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Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: walleye101] #7801664
02/18/23 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by walleye101
Are they selling in US dollars?

Euro's in the past maybe USD today. Google Sojuzpushnina and you can see the results, looks like the Kamchatka's did much better than everything else, especially the ranch goods.

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Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7801768
02/18/23 07:06 PM
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Here is a comparison of the skins from different "martens" or better yet; sables.
The two skins in the right (americana and caurina) are from marten I caught and had tanned many years ago. They have oxidized and become much redder than they were originally.

Starting from the left is a Martes martes or pine marten from northern Sweden, next is a Martes zibellina from Siberia Russia, next is a Martes americana from Alaska, and finally a Martes caurina from Washington.
The second picture is their belly sides.

The two most similar are the Alaskan and the Siberian.
The pine marten is definitely the coarsest.

I wish the Alaska marten hadn't turned so red. It was a beautiful dark chocolate brown originally.
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Here is a close-up of the Siberian skin showing some white hairs sprinkled in. Sometimes I get similar skins in SE Alaska. Two years ago I had one of those skins make it in the true "Top Lot" of 20 skins out of 60,000 at Fur Harvester's.
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Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7801782
02/18/23 07:19 PM
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BTW, I know it's a hard habit to break, but North American marten are not "pine marten". It irks me a little when I sometimes even hear biologists call them that.
Calling them that is akin to calling a bobcat a Canada lynx, or visa versa.

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Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7801888
02/18/23 09:24 PM
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A lot of interesting information being shared. Good stuff.


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Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7802315
02/19/23 01:23 PM
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Did you grow up in a family that was involved in trapping, fur selling, fur markets, Tatiana?

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7802344
02/19/23 02:42 PM
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We seem to get the whole range of colour here.

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Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: martentrapper] #7802346
02/19/23 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by martentrapper
Did you grow up in a family that was involved in trapping, fur selling, fur markets, Tatiana?

Nope, I'm a de novo imposter frown I just try to learn what I need for my purposes, both in the woods and in the lab.

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7802358
02/19/23 03:09 PM
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Boco, does that dark one have much, or any throat patch?


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Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7802430
02/19/23 05:56 PM
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It had a few sprinkles of bright orange.The dark ones always seem to have bright orange throat patch.


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Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Boco] #7802463
02/19/23 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
It had a few sprinkles of bright orange.The dark ones always seem to have bright orange throat patch.

Interesting; our darkest ones either have a white or cream colored throat patch, or practically none at all.


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Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7802465
02/19/23 06:49 PM
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Our paler ones have yellow or cream coloured throat patches.


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Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7802546
02/19/23 08:36 PM
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I see both orange and white/cream and combos. Some are much brighter orange than this.


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Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7802658
02/19/23 10:27 PM
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Typical patch colour on the xdk here.


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Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Boco] #7802759
02/20/23 04:46 AM
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Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7802791
02/20/23 07:41 AM
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Outstanding depth of information. Thank you Tatiana.

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7802820
02/20/23 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Tatiana
Originally Posted by drasselt
So what are we looking at here? 4 lots of 4 each, 2 unsold, 1 sold for 135.00 (per skin presumably?) and the lot of 4 silver sable bid at $184???

I'm not sure what 2.2 means in this particular grading system, perhaps tone/clarity, but 184 is the lot number, 4 is the color, on the Soviet state standard 2 to 7 scale, with 2 being the darkest, and 7 the lightest (now sometimes extended to 8 and 9, because of the increased demand for lighter sable, with the color 9 including albinos/canaries), and sil. is silvering/sedina, which is the same as sprinkling in the American grading system, which is graded from 0 to 5 (0 means no white guard hairs, 5 means half of all guard hair is white).

A color 3 or 4, sil. 2 sable is among the most beautiful sable colors, actually, because it is instantly recognizable as natural undyed sable yet dark enough for the sedina to be instantly visible. Higher grades of sedina still command higher prices but subjectively such skins have a grayish, grizzly appearance, and are often not as pretty as grade 2 sedina, which looks like starry night in a garment:)

here's a close-up of a Yakutian color 4 sable with grade 2 sedina:
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Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7802929
02/20/23 11:07 AM
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Very interesting information Tatiana, thank you.
Here is a picture of a couple SE Alaska marten caught a couple of weeks ago. Notice one of them has a white tipped tail. Occasionally a white footed one is caught .

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Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: waggler] #7802982
02/20/23 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by waggler
Occasionally a white footed one is caught .

I see that also. Had one this year. This thread is great

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Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7803294
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Odd one here too with white boots.

Re: Ruspushnina fur auction [Re: Tatiana] #7803413
02/20/23 10:10 PM
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Get the odd one here with orange toes and white tipped tails.
I take the smaller less desireable colours and tan them myself for private sale.

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