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Novice making fermented eggs #7878738
06/05/23 05:33 PM
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When is it done? I stir every couple of days when it it set up...Then it thins when I stir...

I'm in a 1 gal container. Fought off the flies early on. I try to put in the sun when I'm around for the day... [Linked Image]


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Re: Novice making fermented eggs [Re: augdog11] #7878757
06/05/23 06:25 PM
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I don't put mine in sun and don't stir it accept once at the start to break up yolk. I haven't dug into mine but I'm at about ten days and it's probably getting close to done. Probably dig into it at about 2 weeks. Top has been setup for about 5 days now. I got rotten eggs instead of fermented eggs on several attempts before getting a good handle on the process. How long has yours been working and how much expansion have you got? Once it starts setting up properly it starts raising.

Re: Novice making fermented eggs [Re: augdog11] #7878840
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Mine would thin every time I stirred too. Eventually I liked the smell and gave a pinch of sod benz. It set up pretty good after that and has stayed in the same state since then

Re: Novice making fermented eggs [Re: augdog11] #7878849
06/05/23 10:02 PM
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Started May 3rd in a dark part of the garage. I had lots of expansion May 25th. It sets up and thins when i stir. I have sod benz. Just trying to figure out when to add. I've looked at previous posts and followed directions. Maybe the part part of the garage slowed it down. Sounds like I'm where you state sportsman94. I guess my questions is, what is the consistency supposed to be like?


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Re: Novice making fermented eggs [Re: augdog11] #7879033
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I would say mine ended as a thick yogurt consistency. You wouldnt be able to pour it, but its very workable when stirred in with other ingredients.

Re: Novice making fermented eggs [Re: augdog11] #7879102
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Ok. thank you for the information. I'm close, if not there.

I plan on using some all by itself.

What else can you add to it and what would the target be?

I'm doing some tainted beaver bait as well as a tainted chicken bait. I had a successful beaver season, and a farmer friend lost a bunch of chickens i tossed into the freezer.


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Re: Novice making fermented eggs [Re: augdog11] #7879188
06/06/23 12:32 PM
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Best advice I was given (and could give) is to put it in front of a trail camera and see what happens. If you dont have a trail camera then you could always use a sandy area where you can see tracks. Yes Sir made me a believer in testing for myself and I believe its made a difference.

Re: Novice making fermented eggs [Re: augdog11] #7879219
06/06/23 01:41 PM
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Good on you for putting in the work to test. For me make lure or bait and not testing to see what you got is akin to buying a new rifle and taking it hunting without sighting it in.

90% of my testing is still done with dirt holes without cameras. If they won't dig for it they dont want it bad enough for me to use. There's 3 reasons I do so much testing without cameras
1 they are expensive and I don't have enough to cover all my test sets
2 finding a good coyote spot that is also a good camera spot is difficult (the cameras I use are sensitive to sunlight and taller vegetation moving with the Ks winds)
3 And this is the biggest reason for me. I have yet to find a camera under $175 that one doesn't spook coyotes and 2 catches the large majority of the action when a cat or coyote works a test set. The best cameras I've found still miss more than I like which I find very frustrating.

Testing and watching coyotes work sets will help improve a lot of your trapping skills too. Practice makes perfect.

I'll try to post a pic of my fermented eggs when I think they are done. If my process worked correctly I'll know they are done when they quit growing in volume, should be this weekend I'm guessing. They are in the darkest corner of my garage. If all goes right they will be quite a bit thicker than mayonnaise and no preservatives needed. I know they are done when the volume stops increasing.

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Re: Novice making fermented eggs [Re: Yes sir] #7879312
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Yes Sir, did you really mean to say no preservatives needed for cultured eggs?

Re: Novice making fermented eggs [Re: augdog11] #7879319
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I don't add any preservatives to mine and don't have any issues. But I also put the additional ingredients for the formulation I make with them pretty soon after they mature and that might be why I get alone without any preservatives. Looking back at a post about them I did see that Bob said they can continue to mature and change odor over time if not handled properly.

When I started out first batch turned out perfect. Next several turned south on me and I did use SB to stop them but they were more on the rotten egg side than the cultured eggs I was shooting for. Since then I think (knock on wood) I got the process figured out.

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Re: Novice making fermented eggs [Re: augdog11] #7879323
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https://trapperman.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/6628340/1
Try this link. If it works it's got some good information on this topic.

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Re: Novice making fermented eggs [Re: Yes sir] #7879378
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Yes Sir, Ok I see what you are doing and agree if adding some preserved ingredients and or some self preserving materials too the cultured eggs.
You can always add some SB later if needed?
I think a steady temperature, clean container's, moderate temperature's, plus time/days and knocking on wood help's in making cultured eggs.
It sure is a nice base too work with!!!

Re: Novice making fermented eggs [Re: augdog11] #7879670
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I believe I'm there with consistency and can ad SB.

What can I add for various targets? I'm perfectly happy with stand alone for skunk, possum, raccoon and potentially fox.


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Re: Novice making fermented eggs [Re: augdog11] #7879673
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I spank fox, coyote and cat with good egg culture paste bait. All furbearers like eggs. I mean All...... If you get your culture right, it will hammer the predators. I have been using it for almost 50 years now. Those that haven't used it are missing out on its attraction.

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Cultured egg isn't "loud" but when coyotes get a wiff they always have dug for it in my test holes.

Had a large Tom check out a cultured egg test hole this spring in an area I've never seen bobcats.

Will definitely have a cage trap waiting for him next winter with more of the same.

I 100% agree with Bob as it mixes well with other ingredients that make incredible baits.


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Re: Novice making fermented eggs [Re: augdog11] #7879828
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Thank you all for the insight.


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Re: Novice making fermented eggs [Re: augdog11] #7879873
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I have to say I haven't gotten quite the same results as others with the cultured eggs but will say it has some worthwhile secondary advantages I use some in some formulations but would advise everyone to test it on your own and see if you get the effects you desire.

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Those lazy Kansas coyotes eat too well. Too many pack rats, cottontails, voles and wild plums to eat:) I got good results from the Kansas coyotes on our formulated egg bait when I trapped out there. Like I have said before, some single ingredient materials may not test as good as you think or like. Or your testing may be skewed for one reason or another.

But add them into a blend of things, another story. But you will find this out along the way.

Re: Novice making fermented eggs [Re: augdog11] #7879903
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To be clear I use them and like the formulation very well they are in. Planning on trying to develop a grab and pull around them now. They definitely have multiple upsides.

My experience is very few bases I've tried have upper tier attraction by themselves. And some I use more for there secondary benefits and prefer them to be mild in there odor and attraction. With that said I think most formulations the base is important to adding to the complete value of the overall formulation.

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Re: Novice making fermented eggs [Re: augdog11] #7879948
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Sounds good.

I went out to the barn this afternoon and it's a perfect consistency.

I have a few test sites I can use for animal interest.


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