Would this catch?
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Hey I just got done making a dirthole set (practice) I don't even stake down or anything but I was taking pics as I progressed. Let me know if it would catch a fox coyote or bobcat I dint use bait or any urine like that and ain't working about location just practicing making a set. How it looked before I started: ![[Linked Image]](https://trapperman.com/forum/attachments/usergals/2024/07/full-58661-222960-1000048030.jpg) Here's the trap bed: ![[Linked Image]](https://trapperman.com/forum/attachments/usergals/2024/07/full-58661-222963-1000048026.jpg) Here's the trap in the bed. (Does it matter that the bed is bigger than the trap? Or does it need really tight?) ![[Linked Image]](https://trapperman.com/forum/attachments/usergals/2024/07/full-58661-222964-1000048025.jpg) Here's the trap bedded with no wiggle. ![[Linked Image]](https://trapperman.com/forum/attachments/usergals/2024/07/full-58661-222965-1000048029.jpg) Here's the trap with dirt sifted over than I found the pan and packing down dirt even tighter to make sure no wobble was here: ![[Linked Image]](https://trapperman.com/forum/attachments/usergals/2024/07/full-58661-222966-1000048028.jpg) Here's the dirt sifted over and blended. ![[Linked Image]](https://trapperman.com/forum/attachments/usergals/2024/07/full-58661-222967-1000048027.jpg) Here's the dirt hole. It would be 10x more deep in real set. ![[Linked Image]](https://trapperman.com/forum/attachments/usergals/2024/07/full-58661-222968-1000048033.jpg) Here's the distance from pan to hole: ![[Linked Image]](https://trapperman.com/forum/attachments/usergals/2024/07/full-58661-222970-1000048034.jpg) Here's the finished set ![[Linked Image]](https://trapperman.com/forum/attachments/usergals/2024/07/full-58661-222971-1000048033.jpg) I did forget to put guiding sticks or rocks. I only put two sticks/rocks just incase a shy coyote. Thanks
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Re: Would this catch?
[Re: NorthernTrapperO]
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07/10/24 09:58 AM
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That set looks good. Put a big rock or log or something behind the hole to get the fox at the front of it where the trap is.
And make sure you’re not packing dirt under the pan. A fox will step on that trap and won’t even set it off if there’s too much dirt underneath it.
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Re: Would this catch?
[Re: NorthernTrapperO]
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07/10/24 10:29 AM
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You need more protection from dirt under the pan . I use polyfil just past the outside edge of pan. A pan cap is a very helpful tool.
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Re: Would this catch?
[Re: NorthernTrapperO]
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I'm a water trapper. When I make a pocket set, which is a dirt hole set, I have the jaws set in the opposite direction as you have shown. That way the firing of the trap can't throw the foot out of the trap which could result in a toe catch, but catches the animal higher on the foot for a more secure catch. I've really never did much land trapping. So, maybe it doesn't matter the way you have the trap positioned.
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Re: Would this catch?
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You need more protection from dirt under the pan . I use polyfil just past the outside edge of pan. A pan cap is a very helpful tool. I use undercover for the pan it's like foam
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Re: Would this catch?
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07/10/24 10:34 AM
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You need more protection from dirt under the pan . I use polyfil just past the outside edge of pan. A pan cap is a very helpful tool. You can make a pan cap from a soup can. Just cut a notch for the dog
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Re: Would this catch?
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07/10/24 10:42 AM
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find a rock or a log for backing. I'll start the discussion . You got the jaws turned wrong for me. I want the animal stepping between the jaws NOT OVER. Over raises the foot up some before jaws close. It worked for Stanley hawbaker so I started doing it in 1977......
Wait a few tons will tell you why i'm wrong. So the jaws only lift the foot up if it’s stepped on from the front? Either the fox is stepping over the front of the jaw or the side. A guiding stick laying just in front of the jaw will help prevent them from stepping on the jaw. Also a foxes paw is small enough that they rarely trip the pan and have their paw lifted out by the jaw. A wolf on the other hand can have that happen more.
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Re: Would this catch?
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find a rock or a log for backing. I'll start the discussion . You got the jaws turned wrong for me. I want the animal stepping between the jaws NOT OVER. Over raises the foot up some before jaws close. It worked for Stanley hawbaker so I started doing it in 1977......
Wait a few tons will tell you why i'm wrong. So the jaws only lift the foot up if it’s stepped on from the front? Either the fox is stepping over the front of the jaw or the side. A guiding stick laying just in front of the jaw will help prevent them from stepping on the jaw. Also a foxes paw is small enough that they rarely trip the pan and have their paw lifted out by the jaw. A wolf on the other hand can have that happen more. Way I have done it. TONS of info when I started why to turn the jaws that way. Sure tons to have it other way. Trapper 7 said he sets like me. . You and Bucks n bra first cousins?
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Re: Would this catch?
[Re: NorthernTrapperO]
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07/10/24 11:05 AM
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What's the best way for the trap to be in the bed?
Like I had it or like side ways. What u mean is this: I bedded like this: ---------- should I bed like this? / or |
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Re: Would this catch?
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07/10/24 11:11 AM
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Looks good and glad to see you doing something to improve your trapping skills. One thing not mentioned yet, is in the 4th pic down, some of those dirt clods are bigger than I'd like to have in the trap bed. True, usually dirt clods when caught between the jaws would just crumble, but I've actually had dirt clods caught in the corners of the jaws prevent the jaws from closing all the way. And with clods as big as some of those you could even have a small stone inside one and not know it. Probably not a big deal overall, just one thing I noticed that would bug me if it was my own set, lol. Everything else looks great.
Blending a trap in to bare dirt is relatively easy. Next you should try blending them into different areas... woods, grassy field, sod, etc.
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Re: Would this catch?
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You did a good job. You can also my them a bit more messy like these pics.
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Re: Would this catch?
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I've got to agree with Swamp and Pawnee both. That'll catch because I've caught with 'neat' looking setslike that. To Pawnee's point, go find where a dog has dug. The area is going to look disturbed like his pics show. Notice the backing that Pawnee has in his second pic on the right behind the hole. Ain't gotta be much.
Ok I thought it has to be "neat" because they would be scared! Guess it does make sense though I will definitely be doing that!
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Re: Would this catch?
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Looks good and glad to see you doing something to improve your trapping skills. One thing not mentioned yet, is in the 4th pic down, some of those dirt clods are bigger than I'd like to have in the trap bed. True, usually dirt clods when caught between the jaws would just crumble, but I've actually had dirt clods caught in the corners of the jaws prevent the jaws from closing all the way. And with clods as big as some of those you could even have a small stone inside one and not know it. Probably not a big deal overall, just one thing I noticed that would bug me if it was my own set, lol. Everything else looks great.
Blending a trap in to bare dirt is relatively easy. Next you should try blending them into different areas... woods, grassy field, sod, etc. Thanks definitely will do in the woods tomorrow!
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Re: Would this catch?
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Practice bedding your trap. You want to dig the smallest bed possible. Forget digging dirt holes and blending right now, practice bedding your trap. Over and over and over. This will speed you up exponentially. You can tell a lot about the level of experience of a trapper giving a demo by how long it takes them to bed their trap
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Re: Would this catch?
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Lever placement, as mentioned above, is important. I have a good dvd for canine trapping that goes over it. I will send you a pic when I’m off work cause I can’t remember the trappers name. But it is two discs long and very thorough. Ok
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Re: Would this catch?
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Practice bedding your trap. You want to dig the smallest bed possible. Forget digging dirt holes and blending right now, practice bedding your trap. Over and over and over. This will speed you up exponentially. You can tell a lot about the level of experience of a trapper giving a demo by how long it takes them to bed their trap Phil B is probably the fastest at set slamming....... Look into him...
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Re: Would this catch?
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Looks good, Put it to practice and you'll be posting this in no time. That is a dream right there
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Re: Would this catch?
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07/10/24 03:40 PM
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The main thing is to learn good K9 set locations......crop change areas, field edges, woods roads intersections, farm road gaps/gates/entrances, anywhere you see target critters tracks and scat.
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Re: Would this catch?
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Do some more reading on how to position the trap correctly...grasshopper.
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Re: Would this catch?
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I have had a lot of tight chains with a set like that.Just make sure that sucker don't have any wobble when you bed it and you will be fine. X2.Alot of people over complicate it.Keep it simple like that.
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Re: Would this catch?
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Here are a few considerations: If one hole is good, two are better - the double dirt hole set. Of course with any hole set, you need to know/guess which direction the animals will be coming from: right, left, or straight on. The trap bed doesn't need to be bigger than the outside of the trap. I always dig a deep, deep bowl under the trap, inside the jaw diameter: either to put the trap chain in if anchoring under the trap, and/or to allow water to collect and drain from under the trap or giving dirt falling under the pan a place to go without interfering its' movement. What's the best way for the trap to be in the bed? Like I had it or like side ways. Single dirt hole - axis of the hinges points to the hole Double dirt hole - axis of the hinges should bisect the angle between the holes to reduce the chance of the foot being thrown out of the trap or a toe catch. Underalls or polyfil under the trap pan,.or trap cover (wax paper, coffee filter, screen) whichever works for you. I prefer a commercial, waxed hamburger patty paper as a trap cover. When using waxed paper, crumple the paper up and straighten it out again to minimize noise when being stepped on by the animal. Bed trap solid, outside of the jaws, on the ledge created when digging the bowel under the trap. Pack dirt against the outside of the jaws (use a hammer if need be). Use a couple of drywall screws under the jaws if need be to eliminate rocking on an uneven trap bed. In winter, use some form of antifreeze. Lightly cover the trap with dirt or duff, sifting from up high (same with snow, even higher). Smooth the dirt if needed with a small broom. Remove any pebbles and clods of dirt from on top of the trap that might interfer with the closing of the jaws. For bobcats, an exposed pan is an attractant that works. Place minimal guiding along the jaw sides of the trap, funneling the foot to the trap and the hole. The distance to the hole/s from the trap will depend on what angle the dirt holes are dug in relative to the horizon of the ground. The more perpendicular the hole is vs. the shallower the angle (forcing the animal to crouch down to see into the hole). Watch a dog for how they approach differently angled holes. Dig holes deep and use a plug to obscure the bait or lure in the hole. Want to see how your trap placement is preseason, punch your dirt hole/s and pace a small cylinder of PVC pipe about the size of your trap in loose dirt where you figure you would place the trap. Lure your holes and look to see if animals stepped within the ring. Adjust the ring location as the animals show you. It also indicates whether you're on location and if the lure is working for you. When finishing the set, spray a mist of water across the the top of the set to blend everything together as the water evaporates and the set dries.. Place a natural backing across the back of the set to discourage animals coming in from the wrong side of your sets to investigate.
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Re: Would this catch?
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The main thing is thru trial and error finding a system that will work for you and having confidence in it.
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Re: Would this catch?
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The main thing is thru trial and error finding a system that will work for you and having confidence in it. That's 100 percent true
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Re: Would this catch?
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I don’t do much dirt holing but looks pretty friggin good to me, did you steal those pics from an instruction book?…..lol
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Re: Would this catch?
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I don’t do much dirt holing but looks pretty friggin good to me, did you steal those pics from an instruction book?…..lol Nope
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Re: Would this catch?
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I don’t do much dirt holing but looks pretty friggin good to me, did you steal those pics from an instruction book?…..lol LMAO !!!
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Re: Would this catch?
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Looks good , should catch. Pay attention to what the critters tell you with their feet, they’ll teach you trap placement.
Another tip. Dig your trap bed and dirt hole at the same time. That way you’re not digging your dirthole over your finished set. This will speed up your process and also prevent from tripping your trap while digging over top of your set trap. I do all my digging , pound a stake, bed trap , sift , lure and leave. You’ll quickly get a routine that works for you.
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Re: Would this catch?
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Didn’t see any sweat drops on that trap or set. When did you make it, lol?? It was probably soaked in to my gloves LOL I was sweating like a waterfall!
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