod vessels that will prevent your body from absorbing oxygen. This is why so many thought they couldn't breath after taking it and getting COVID and would go to the hospital not knowing that the "approved treatment" was actually the real danger in the first place. Remdesiver and a ventilator is a death sentence. Basically like being on dialysis. Most don't make it off.

Be blessed. If you need any more.info I'm sure some of us can point you in the right direction.


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Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine....
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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Ken Smith] #7780156
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Originally Posted by Ken Smith
There is a test you can ask for Kieth it's called a D-dimer test. Check with your Dr, or heart specialist or Lab and see if they will admit you for the test. It test blood clotting on a microscopic level and can be a very good early warning sign for serious issues. The clot shot as we call it is notorious for causing a structure to grow in the blod vessels that will prevent your body from absorbing oxygen. This is why so many thought they couldn't breath after taking it and getting COVID and would go to the hospital not knowing that the "approved treatment" was actually the real danger in the first place. Remdesiver and a ventilator is a death sentence. Basically like being on dialysis. Most don't make it off.

Be blessed. If you need any more.info I'm sure some of us can point you in the right direction.

My brother got the remdeathisnear and ventilator which was a death sentence for him. Hospital benefitted financially though since .gov was/is paying big bucks for using those two procedures.

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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7780174
01/23/23 07:27 AM
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The Jab does not prevent it and I am NOT taking it!!! It was never tested enough before being shoved down our throats by Politics!!!


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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7780186
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Beyond vaccines, covid, etc.

This year I got sick 3 separate times, I'm in my younger 30s and missed weeks of work from being sick. My wife was also sick, seemed like all my friends and neighbors were sick. Whatever went around this fall after a year of isolation for most people seemed as bad as covid.

I don't know if we will see the full picture the covid lockdowns had. From kids with mental health problems to increased illness this year plus the economic effects. The response to covid was worse than covid.

Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7780193
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I donít believe this thing is an absolute, which makes it impossible to pick a winner. lol

Canít both sides be winners?

Here is a micro picture, my wife and two kids are vaxed and neither has contracted Covid. Myself and two other kids are not vaxed, we all contracted Covid but experienced mild symptoms. My Dad is vaxed, my mom isnít, neither has contracted Covid to date. He is 86, she is 80.

It appears that there are many factors that go into efficacy of vaccines that time did not permit for perfected trials. If you did what is right for you and it has panned out, be relieved. If not, take what there is to learn from it and govern yourselves accordingly in the future.


-Goofy-
Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7780194
01/23/23 08:12 AM
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I had covid, had shingles, had the flu, had pneumonia. None were especially pleasant but I suspect they strengthened my immune system better than a vaccine would. I dont believe we can trust the information we get from media who get it from CDC. Lady across the street from me got the RNA modifier injection and was hospitalized with covid a couple months later. She lived but barely. Extrapolate what you will from that but at least its not lies.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Excess Deaths [Re: danny clifton] #7780197
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
I dont believe we can trust the information we get from media who get it from CDC.


That could be the understatement of all time.

Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7780205
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In my opinion the best defense against infection, whether viral or bacterial, is a strong immune system. Immune systems get strong by fighting off bacteria and viruses on their own. I suppose it could be argued that flu shots strengthen your immune system by introducing a small amount of a particular virus and letting it fight it but I've never thought it necessary.

I've never had a flu shot and have had the flu twice in 65 years. Once was covid back in Jan of 2019 when it first came to America.

I've been regularly introduced to the "germ" of the week by my school age kids and then their kids. I rarely get sick and when I do the symptoms are usually very mild.

I rarely take any medicine, usually just Vitimin C and sometimes Zycam (Vitimin C and Zinc). I took some elderberry syrup when I had covid.

I believe in letting my immune system function as it was intended.


Eh...wot?

Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7780209
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The video of Ezra levant grilling the ceo of Pfizer on the streets of davos is awesome!!

Must see!

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When your government sets a certain narrative, then works with media to suppress dissemination of any information contrary to that narrative, what could possibly go wrong?

Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7780233
01/23/23 09:41 AM
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I dont know whats happening in the ICUs and ERs in the USA right now, but I know whats happening here and its terrifying. Our daughter just spent the last 6-months in hospitals all over Western Canada finishing up her Advanced Care Paramedic degree. She said its the same story in every hospital she worked at. People are dying from heart attacks and strokes. Young people. She said the doctors and nurses know whats causing it. The vaccines.

Senator Ron Johnson has been leading the charge on this issue from the beginning, and he had a bunch of doctors and data experts give testimony recently that was also terrifying.

I watched the Joe Rogan podcast with Bret Wienstien last night and thats what it was about. Apparently two recent studies have shown that after three doses of the Mrna vaccines your immune system is damaged.

Scary times we are in and you know something is really badly wrong when they keep pushing a vaccine that we now know for certain doesnt even stop you from getting the virus or spreading it.

Dr Peter McCullogh, one of the most published cardiologists in history was on the news last week. He said its time to be blunt, and proceeded to say the vaccines are killing people and a whole lot of people need to be held accountable.

My brother in law had an experience similar to Keiths last April. He wasn't so lucky though he passed away a few days later. Big strong healthy good natured fella that unfortunately believed everything they told him.

We are in a strange place now. We can look back and see who was telling us the truth and who wasnt. There are a bunch of doctors that the country needs to apologize too, they were right all along. The doctors that founded the FLCCC would be a good start. Anyone with any post vaccine problems would be wise to consider doing what they recommend.


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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: J Staton] #7780243
01/23/23 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by J Staton
Originally Posted by Ken Smith
There is a test you can ask for Kieth it's called a D-dimer test. Check with your Dr, or heart specialist or Lab and see if they will admit you for the test. It test blood clotting on a microscopic level and can be a very good early warning sign for serious issues. The clot shot as we call it is notorious for causing a structure to grow in the blod vessels that will prevent your body from absorbing oxygen. This is why so many thought they couldn't breath after taking it and getting COVID and would go to the hospital not knowing that the "approved treatment" was actually the real danger in the first place. Remdesiver and a ventilator is a death sentence. Basically like being on dialysis. Most don't make it off.

Be blessed. If you need any more.info I'm sure some of us can point you in the right direction.

My brother got the remdeathisnear and ventilator which was a death sentence for him. Hospital benefitted financially though since .gov was/is paying big bucks for using those two procedures.



I'm sorry to hear that. It's a drug that was known to cause fluid on the lungs which is exacerbated by the vent and cause people who didn't need to be in the hospital to choke on their own fluids and die. Many Drs and nurses have come out and claimed that the treatment method was akin to the modern day guillotine.


Matthew 7:6 KJV
Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine....
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01/23/23 09:58 AM
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Just so any of the naysayers understand. In modern history the CDC would shut down any vaccine that had a number of just 25 deaths attached to it and scrap the project. But more than 25 people on this site know someone who died from the vaccine or treatment method. This is small forum with very limited number of the population in it. Dr McCullough claims over 400,000 people have died from the vaccine. That's just in the US.


Matthew 7:6 KJV
Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine....
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The vaccine was made to kill people or seriously debilitate them. We warned everyone about this and were then silenced for it.


Matthew 7:6 KJV
Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine....
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Now if you wanna go down the rabbit hole check this out. This is a document that we call a future scenario document. It is a war game that agencies do to prepare for a contrived event. They play it off as "oh we war games this and it happened just how we thought it would", but the truth is they use these documents to prepare their employees for the coming event that they then create.
Check the link below for the SPARS future scenario document and compare this to what actually happened during the COVID event.

SPARS


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Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine....
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The government and it's agencies did similar war games for 911 and the release of COVID, the COVID war game was called Event 201 lead by Bill Gates. The document above is the war game for the government's response with a vaccine.

Last edited by Ken Smith; 01/23/23 10:06 AM.

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Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine....
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Senator Ron Johnson. People in WI are lucky to have him.

https://rumble.com/v20hgiq-please-s...s-roundtable-highlights-with-senato.html


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01/23/23 11:00 AM
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Lot's of people won't be drawing social security now, fits well for broke governments hitting debt ceilings & borrowing like fools....

Just saying.


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Originally Posted by ky_coyote_hunter
Lot's of people won't be drawing social security now, fits well for broke governments hitting debt ceilings & borrowing like fools....

Just saying.


Well the injured ones that don't die but will end up on ss disability will adds some to the rolls. But many of them will likely roll up their sleeve for their 30th booster and eventually be removed from the rolls.

Saw a paper my company put out in the break room last night quoting the cdc recomdations and telling about the new strains and how everyone should get their boosters. And if not vaxed get them asap.

People are still buying and pushing it.

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Originally Posted by ky_coyote_hunter
Lot's of people won't be drawing social security now, fits well for broke governments hitting debt ceilings & borrowing like fools....

Just saying.

Ss disability claims skyrocketed after the vaccine mandates started so...

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Originally Posted by Ken Smith
The government and it's agencies did similar war games for 911 and the release of COVID, the COVID war game was called Event 201 lead by Bill Gates. The document above is the war game for the government's response with a vaccine.

I se you've done your homework Ken.
I have I cousin a step brother and my sisters best friend that all are gone ages 60-62 they died within a year of each other. They each had one thing in common. Every one of my family members that decided to not take the Vax. Have had Covid they are all alive and healthy today. The three deaths that i mentioned were all heart attacks.
Coincidence?
I bealeave we may have more than one pandemic.
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Good discussion!

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Covid killed my Dad but not my Mom. Both in their 80's. Mom never even went to the hospital. Would the shot have saved my dad? Who knows. I think it was just his turn. He was starting to suffer from dementia. To tell the truth I am glad he didnt have to suffer advanced stages of it.

I know multiple unvaxed people that got bad sick from covid. A few that died, but most just had a bad cold and a few never got sick. its weird stuff. Its not hard to think its more likely than not man made.


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Originally Posted by SNIPERBūü¶Ě
Originally Posted by ky_coyote_hunter
Lot's of people won't be drawing social security now, fits well for broke governments hitting debt ceilings & borrowing like fools....

Just saying.

Ss disability claims skyrocketed after the vaccine mandates started so...

Wonder when it's said & done which number is greater?...I know what I'm betting on.


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Was doing some work for a girl in her low 30's that was very healthy . She worked out watched what she ate and her mom talked her into getting the jab . Well now she developed blood clots and figures it's from the shot .

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Many people dont trust the government. I am 1 of them. Many people dont trust doctors. I am 1 of them. If someone wants to take the shot. Let them take it. If some one doesnít leave them alone. WHY? Cant it just be that simple. Without all the arguments???

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Friend of mine faced the choice of the needle or his job... Firefighter for a good sized town nearby. He's 37... and while he isn't an Olympic athlete, he stays in pretty good shape... He has to be able to perform his job.

37 and taking meds for myocarditis. All after getting the poke.

Guess some will quote the old saw about correlation/causation... And there is some truth in that in isolated incidents. But with this there's a trend that can't just be chalked up to coincidence

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Originally Posted by Mike in A-town
Friend of mine faced the choice of the needle or his job... Firefighter for a good sized town nearby. He's 37... and while he isn't an Olympic athlete, he stays in pretty good shape... He has to be able to perform his job.

37 and taking meds for myocarditis. All after getting the poke.

Guess some will quote the old saw about correlation/causation... And there is some truth in that in isolated incidents. But with this there's a trend that can't just be chalked up to coincidence

Mike


The rub is can he preform his job or end up loosing it now?

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I almost died back in October from being vaccinated. I got my 4th Covid shot along with my shingles and flu shot. I got a fever that night, Wednesday, which I expected. Thursday, I still had a fever. Friday I started feeling like I was fading away. I felt disconnected and would get tunnel vision. Saturday I fell down once and continued feeling like I was fading away, mostly when sitting down. My symptoms continued into Monday. I was driving to the Post Office and felt so out of it, I considered pulling off the road into a cornfield. I went home and had Diane drive me to the hospital.

They admitted me into the ER, no waiting, no paperwork. My systolic blood pressure after being worked on, was 240. My blood oxygen level was 71%. They did a large number of tests on me, including 2 CT Scans of my heart, blood sugar, stroke, heart attack markers, red blood cell count, white blood cell count and more. They could find no cause for my symptoms.

They kept me until the next evening when they let me go home with a systolic blood pressure of 180. At 180, you have an 80% chance you will be dead in 10 months. At 240, you can die at anytime.

Since then, I've seen more doctors than I had previously seen in my entire life. All of the doctors and nurses i have asked said that it was bad to get three vaccines at once, even though it's pushed by the pharmacies. Very few wanted to say that it was likely the cause of my problem

I have read a lot of university studies since and between .4% and 6% of the populations of the countries studied had a similar reaction to mine, after receiving the Covid shot, with varying levels of severity. The theory is that in people like me, our immune systems attack our red blood cells hurting their ability to carry oxygen, but not damaging them enough that our bodies kill them and take them out of circulation.

It takes about 6 weeks for your body to replace all your red blood cells. My blood oxygen rate climbed back up about 3 to 4 points a week, until I got RSV, when it dropped back down to 71% again. I've since climbed back up to the low end of a normal oxygen rate.

Governments have done a cost benefits analysis on giving people the Covid vaccines. They know full well that some people will have adverse reactions, like mine and that some people will die from receiving the vaccine. They obviously have concluded that more people will be saved. I agree that most people should be vaccinated. I unfortunately was one of the few with an adverse reaction.

They need to develop a test to see if you will react badly, before vaccinating you.

Keith


I have had two covid shots - the second may have slowed me a little the following day. I have had the Shingrex shingles shot, as has my wife - before covid - and it knocked us down for a couple days. Felt like the flu. But, way preferable to shingles - which I have had one. A friend of ours once said about shingles - I would not wish that on my ex husband.

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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Originally Posted by Mike in A-town
Friend of mine faced the choice of the needle or his job... Firefighter for a good sized town nearby. He's 37... and while he isn't an Olympic athlete, he stays in pretty good shape... He has to be able to perform his job.

37 and taking meds for myocarditis. All after getting the poke.

Guess some will quote the old saw about correlation/causation... And there is some truth in that in isolated incidents. But with this there's a trend that can't just be chalked up to coincidence

Mike


The rub is can he preform his job or end up loosing it now?


Yeah, I've considered that too. He's working now. But I guess time will tell. The crummy part is that he works 2 jobs... Running into burning buildings to save people pays just a little over minimum wage.

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I am no Dr but Drs have admitted to me if you had shingles already the vaccine won't give you any less chance of a recurrence. At least its a real vaccine and not a MRNA. Its made from weakened virus.


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My wife is a nurse and my best friends wife works in the heart center, they are seeing a huge increase of heart related problems in folks who have been vaccinated. My parents took the first two shots and within a week my mother who is 60 and in great health begin having problems with her heart beat. It would drop to the point she could barely walk from the kitchen to the living room and other times it would be racing. They've ran multiple test and cant determine any problems. My dad hasn't had any side effects from the vaccine so far

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The covid vaccines are truly a polarizing issue, and one that very few folks are able to look at objectively. It is very much unfortunate that covid was made a political issue. I am almost 70 yrs old. I took the original shot early on, and a booster. I have a number of health issues that puts me in the high risk category. If you read about most medicines you are now taking, the side effects are alarming. My son is a Dr as is one of my best friends. They both saw a LOT of death and despair in their respective hospitals the first year and a half of covid. In fact, one of them contracted covid early on and is still suffering from long covid. Because of my health condition, they both advised me to take the vaccine, telling me my goal should be to put off getting covid as long as I could - until new treatments were developed and the disease itself would become less deadly over time.

Both my wife and I took the original shot. There was some concern because it was a new vaccine. My hope was many folks would not take the vaccine, so if there were a lot of vaccine takers who went down, there would still be plenty to carry on. I consider myself to be right down the middle on this.

I personally know an 81 yr old lady with COPD who died of covid, a 75 yr old lady with no pre-existing conditions who died of covid, a 62 yr old fit farmer who died of covid, and a 54 yr old fit and healthy fireman who died of covid - all in the first 18 months. I know a 55 yr old fit ex state trooper who spent a yr in rehab recovering from covid, a 45 yr old accountant who has still not been able to go back to work after two years, a 44 yr old electrician BIL who almost died and is still experiencing blood clots from covid and a 55 yr old Dr with long covid. With the exception of the Dr, who had the first covid shot and then tested positive for covid the next day, none of these folks had a covid vaccine before they got covid. In my almost 70 years, I have never personally known someone who died of flu.

I personally know no one who had the covid shot and died - although most of them had covid at sometime. I dont know of any of the vaccine takers who were hospitalized from either the vaccine or covid. I have not taken a vaccine in a couple of years now and dont intend to. Neither me or my wife has ever tested positive for covid. We dont wear masks, we fly on airplanes, we go to foreign countries - we live life like we did pre covid.

My son, the Dr, said he saw an increase in fatal diseases in his work a year or two after the lockdowns and attributes much of that to folks not going to regular checkups and screenings. He especially saw an increase in fatal cancers.

My personal opinion, this was a man created disease, and the politics on both sides made it much worse. I have no intentions of taking another covid booster. I have had a number of anti vaccine folks state that taking the vaccine is a personal choice, and then in the next breath, call me a Karen, and idiot, or bat snot crazy. I dont know any liberals, but I still see the odd person driving in a car alone, wearing a mask. I also know a couple of folks who had to quit their job because they would not take the vaccine.

Very few folks look at this whole debacle through unbiased eyes - and that has greatly made all of this worse.

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Originally Posted by WhiteCliffs


I personally know an 81 yr old lady with COPD who died of covid, a 75 yr old lady with no pre-existing conditions who died of covid, a 62 yr old fit farmer who died of covid, and a 54 yr old fit and healthy fireman who died of covid - all in the first 18 months. I know a 55 yr old fit ex state trooper who spent a yr in rehab recovering from covid, a 45 yr old accountant who has still not been able to go back to work after two years, a 44 yr old electrician BIL who almost died and is still experiencing blood clots from covid and a 55 yr old Dr with long covid. With the exception of the Dr, who had the first covid shot and then tested positive for covid the next day, none of these folks had a covid vaccine before they got covid. In my almost 70 years, I have never personally known someone who died of flu.

I personally know no one who had the covid shot and died - although most of them had covid at sometime. I dont know of any of the vaccine takers who were hospitalized from either the vaccine or covid. I have not taken a vaccine in a couple of years now and dont intend to. Neither me or my wife has ever tested positive for covid. We dont wear masks, we fly on airplanes, we go to foreign countries - we live life like we did pre covid.

My son, the Dr, said he saw an increase in fatal diseases in his work a year or two after the lockdowns and attributes much of that to folks not going to regular checkups and screenings. He especially saw an increase in fatal cancers.



latest I saw from the CDC is that of all the covid deaths only 5% are from covid alone.
The rest had other issues (Comorbidity), the average number of these other issues was 5.

My Dad died from covid, at least thats the story,, he was 89, had a heart defect, pneumonia and dementia. If you'd of seen him in his last 1 year you'd think he was a dead man walking. He was very under weight, just skin and bones. He could not make it from the car in the garage to the kitchen table without stopping to catch his breath at least once. He had fallen in the shower, slipped in the tub and fallen out of bed. The rescue squad was at the house 3 times in one week alone. He, my Mom, my sister, her husband, me and my wife all got the covid around the same time. None of us at the time had the jab (fall of '20) and all of us have recovered with no ill effects.

So lots of anecdotal stories out there.

The biggest issue I see is the lack of care in the side effects of the jab. To admit the problem would be an indictment of the pharmaceutical industry, the medical profession, The CDC, the media and last but not least our Gov't leaders.
So its obvious why this gets little attention.

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Originally Posted by yukonjeff
I disagree. Less people should be vaccinated. Kids dont need them at all, and 98% of adults below the age of 70 unless obese dont need them and the best part is... they dont work. The drug companies admit it but still pushing the vax. why is that.

Remember Diamond and Silk the conservative black ladies Trump likes to bring on stage. Only one left now and she died from the vax along with many others that didn't need it.

https://rumble.com/v26mm4s-it-does-not-matter-if-you-are-vaxxed-or-not.html


There was a researcher who was partially responsible for the development of the RNA Pfizer "vaccine" on NewMax about a month ago. He said there is no reason for any child 12 or under to be getting the shot. One reason is they don't know what the long term effect will be for children. The other reason is that when this age group does contract the virus, they are the least affected; no more than a common cold or mild flu.

Yet, there were commercials trying to make parents sound like it was child abuse if they didn't have their youngsters get the shot. One was a doctor who said she had even had her 6 month old get the shot.


If searching old grandmas at our airports is so important, shouldn't it be this important at our borders too?
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So, this is what we are left with, everyone comparing their personal observations from one to a dozen folks they know, and trying to draw some reasonable conclusions about things. Meanwhile, the folks in charge with reams of data to draw from continue to dole out only what they want us to hear to support the desired narrative. Wouldn't it be great if we could actually trust those in charge, but their past actions, lack of honesty and transparency does not elicit much trust.

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I had a heart attack last April at 36 years old. 100% blockage of the circumflex artery. I took the 1st moderna shot. 6'1'' 220lbs and have always been very active. Never smoked. No, I cant track it back to any family members on either side. My diet.... well i like the good stuff like fried chicken skin and pork chitterlings a few times each spring. I'm blessed to be here to say the least.

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TLDR - but I have 5 friends that were killed by covid. I wish they had tried the shot.

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Some of us tried to warn others .......but it's an uphill battle , fighting against a very powerful and relentless brain washing campaign .


A lot of good info got axed .........deemed as " fake news "


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The Chinese virus was planed!. To kill as many people.

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Originally Posted by Giant Sage
Originally Posted by Ken Smith
The government and it's agencies did similar war games for 911 and the release of COVID, the COVID war game was called Event 201 lead by Bill Gates. The document above is the war game for the government's response with a vaccine.

I se you've done your homework Ken.
I have I cousin a step brother and my sisters best friend that all are gone ages 60-62 they died within a year of each other. They each had one thing in common. Every one of my family members that decided to not take the Vax. Have had Covid they are all alive and healthy today. The three deaths that i mentioned were all heart attacks.
Coincidence?
I bealeave we may have more than one pandemic.
Rich


Yeah Rich is almost as if they faked a pandemic to create one that can't be stopped


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Originally Posted by Mike in A-town
Friend of mine faced the choice of the needle or his job... Firefighter for a good sized town nearby. He's 37... and while he isn't an Olympic athlete, he stays in pretty good shape... He has to be able to perform his job.

37 and taking meds for myocarditis. All after getting the poke.

Guess some will quote the old saw about correlation/causation... And there is some truth in that in isolated incidents. But with this there's a trend that can't just be chalked up to coincidence

Mike


What's horrible about that Mike is that most people don't make it 5 to 8 years after getting myocarditis it's a death sentence


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Originally Posted by walleye101
So, this is what we are left with, everyone comparing their personal observations from one to a dozen folks they know, and trying to draw some reasonable conclusions about things. Meanwhile, the folks in charge with reams of data to draw from continue to dole out only what they want us to hear to support the desired narrative. Wouldn't it be great if we could actually trust those in charge, but their past actions, lack of honesty and transparency does not elicit much trust.

We should never trust anyone in charge of govt or big business. You are a commodity and will always be looked at as such. The old timers really knew what was up, too bad the youngsters didn't get the memo


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Originally Posted by AntiGov
Some of us tried to warn others .......but it's an uphill battle , fighting against a very powerful and relentless brain washing campaign .


A lot of good info got axed .........deemed as " fake news "

Yes it's actually more than that. It is a psychological operation against the entire planet mainly the western nations. I used to be illegal to practice psychological warfare against the population of the uS but not anymore. We are sheep being lead to the slaughter and anyone pimping the narrative is doing the world govts work, and unfortunately part of the problem.


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It's not over. There is more to come. The insurance claims of every major insurance provider has skyrocketed and the death stats from the insurance companies are astounding, but the media won talk to you about it because it doesn't fit the narrative.

This is how you soften up the population, and create learned helplessness, then leading to a form of trauma based mind control. Once a population is under these types of psychological controls they are much easier controlled, and will do whatever they're told. Then they'll collapse the economy, start world war 3, and send in a foreign government to clean up our guns. Then they will fully castrate this once great nation, and sell us to the highest bidder.


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If that happens Ken I am taking some with me


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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7780611
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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
I donít believe this thing is an absolute, which makes it impossible to pick a winner. lol

Canít both sides be winners?

Here is a micro picture, my wife and two kids are vaxed and neither has contracted Covid. Myself and two other kids are not vaxed, we all contracted Covid but experienced mild symptoms. My Dad is vaxed, my mom isnít, neither has contracted Covid to date. He is 86, she is 80.

It appears that there are many factors that go into efficacy of vaccines that time did not permit for perfected trials. If you did what is right for you and it has panned out, be relieved. If not, take what there is to learn from it and govern yourselves accordingly in the future.



All of my immediate family is unvaxxed. All except for me and Pete have had COVID, some of them multiple times. ALL are very high risk. None have had symptoms any worse than a cold. My dad caught it the first time a couple weeks after lung surgery. My mom has COPD and a host of other health issues. My Stepdad has COPD and sarcoidosis of the lungs. My grandmother is in her upper 80s. And they were all fine. My dad's brother got jabbed and has been in and out of the hospital constantly for all sorts of issues ever since.

My mom and stepdad currently have Covid again but so far so good.


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My opinion is... No one is right or wrong. Covid effects people differently based on many things same as the shot does. Pick your poison and leave everyone else alone. It's the same as politics and religion, you're not changing anyone's mind, just talking to hear yourself talk.

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The problem was the mandateís

Forcing folks too get vaccinated for work/travel/enter buildings/attend events etc

Young people, healthy people where never at risk

They knew this early on. Very early

But they still pushed the vaccine. They are still pushing,,,,

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Originally Posted by ~ADC~
TLDR - but I have 5 friends that were killed by covid. I wish they had tried the shot.


I don't think your experience is average. Of the hundreds of people I know I only know of one personally that died of Covid. The guy that ran the liquor store.


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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: yotetrapper30] #7780642
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
Originally Posted by ~ADC~
TLDR - but I have 5 friends that were killed by covid. I wish they had tried the shot.


I don't think your experience is average. Of the hundreds of people I know I only know of one personally that died of Covid. The guy that ran the liquor store.


3 of the 5 lived less than two city blocks apart. 2 of the 5 were my age or younger. Different strain of the virus maybe?

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Originally Posted by spjones
The problem was the mandateís

Forcing folks too get vaccinated for work/travel/enter buildings/attend events etc

Young people, healthy people where never at risk

They knew this early on. Very early

But they still pushed the vaccine. They are still pushing,,,,



I bet there is almost zero people on trapperman that agree with the mandates, and if there are any, no one will change their minds.

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I got vaxed,travelled to infested cities and hobnobbed all over where people were infested with covid-never got sick.
Vax works great.

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Originally Posted by Boco
I got vaxed,travelled to infested cities and hobnobbed all over where people were infested with covid-never got sick.
Vax works great.

I think the same could be said for folks that didn't get the shots. Or only got some of them.

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Thatís nice

Lots of folks never got vaccinated and never died

Many folks that werenít at risk but got vaccinated now having heart issues etc


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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: trapdog1] #7780661
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Originally Posted by trapdog1
Originally Posted by Boco
I got vaxed,travelled to infested cities and hobnobbed all over where people were infested with covid-never got sick.
Vax works great.

I think the same could be said for folks that didn't get the shots. Or only got some of them.


Yep. Every other day at work for awhile one of my coworkers caught it. I was surrounded by hundreds of customers a day during the height of it.

Not getting vaxxed worked great too.


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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7780663
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I don't know a single person that hasn't gotten covid at least once. Non down for more then a week or two. I do however know multiple with severe side effects from the vaccine. Just my observations

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I don't think I've had it. Had a cold a couple times that could have been covid I guess, but never tested for it.

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I'm reading a book now called: The Real Anthony Fauci. It was written by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. It is very eye-opening to say the least.


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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: AntiGov] #7780675
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Originally Posted by AntiGov
Some of us tried to warn others .......but it's an uphill battle , fighting against a very powerful and relentless brain washing campaign .


A lot of good info got axed .........deemed as " fake news "


This ^^ without a doubt. Censorship was/is a huge problem. Its all water under the bridge now, but its not hard to discern the truth, if you really want to look for for it. The companies have admitted that the vaccines dont stop people from getting it. Thats not even debatable now. The data proves it. Two new studies actually show that people who have taken two or three jabs are more likely to get covid.

The elephant in the room is that the unvaxxed aren't dying.

All of this over a virus that has a 98.7% survival rate across the board. Out of everything they did, censoring ivermectin and HQC as treatments was the worst. People died because of it.


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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Boco] #7780683
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Originally Posted by Boco
I got vaxed,travelled to infested cities and hobnobbed all over where people were infested with covid-never got sick.
Vax works great.



Have you talked to our mutual friend lately ?? The 3rd jab almost killed him. He has his trapline for sale now.

Ken Smith is right about myocarditis. Its not a good diagnoses especially for young folks. Lifespan wont be normal thats for sure.

BTW I have traveled all over the USA twice now, not vaxxed and never had an issue.

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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: danny clifton] #7780685
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
If that happens Ken I am taking some with me

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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: yukon254] #7780689
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Hey Yukon how did you get into the US without a Vax pass?

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I never got a shot and am healthy. Even had the vid with minimal problems. Didn't feel sick enough to stop working, but was forced to take a two week vacation, sure got a lot done around the farm though.
Two older brothers got the shot and boosters.
One is dead at 58, died shortly after the booster. I talked to him after he got the booster shot and he said something was off and he didn't feel good, he was dead a couple days later.
Other brother was one of the healthiest 60 year old men I have known, athletic type and never sick. He has been sickly the past two years and is now on week 2 of hiding in his motel room with the covid. Said he is bad sick and I never seen him get down like this before the past couple of years.
I will never be getting the shot or encouraging anyone else to do so.

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From openvaers.com Vaccine Adverse events system. 1,505,275 Reports Through January 13, 2023. The graph is all vaccine deaths. Notice a spike any where. Vaers is from the CDC.
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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: MJM] #7780719
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I am sure we have no idea how many COVID deaths have occurred. I know a few people who work in some of the most prominent hospitals in our state who were instructed to record COVID as the cause of every death possible and a contributing factor in others, such as motor vehicle accidents. This was directly related to federal reimbursements hospital received for COVID cases (varying by the patients' insurance or Title 19 status). I spoke with two doctors who laughed at the notion that, for some mysterious reason, there seemed to be very few cases of illness or death by seasonal influenza anymore.

In keeping with deceptive and profit driven behavior, Dr. Ben Carson was on some of the Sunday morning news programs recently and mentioned that the vaccine companies could not get emergency approval for a vaccine in an environment in which an effective therapeutic is readily available. That is why they buried and discredited all mention of hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin as effective therapeutics. SO many people who did actually get seriously ill from COVID could have been cleared up in a hurry but doctors were threatened against prescribing those safe and effective drugs. It is a shame and a crime.

Also, somewhere in the process of treating actual COVID patients, many doctors realized that they had killed patients by leaving them on ventilators and on their backs, and learned better treatment techniques, including flipping patients onto their stomachs rather than their backs to help clear their lungs.

I fear that this whole thing was planned, maybe as a test to see how easy it would be to make a population march blindly in lockstep, obeying orders without question.


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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: MJM] #7780722
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OpenVAERS
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OpenVAERS is an American anti-vaccine website created in 2021 by Liz Willner.[1][2] The website misrepresents data from the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) to promote misinformation about COVID-19 vaccines.[1][2][3][4]


The VAERS data base is kept by the CDC but openvaers.com is not CDC.


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Originally Posted by Average Joe

OpenVAERS
Type of site Anti-vaccine
Founded January 2021
Founder(s) Liz Willner
URL openvaers.com
OpenVAERS is an American anti-vaccine website created in 2021 by Liz Willner.[1][2] The website misrepresents data from the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) to promote misinformation about COVID-19 vaccines.[1][2][3][4]


The VAERS data base is kept by the CDC but openvaers.com is not CDC.




So you have a problem with people using cdc data to bring things to light? The cdc won't raise a fuss about it they would rather bury it.

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Nope, but I do have a problem with people misrepresenting data to fit their bias.


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covid-biggest scam of the 21 century



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Originally Posted by Average Joe
Nope, but I do have a problem with people misrepresenting data to fit their bias.



Like the global warming hoax ?


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I remember when I was doing my internship in Chaplaincy in a major hospital in San Antonio during the beginnings and height of Covid. I heard night after night from the main local TV news that "95% of people in the hospital ICU admits were "not" vaccinated. So the theme on TV and everywhere was "hospitals are filled to the brim (we were and then some) SO GET VACCINATED!"

But I took a few walks through the medical charts day after day, as Covid roared and I'd tally who was vaccinated and who wasn't according to the physician notes. I came up with about 50/50.... vaccinated to unvaccinated in the units. It never really changed in one of America's biggest hospitals (SA is America's 7th largest city).... yet, there it was again on the news..... night after night.......

95%. 95%!!

All lies. I don't know why/who/what about the lies but it was not 95%! It was about 50%!


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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Marty] #7780739
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Originally Posted by Marty
covid-biggest scam of the 21 century


Do you really believe it was a scam, as in fake? And the whole world was in on it? That no one died?

Overblown, politicised, and mishandled - yes. But a scam?


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Originally Posted by AntiGov
Originally Posted by Average Joe
Nope, but I do have a problem with people misrepresenting data to fit their bias.



Like the global warming hoax ?



Exactly - cherry pick data to fit an agenda.
Now donít get me started on those flat earthers.

Abraham Lincoln once said ďdonít believe everything you read on the internetĒ


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I know of no one that died at home from covid. If it was really that bad there would have been homeless dead in the streets. I think the protocall at the hospitals killed most.

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Originally Posted by riverratdm
I know of no one that died at home from covid. If it was really that bad there would have been homeless dead in the streets. I think the protocall at the hospitals killed most.



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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
I donít believe this thing is an absolute, which makes it impossible to pick a winner. lol

Canít both sides be winners?

Here is a micro picture, my wife and two kids are vaxed and neither has contracted Covid. Myself and two other kids are not vaxed, we all contracted Covid but experienced mild symptoms. My Dad is vaxed, my mom isnít, neither has contracted Covid to date. He is 86, she is 80.

It appears that there are many factors that go into efficacy of vaccines that time did not permit for perfected trials. If you did what is right for you and it has panned out, be relieved. If not, take what there is to learn from it and govern yourselves accordingly in the future.


Is it possible that the folks you speak of that "did not get COVID" actually did, but were not systematic? Millions upon millions fit that category.

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Originally Posted by riverratdm
I know of no one that died at home from covid. If it was really that bad there would have been homeless dead in the streets. I think the protocall at the hospitals killed most.

I believe protocol killed my brother.


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Originally Posted by Average Joe
Originally Posted by Marty
covid-biggest scam of the 21 century


Do you really believe it was a scam, as in fake? And the whole world was in on it? That no one died?

Overblown, politicised, and mishandled - yes. But a scam?


covid was real. It was also a deliberate release with a purpose which would be why it was a scam. It was a man made bio weapon. When a bio weapon is developed they develop a vaccine at the same time........It was no accident, the vaccines were actually useless and may have been bad for the folks who received them, the way it was handled was to achieve political objectives. Without covid Trump would be potus today. So, yes it was a scam and it was successful at dramatically changing the world we live in.



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Originally Posted by 52Carl
Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
I donít believe this thing is an absolute, which makes it impossible to pick a winner. lol

Canít both sides be winners?

Here is a micro picture, my wife and two kids are vaxed and neither has contracted Covid. Myself and two other kids are not vaxed, we all contracted Covid but experienced mild symptoms. My Dad is vaxed, my mom isnít, neither has contracted Covid to date. He is 86, she is 80.

It appears that there are many factors that go into efficacy of vaccines that time did not permit for perfected trials. If you did what is right for you and it has panned out, be relieved. If not, take what there is to learn from it and govern yourselves accordingly in the future.


Is it possible that the folks you speak of that "did not get COVID" actually did, but were not systematic? Millions upon millions fit that category.


That would be the only way because they were paranoid and tested every time they sneezed.


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Originally Posted by Boco
I got vaxed,travelled to infested cities and hobnobbed all over where people were infested with covid-never got sick.
Vax works great.

I was never vaxxed, I travel to people's homes on an average of 8 unique homes per working day. That's upwards of 2,000 unique exposures per year for two years before I contracted the virus. Had to stay home from work for a week per company rules. Same if you were vaxxed. Had a headache and a bit of a cough. Non-vax works great!


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Originally Posted by RustyShacklefrd
Hey Yukon how did you get into the US without a Vax pass?


We drove. My wife and I are both US citizens. Dont need a pass. They didnt even ask us one covid question. Getting back into Canada the first time ( last year) was an issue though. Had to quarantine at home for 14 days when we returned, and had to test 3 times during those 14 days.

The reality is we have no idea how many people had covid, let alone died from it. The tests are junk, and have been proven to be junk. Some studies showed they were wrong 90% of the time. How can you base anything off those numbers ?

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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: yukon254] #7780768
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Originally Posted by yukon254
Originally Posted by RustyShacklefrd
Hey Yukon how did you get into the US without a Vax pass?


We drove. My wife and I are both US citizens. Dont need a pass. They didnt even ask us one covid question. Getting back into Canada the first time ( last year) was an issue though. Had to quarantine at home for 14 days when we returned, and had to test 3 times during those 14 days.



Do they check or enforce that rule ?


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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7780769
01/23/23 09:51 PM
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I donít believe the effects of Covid has killed everybody it is going to yet.


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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7780771
01/23/23 09:55 PM
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To my knowledge Pete and I never got Covid. It's possible we did around Christmastime this year but it was just a head/chest cold so we didn't bother getting tested.


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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7780773
01/23/23 09:59 PM
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"infectious disease, in medicine, a process caused by an agent, often a type of microorganism, that impairs a personís health. In many cases, infectious disease can be spread from person to person, either directly (e.g., via skin contact) or indirectly (e.g., via contaminated food or water).

An infectious disease can differ from simple infection, which is the invasion of and replication in the body by any of various agentsóincluding bacteria, viruses, fungi, protozoans, and wormsóas well as the reaction of tissues to their presence or to the toxins that they produce. When health is not altered, the process is called a subclinical infection. Thus, a person may be infected but not have an infectious disease."

So the question I have, is not asymptomatic ( Neither causing nor exhibiting symptoms of disease). covid just a simple infection and not a disease?


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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7780776
01/23/23 10:04 PM
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Yes Canada enforced the quarantine rules. I wont even get started down that conversation. Most Americans wouldnt believe what they put us through for two years. They literally had the highways blocked 24/7 coming into the Yukon. Alaskans were allowed through for some reasons ( mostly military) ....it was like a bad dream. Some of the small communities wouldnt let anyone in if you didnt live there. I have a couple friends that were fined $750 because they were caught in a store with their mask under their nose....and everyone saw what they did to any church or pastor who crossed the line.....

One thing I would say I learned through all of this.....freedom is a very fragile thing. A smart man will think that over very carefully when they walk into the voting booth...


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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7780778
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My wife and I never got vaccinated and never got covid. We never stopped going to work or anything else. Most of my family never got vaccinated. Truth is not being told. Surprise surprise.


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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7780785
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Aftter the vaccine I felt 20 years younger-a great thing.
Never worried about anything,like getting the disease or being locked down.Just carried on like before covid.

I guess lots of people are scared of their own shadow.
Scared of covid,scared of the vax,scared of the gubmint,lol.Scared of everything.
Bunch of Chickens,lol.


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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7780788
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I never was scared of covid. So i didnt get the jab. You were scared enough to get GMOed

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I took a LOT of flack on here for saying i would get worried when the homeless started dying

Even got told they were not dying because all the filth they are exposed to gives them a better immune system. No joke

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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Boco] #7780790
01/23/23 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
Aftter the vaccine I felt 20 years younger-a great thing.
Never worried about anything,like getting the disease or being locked down.Just carried on like before covid.

I guess lots of people are scared of their own shadow.
Scared of covid,scared of the vax,scared of the gubmint,lol.Scared of everything.
Bunch of Chickens,lol.




The troll shows up to get the thread axed....


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01/23/23 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
Aftter the vaccine I felt 20 years younger-a great thing.
Never worried about anything,like getting the disease or being locked down.Just carried on like before covid.

I guess lots of people are scared of their own shadow.
Scared of covid,scared of the vax,scared of the gubmint,lol.Scared of everything.
Bunch of Chickens,lol.


I never go to doctors. Never will get vax. Trapped from New Mexico to Alabama. Never got sick. Went where ever I wanted. Road with a friend for 130 miles round trip with a guy that had covid a day latter never got sick. If you aint out licking door knobs or getting sneezed on you maybe OK. Get some fake paper work and keep going LOL!!!

Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7780792
01/23/23 10:32 PM
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boco scares the bejesus outta me.... laugh



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01/23/23 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
I took a LOT of flack on here for saying i would get worried when the homeless started dying

Even got told they were not dying because all the filth they are exposed to gives them a better immune system. No joke



IMO you were very shrewd in that thinking Danny. The homeless as a whole did not get vaccinated.

I've had this conversation with many good friends. Some vaccinated and some not. Many think the excess deaths are really caused by post effects of Covid. That is, people got it and recovered, but then later are getting the complications after they recovered. Others think it is vaccine induced. I don't know for sure, but I have my opinion.

Either way, whether it be post-covid complications or the vaccine causing these excessive deaths, it is unacceptable This is why, because either straw a person decides draws leaves the Federal Government, the CDC, the NIH, and and the MSM complicit in the deaths of millions of people whatever the cause ends up being. I for one am 100% convinced this was made in a laboratory due to gain of function research that Fauci and the CDC, NIH knew full well what was going on and they lied. So whether it be Covid complications killing people or the vaccine, the government is complicit either way.

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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
I donít believe the effects of Covid has killed everybody it is going to yet.


Do you mean the effects of Covid itself, or the effects of Government induced mandates?

Either way, I fear you are correct, but I pray you are wrong.

Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7780820
01/23/23 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Chancey
Originally Posted by danny clifton
I took a LOT of flack on here for saying i would get worried when the homeless started dying

Even got told they were not dying because all the filth they are exposed to gives them a better immune system. No joke



IMO you were very shrewd in that thinking Danny. The homeless as a whole did not get vaccinated.

I've had this conversation with many good friends. Some vaccinated and some not. Many think the excess deaths are really caused by post effects of Covid. That is, people got it and recovered, but then later are getting the complications after they recovered. Others think it is vaccine induced. I don't know for sure, but I have my opinion.

Either way, whether it be post-covid complications or the vaccine causing these excessive deaths, it is unacceptable This is why, because either straw a person decides draws leaves the Federal Government, the CDC, the NIH, and and the MSM complicit in the deaths of millions of people whatever the cause ends up being. I for one am 100% convinced this was made in a laboratory due to gain of function research that Fauci and the CDC, NIH knew full well what was going on and they lied. So whether it be Covid complications killing people or the vaccine, the government is complicit either way.



If anyone thinks the excess deaths are caused by post covid effects they are not listening to the science. Two plus two equals four every time. This is to big to hide. Slowly but surely the truth is coming out.

This is worth 11 minutes of your time. https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=667199998519474


This would be funny if the situation wasnt as serious as it is.

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Ain't no winners or losers in this Yukon. All of us have loved ones we care about.

It is time for people that pushed this to answer the tough questions and be held accountable. Humankind deserves that.

Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Andrew Eastwood] #7780830
01/23/23 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Andrew Eastwood
I never got a shot and am healthy. Even had the vid with minimal problems. Didn't feel sick enough to stop working, but was forced to take a two week vacation, sure got a lot done around the farm though.
Two older brothers got the shot and boosters.
One is dead at 58, died shortly after the booster. I talked to him after he got the booster shot and he said something was off and he didn't feel good, he was dead a couple days later.
Other brother was one of the healthiest 60 year old men I have known, athletic type and never sick. He has been sickly the past two years and is now on week 2 of hiding in his motel room with the covid. Said he is bad sick and I never seen him get down like this before the past couple of years.
I will never be getting the shot or encouraging anyone else to do so.


Andy that's rough. I'm sorry

So many people have stories like this. I spent a lot of time talking to everyone I know about the dangers and I don't have anyone close to me that took it. But they all have stories similar to yours. A friend or co-worker or distant relative.


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Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine....
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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Average Joe] #7780833
01/24/23 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Average Joe

OpenVAERS
Type of site Anti-vaccine
Founded January 2021
Founder(s) Liz Willner
URL openvaers.com
OpenVAERS is an American anti-vaccine website created in 2021 by Liz Willner.[1][2] The website misrepresents data from the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) to promote misinformation about COVID-19 vaccines.[1][2][3][4]


The VAERS data base is kept by the CDC but openvaers.com is not CDC.




No it's just all of the data one the CDC website update every week.


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Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine....
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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: yukon254] #7780839
01/24/23 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by yukon254
Yes Canada enforced the quarantine rules. I wont even get started down that conversation. Most Americans wouldnt believe what they put us through for two years. They literally had the highways blocked 24/7 coming into the Yukon. Alaskans were allowed through for some reasons ( mostly military) ....it was like a bad dream. Some of the small communities wouldnt let anyone in if you didnt live there. I have a couple friends that were fined $750 because they were caught in a store with their mask under their nose....and everyone saw what they did to any church or pastor who crossed the line.....

One thing I would say I learned through all of this.....freedom is a very fragile thing. A smart man will think that over very carefully when they walk into the voting booth...


Pastor Artur Pawlowski is awesome.


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Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine....
-OFBA, NTA, FTA, TTFHA-
Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Boco] #7780841
01/24/23 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Boco
Aftter the vaccine I felt 20 years younger-a great thing.
Never worried about anything,like getting the disease or being locked down.Just carried on like before covid.

I guess lots of people are scared of their own shadow.
Scared of covid,scared of the vax,scared of the gubmint,lol.Scared of everything.
Bunch of Chickens,lol.



That's unfair. See we are allowed to have these conversations if we don't argue. And the guy trying to start something is the one who's safe from everything but your apparently not safe from crapp1ng all over all of the honest guys in here that have testimony of their families and friends dying because of it. And it's not fair that you got the clot shot and rub it in their faces that your fine and better than their dead friends and relatives. They have family and friends that died. You dont have to believe any of the truth but you shouldn't act as though the people that did die and the ones honest enough to tell you about it are frightened because you are fine
It's childish and petty and no one could wish you had their same experiences and issues, so don't make them feel worse for having to live through it.

Your lucky boco. Some others not so much.

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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7780842
01/24/23 12:28 AM
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Right back at you and all those who say that people didnt die from covid,Just because they themselves didnt.

This place aint for only one side of a story.

In case your tinfoil hat is on too tight-the statistics worldwide show millions died from covid.
And many older people who got vaccinated lived but would have died without it.

Last edited by Boco; 01/24/23 12:31 AM.

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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Boco] #7780843
01/24/23 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Boco
Right back at you and all those who say that people didnt die from covid,Just because they didnt.

This place aint for only one side of a story.



I have not hear anyone say no one died from covid. I did hear many feel several died from the protocol they used for treatment. that is fact. I think you just like to argue.

Quick draw out

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No I have my say like everyone else except I aint no sheep following all the wacko tinfoil hatters,Quickdraw.


Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Boco] #7780846
01/24/23 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Boco
Right back at you and all those who say that people didnt die from covid,Just because they themselves didnt.

This place aint for only one side of a story.

In case your tinfoil hat is on too tight-the statistics worldwide show millions died from covid.
And many older people who got vaccinated lived but would have died without it.


Can you post the study you're referring too? I'd like to read it as I'm sure others here would as well..


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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Boco] #7780849
01/24/23 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Boco
Right back at you and all those who say that people didnt die from covid,Just because they themselves didnt.

This place aint for only one side of a story.

In case your tinfoil hat is on too tight-the statistics worldwide show millions died from covid.
And many older people who got vaccinated lived but would have died without it.


That may or may not be true. The fact is we will never know for sure. What we do know, is that the vaccines are not as safe as we were told, and they dont keep you from getting covid. It actually looks like you might be more likely to get it after the vaccine. Two recent studies show that pretty clearly. My mother and father in law are in their 80s and didnt get the jab and they are fine. I think everyone can agree now that covid was dangerous mostly to those with a few other health problems. So is the flu...


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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: grumley701] #7780852
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Originally Posted by grumley701
Originally Posted by Boco
Right back at you and all those who say that people didnt die from covid,Just because they themselves didnt.

This place aint for only one side of a story.

In case your tinfoil hat is on too tight-the statistics worldwide show millions died from covid.
And many older people who got vaccinated lived but would have died without it.


Can you post the study you're referring too? I'd like to read it as I'm sure others here would as well..


Just look around you-all the old folks in the old age homes where covid first broke out before people were vaccinated-most died-a whole bunch in the town down the road.19 i believe.
After the vacines when covid hit the old age homes very few if any died-they may have caught it but it didnt leave a pile of dead bodies behind like it did in the homes where no one was vaccinated.

And antitrappers are just like anti vaxers,They take a statistically miniscule number of dogs killed in traps compared to the millions of trapnights that traps are set all over North America and blow it up to look like every trapper kills dogs on a daily basis

Exactly the same with the antivaxers but what is worse is the weak minded that eat it up as gospel.

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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7780857
01/24/23 01:49 AM
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The people who died before Vax was available 2ere the highest risk group



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I took my Mom in to get tested for covid after my Dad went into the hospital and they found covid.
They gave her a swab in the throat and one up the nose.
I asked why the 2 swabs, I thought up the nose was all that was needed.
They were giving her 2 tests, I wonder if they got paid by the amount of tests they administered.
Anyways I asked what happens if one test says positive and one says negative.
The reply was then she has covid, I asked the obvious question, How do you know the positive test was right and not a false positive.

To which I got a deer in the headlights look and no answer.

Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Marty] #7780876
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Originally Posted by Marty
The people who died before Vax was available 2ere the highest risk group



He is to dug in to use rational thought. To keep this from being axed I have not bothered to respond to him again.

Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Providence Farm] #7780880
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Originally Posted by Marty
The people who died before Vax was available 2ere the highest risk group



He is to dug in to use rational thought. To keep this from being axed I have not bothered to respond to him again.


Yup



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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Boco] #7780923
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Originally Posted by Boco
Right back at you and all those who say that people didnt die from covid,Just because they themselves didnt.

This place aint for only one side of a story.

In case your tinfoil hat is on too tight-the statistics worldwide show millions died from covid.
And many older people who got vaccinated lived but would have died without it.

Actually boco the stats show that most of the people who died from "COVID" actually died from lack of early treatment and ended up in the hospital where the "approved treatment" by the CDC was Remdesiver and a ventilator which is a death sentence even to a healthy person like me.

Believe why you want but don't crap on every person in here who actually had an issue.


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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7780928
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Originally Posted by Chancey
Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
I donít believe the effects of Covid has killed everybody it is going to yet.


Do you mean the effects of Covid itself, or the effects of Government induced mandates?

Either way, I fear you are correct, but I pray you are wrong.


BothÖÖand then some.


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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Ken Smith] #7780933
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Originally Posted by Ken Smith
Originally Posted by Boco
Right back at you and all those who say that people didnt die from covid,Just because they themselves didnt.

This place aint for only one side of a story.

In case your tinfoil hat is on too tight-the statistics worldwide show millions died from covid.
And many older people who got vaccinated lived but would have died without it.

Actually boco the stats show that most of the people who died from "COVID" actually died from lack of early treatment and ended up in the hospital where the "approved treatment" by the CDC was Remdesiver and a ventilator which is a death sentence even to a healthy person like me.

Believe why you want but don't crap on every person in here who actually had an issue.

My brother was told to quarantine, take vitamin C, and zinc. Monoclonal antibodies were available at the time but weren't suggested. Of course at that time the vaccine rate among Arkansans was low and it visibly was upsetting the politicians. About a week after my brothers passing a reporter asked our former RINO about patients being turned away from the hospital without treatment. The governor responded to the reporter that treatment was being offered and referred the question to a hospital director who was on his task force. The director, to the surprise of the former governor, answered that the reporter was right and that patients were being turned away when first presenting symptoms. Within days, monoclonal antibodies became the norm for treating the infected. Given human nature, I often wonder if suggestions for treatment(monoclonal antibodies) were suppressed to increase fatality numbers and scare folks into receiving the jab.

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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Boco] #7780934
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It's not like anything boco says can change the past or anyone's mind who lived through it. I mean there are millions of people who administered d-tap vaccines to their children for school and never had an issue but their positive experience would never sway the opinion of those parents who had their children die or go into a seizure after taking it and waking up autistic.

I got traps to run.

If anyone else has experiences they'd like to share dont let boco slow you down.


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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7780937
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Yeah J Staton that happened everywhere, but the another reason people were turned away was their O2 had to be below a certain point before they could be accepted as a patient because of the protocol. The protocol was more deadly than the virus and just a simple nasal flush with vitamins would have prevented most folks from getting COVID in the lung. Once it's there the monoclonal antibodies and zinc with quercetin was the best option,.and saved many peoples lives.


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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7780949
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Iíll choose the tinfoil hat over the blindfold every time

Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7781056
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Am I the only one that wonders why the Government paid the hospitals so well each set of the way. The more steps the more money. The took in a lot of extra money, for giving people tests, giving them a Vax, admitting them, putting them on a ventilator, claiming they died of covid. Isn't that their job? I wonder what would have happened if they would have been fined for ever positive test and death. It was a well though out plan to lower the world population, steal an election, get rich doing it, and it is not over.


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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: MJM] #7781071
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Originally Posted by MJM
Am I the only one that wonders why the Government paid the hospitals so well each set of the way. The more steps the more money. The took in a lot of extra money, for giving people tests, giving them a Vax, admitting them, putting them on a ventilator, claiming they died of covid. Isn't that their job? I wonder what would have happened if they would have been fined for ever positive test and death. It was a well though out plan to lower the world population, steal an election, get rich doing it, and it is not over.


Your last words said it all, part of that will be the reckoning...I wouldn't give a bucket of rotten coyote urine for the future of those responsible, when the light of truth shines on them.


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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7781085
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You do realize hospitals were losing money because their regular patients were not allowed to be treated. You can lose money because of the government, or you can offset the loss by taking government money for covid. How many of you burned your government checks even though many of you were not financially impacted by the government response to covid?

The hospitals doing this certainly skewed the data.


Who is John Galt?
Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7781098
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Wait, the government sent out checks?

And where did that money come from?

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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: spjones] #7781112
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Originally Posted by spjones
Iíll choose the tinfoil hat over the blindfold every time

One can all ways choose to take off the tinfoil hat. But. Most often being blind is permanent!!

Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Dirt] #7781126
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Originally Posted by Dirt
You do realize hospitals were losing money because their regular patients were not allowed to be treated. You can lose money because of the government, or you can offset the loss by taking government money for covid. How many of you burned your government checks even though many of you were not financially impacted by the government response to covid?

The hospitals doing this certainly skewed the data.

The question is did profit outweigh patients lives with hospital administration? Ventilator equaled 35 grand and administering remdeathisnear equaled 20 percent extra of the total bill even when given to patients, such as my brother, well past the time for the effectiveness of said early treatment.


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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Dirt] #7781149
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Originally Posted by Dirt
How many of you burned your government checks even though many of you were not financially impacted by the government response to covid?


I didnít burn the checks, I gave them away. I donít want any stinking government handouts.


Eh...wot?

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Originally Posted by Dirt
You do realize hospitals were losing money because their regular patients were not allowed to be treated. You can lose money because of the government, or you can offset the loss by taking government money for covid. How many of you burned your government checks even though many of you were not financially impacted by the government response to covid?

The hospitals doing this certainly skewed the data.


Hmm, Im not so sure about the losing money part. Had a hunter that managed a bunch of hospitals in Texas last fall. He said they made money hand over fist during the covid years. When i asked him if the payments from the Feds for every covid patient might have skewed the overall numbers he just smiled.

The entire payment system during covid was a made in heaven deal for a lot of hospitals. The more positive tests they had the more money they made. What could possibly go wrong with that??

They are reporting now that employment insurance lost 60 billion during covid, most of it scammed. Who's paying that back?


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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7781229
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At this point, the only "fringe minority" are those who still trust this government

Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7781244
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Just read every post on this thread and there are some really sad and unfortunate circumstances for many.

My wife, kids and I did not take the Covid vaccines for several reasons, many of which have been mentioned already.

Kids all ended up testing positive, mild symptoms, over it in a few days. Wife tested positive shortly after the kids, not bad the first week, but the 2nd week she got hit hard. Lots of brain fog, very emotional, weak, no energy and loss of taste and smell. She got through it like most everyone else but "hair loss" has been a continuing battle for her. She said it was the worst she ever felt. Obviously I was in "close contact", but tested three separate times and never was positive. I guess I contracted it at some point because I realized I had lost my smell after trying to help my wife "retrain" her sense of smell with essential oils. This was months after she got over it. Her grandmother was in a nursing home when this all jumped off so she had to get vaccinated, she died a couple weeks later. They are all convinced the vaccine was responsible for her death. My niece developed Bells Palsy months after her vaccination, but she seems healthy otherwise.

There is no doubt Covid killed people, but I think you heard more about the "healthy" ones dying which helped build the fear around this virus. I talked to countless parents that "had" to get their kids vaxxed to save them from the virus.

I took some ridicule at work about not taking it when it was offered, I didnt sweat it though..

"Safe and effective" LIE
Get vaxxed and you cant catch Covid LIE
Get vaxxed and you cant transmit Covid LIE
Natural immunity IS NOT enough LIE
Vaccine provides more protection than natural immunity LIE

Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine are NOT safe LIE
Remdesevir is safe LIE

Pfizer wanted 75 years to turn over research docs..... TRUE

We could go on and on....

Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7781278
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People laugh but lots of Southern folks take it = as a proventitive measurement

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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7781291
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This is like the ignorance Olympics around here lol

No 7% of people that are boxed arenít hospitalized.

Died suddenly is a joke. With many of the ďvictimsĒ family literally coming out to comment that there family members werenít even vaxxed. Also many of the people that just collapsed had other completely unrelated heath issues.


Excess deaths are far higher is states with LOW vaccines rates.


Think beyond right or left don't be guilty of group think.
Re: Excess Deaths [Re: steeltraps] #7781293
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Originally Posted by steeltraps
People laugh but lots of Southern folks take it = as a proventitive measurement

There is a reason the south lost the war. This is it


Think beyond right or left don't be guilty of group think.
Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7781294
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So don't get boxed, I guess?

Re: Excess Deaths [Re: steeltraps] #7781298
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Originally Posted by steeltraps
People laugh but lots of Southern folks take it = as a proventitive measurement


I do the same steeltraps.

Re: Excess Deaths [Re: WANNABE-TRAPPER] #7781300
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Originally Posted by WANNABE-TRAPPER
Originally Posted by steeltraps
People laugh but lots of Southern folks take it = as a proventitive measurement

There is a reason the south lost the war. This is it

Beat we dont lose the next 1 Only reason the South lost the first time was = lack of fire power. Thata has changed now. We have LOTS of AR 15s and Ammo now! LoL!

Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7781321
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I think the same problem will resurface if there is another. Lack of resupply. Government forces will likely get aid from Europe. If it happens, the snakes head needs cut off in the first few days.

Lincoln sat up on a hill watching the battle at Gettysburg and nobody thought to concentrate all their cannon fire there


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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: danny clifton] #7781326
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Covid. Abortion. Gun Control. I am afraid 1 of the 3 may lead us into civil war. But then again. We have so many issues we are divided on. Shame. People cant just mind their own bussiness and let others take care of thereís

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Sadly I don't believe any of the three letter gov. agencies as they have all been guilty of lying to the people of USA and the world. When people start going to prison I'll start to listen.

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Originally Posted by Rat Masterson
Sadly I don't believe any of the three letter gov. agencies as they have all been guilty of lying to the people of USA and the world. When people start going to prison I'll start to listen.


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Originally Posted by danny clifton
I think the same problem will resurface if there is another. Lack of resupply. Government forces will likely get aid from Europe. If it happens, the snakes head needs cut off in the first few days.

Lincoln sat up on a hill watching the battle at Gettysburg and nobody thought to concentrate all their cannon fire there


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The next twelve months will be interesting to see how all this plays out.

Re: Excess Deaths [Re: yotetrapper30] #7781650
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30


All of my immediate family is unvaxxed. All except for me and Pete have had COVID, some of them multiple times. ALL are very high risk. None have had symptoms any worse than a cold. My dad caught it the first time a couple weeks after lung surgery. My mom has COPD and a host of other health issues. My Stepdad has COPD and sarcoidosis of the lungs. My grandmother is in her upper 80s. And they were all fine. My dad's brother got jabbed and has been in and out of the hospital constantly for all sorts of issues ever since.

My mom and stepdad currently have Covid again but so far so good.


Well 24 hours later, (Day 5 for stepdad and Day 3 for Mom).... Step-dad going back to work tomorrow, Mom said she feels pretty much normal. Both very high risk, unvaxxed.

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Originally Posted by spjones
Iíll choose the tinfoil hat over the blindfold every time

Love this


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Originally Posted by spjones
At this point, the only "fringe minority" are those who still trust this government


Cringe minority


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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: spjones] #7781744
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Originally Posted by spjones
Iíll choose the tinfoil hat over the blindfold every time



LIKE. wink


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Originally Posted by steeltraps
Originally Posted by spjones
Iíll choose the tinfoil hat over the blindfold every time

One can all ways choose to take off the tinfoil hat. But. Most often being blind is permanent!!


Ain't that the truth!!!!!


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Grousewit I quoted Marty whom was responding to Baco. That should give you the idea that I was referring to baco being to far dug in.

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For those who think the whole thing was a population control test, did it pass or fail?


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And most military installations are in the south..

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For those who think the whole thing was a population control test, did it pass or fail?


It was to determine who was compliant. not pass/fail


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I always thought covid was a biological attack by the Chinese in response to the tariffs placed upon them. Opportunity was seized by the political left, both democrat and republican, to rid themselves of an orange menace. In the process enriching their donors and themselves with the introduction of an 'experimental' vaccine that would save us all. They also, in the hunger for power, wrestled yet more liberty from 'the People' not with force but fear.


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So forget about HIPPA?


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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7781793
01/25/23 06:57 AM
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Except J Staton, The U.S. was involved too. It was an experiment. See how many believed the talking heads on TV in spite of evidence to the contrary.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7781798
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True Danny. If I'm not mistaken, .gov owns like 49% of the patent for the mRNA vaccine. Not to mention the gain of function research in Wuhan.


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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7781804
01/25/23 07:20 AM
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My Brother chose the tinfoil hat and now has heart troubles.
My gal friend was forced into a tinfoil hat since she's a nurse. She now has high blood pressure. What happened to "my body my choice?


Life ain't supposed to be easy.
Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Gary Benson] #7781815
01/25/23 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Gary Benson
My Brother chose the tinfoil hat and now has heart troubles.
My gal friend was forced into a tinfoil hat since she's a nurse. She now has high blood pressure. What happened to "my body my choice?

Now I'm confused or you are? Or maybe in reading your post wrong its late or early after several 16 hr night shifts im not sure. I thought the tin foil refers to the conspiracy theory the Vax is bad for you and the government lies group I belong to.

The blind fold is the group that buys what the government and news is selling despite all the evidence thay are lying right in front of you.

Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7781816
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My daughter is a nurse. She recently began taking blood pressure meds too. 42 years old (not over weight and pretty active)

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Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7781826
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My son took the first shot. No boosters. This was after he got covid. Covid didnt make him sick. Just lost his taste and smell for awhile. Company paid him to get the shot. Would not pay extra for a booster. So far he has no ill effects.

He was a supervisor at the Kubota plant here when he got covid. Mentioned to his boss at work he couldn't taste anything. They tested him then gave him 2 weeks off with pay. At the end of the two weeks he was fired for coming to work with symptoms. It was the Japanese manager that fired him. Actually worked out pretty good. He is a supervisor for an internet provider now. Likes the job better and makes more money. It was the internet provider that payed a bonus to employees to get the vaccine. Most just took the first shot.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Providence Farm] #7781902
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Originally Posted by Gary Benson
My Brother chose the tinfoil hat and now has heart troubles.
My gal friend was forced into a tinfoil hat since she's a nurse. She now has high blood pressure. What happened to "my body my choice?

Now I'm confused or you are? Or maybe in reading your post wrong its late or early after several 16 hr night shifts im not sure. I thought the tin foil refers to the conspiracy theory the Vax is bad for you and the government lies group I belong to.

The blind fold is the group that buys what the government and news is selling despite all the evidence thay are lying right in front of you.

I'm probly confused. It happens easily. laugh


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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7782274
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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Providence Farm] #7782281
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Grousewit I quoted Marty whom was responding to Baco. That should give you the idea that I was referring to baco being to far dug in.


Sorry for the misunderstanding I removed the post. I agree with you totally.


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I heard today the CDC is going to do an investigation into all the deaths and claims of the jab being responsible. Anyone want to make a bet on the outcome of that?


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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7782333
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LoL, CDC ,= joke

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CDC investigation = Fox guarding the hen-house for sure, there needs to be several independent investigations.


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So now Project Veritas has a Phizer executive on tape talking about them mutating the covid virus so its a never ending cash cow.
https://www.projectveritas.com/news...ected-evolution-for-company-to-continue/

Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7782476
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The FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if itís unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. More than 667 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through January 18, 2023. During this time, VAERS received 18,769 preliminary reports of death among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine.CDC and FDA clinicians review reports of death to VAERS including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records. Continued monitoring has identified nine deaths causally associated with J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccination. CDC and FDA continue to review reports of death following COVID-19 vaccination and update information as it becomes available.

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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7782557
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What is so disturbing about all of this is that the Gov, CDC, and NHI said repeatedly that everyone needed to be vaccinated to stop the spread. Any one who has ever taken a biology class knows that virus' mutate, especially to vaccines, so why did they keep pushing it?

Answer is simple. It was because of money. The manmade virus dictated a manmade vaccine. Problem is, they were still saying that this virus came from some idiot in China eating a bat at a wet market. Our leaders in government ran with it and lied to all of us. Lyndsey Graham is a disgrace. I remember him harping about that, but can't find video or audio of his stupidity anywhere to post. The powers that be have gotten rid of that on youtube.

Either way, a lot of money was made off people dying and the Gov was involved; whether it be gain of function research or the vaccine.

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For some people the jab was worth the risk because of their health/age.

For some the jab was as big a risk as catching covid because they are healthy/ young.


Neither side that is dug in can see why some people made the decision they did and why any mandate is wrong.

Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7782666
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Woman across the street from me was overweight and diabetic. Got the shot. Got the booster. Got covid. Got hospitalized. She survived. Did she survive cause of the shot? Who knows. Didnt look like it helped bunches from where I sit.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7782734
01/26/23 07:44 AM
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Yeah they made a lot of money from the shot, and the treatment too. Here is a short video report about Fauci's involvement in the funding for all of this.

Fauci Funding Your Destruction


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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Lugnut] #7782954
01/26/23 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Lugnut
Originally Posted by Dirt
How many of you burned your government checks even though many of you were not financially impacted by the government response to covid?


I didnít burn the checks, I gave them away. I donít want any stinking government handouts.


Well that's two of us. I didn't take the money and my customers were banned for two years, so I may have taken a financial hit. smile


Who is John Galt?
Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7782961
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My residential construction and remodeling business was shut down by our PA governor in March of 2020. Come to find out later that his family's cabinet making company continued operations. That shutdown lasted about six weeks before residential construction was changed from a designation of non-essential to essential. I also may have taken a financial hit.



Eh...wot?

Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7782977
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The $ 1.5 trillion in MBS's the Fed bought with new money probably helped you out.


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The government handouts increased the demand for residential remodeling but I was already too busy to take advantage of that. Soon after that the supply chain interruptions caused major shortages and massive price increases on lumber and other building materials.

What helped me out during the six-week shutdown was my property management business that had some vacant apartments that needed remodeling before new tenants could move in. I had been too busy to get to them prior to the governor shutting most of the state down. Except his family's business, cabinet making is very essential don't you know?

That gave me some work and I didn't starve.


Eh...wot?

Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Lugnut] #7783011
01/26/23 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Lugnut
My residential construction and remodeling business was shut down by our PA governor in March of 2020. Come to find out later that his family's cabinet making company continued operations. That shutdown lasted about six weeks before residential construction was changed from a designation of non-essential to essential. I also may have taken a financial hit.

Thankfully. In Alabama = Coyote Trapping = Essential to Agriculture = but to be honest. I would NOT let anyone interfere with my lively hood. Sorry you got a raw deal. Its not fair the way the crooked government
Acts sometimes. One day. It may change

Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Dirty D] #7783279
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Originally Posted by Dirty D
So now Project Veritas has a Phizer executive on tape talking about them mutating the covid virus so its a never ending cash cow.
https://www.projectveritas.com/news...ected-evolution-for-company-to-continue/



Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7783452
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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7783545
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I'm surprised Tim is saying anything as he was so adamant to knock anyone talking about this early on


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Re: Excess Deaths [Re: Chancey] #7783590
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I've been watching Tim for a while now, about the time covid hit. It's been interesting watching his red pill transformation.

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