Box stock, as I shoot it. A good shooter would probably do better.

White Marlin that's on here shot this group with a 340 weatherby I have the same day.

the first few shooters would have had a deer laying there , the guy who hit the mark would have been able to watch it run 50-200 yards and fall

no when I have to start reading the wind it is time to move closer for game

250 is basically my self imposed limit

I am also not a long range hunter , never actually shot a deer over about 150

So is most peoples political experience one here but... nevermind lol

Now there's some stuff I've been doing but don't talk about for personal reasons as because I'm just not interested in talking about ...I just say match bullets do neat things on pigs past 400yd

Regardless the idea of using a tool optimized for the job is just common sense when you start having smaller margins of error. I mean y'all are always telling me how I need to stop fiddleing with a lot of the stuff I do and get the "insert*proper* tool" so again, feel it's a common sense deal

Lots of good shots these days. I think ethical hunters just get closer. Im all for each their own, but all this tech is long range guns and bows is for the birds. Lots of money to be made, and the skill level has plummeted

Drillem/killem

Fair but again, he's constantly riding on how is not ethical at all and how no one can do it. That's what rubs me wrong. He does ever show or talk about what can be done with proper equipment and training. It's always cut and dry you can't it's not, not you can but you have to XYZ .

And sorry many I just have way too much faith in people to have the common sense to go " ya know I'm not comfortable shooting this far , I don't have the right stuff ,I won't to it" or " if I'm gonna do this I'm gonna work on it till I can be consistent" maybe that's just my dela about all this . I'm not the brightest guy so when I think something is common sense I'd hope most people would

And on a side note something I still find bizarre is how people will get mad at someone missing or making a poor (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) @500yd on a critter , or heck get mad at bang flopping one DOA , but when billy bob gut shoots a deer with his 300 shoulder buster @75 and it runs off and they need a dog to get it.... RARELY will anyone say anything. NOONE says that unethical. To me mess ups and wounding at short distances make less sense then long distance

Eghhhhh again I can't agree 100% . I mean you can go chat with them guh over on the long range forum large majority of them actually love to hunt with hand guns ,trad archery/ regular archery. It's not that they can't it's just they like the other challenges of LR which has its own skill set all in its own.

I can appreciate the shooting. I do. Just seems like it seeps into the general population and if they but enough of the cool gadgets, all of a sudden they are good to go.

Out here in MT I see the plethora of hunters. When I head out east to the prairie for antelope and mulies its usually the worst. Guys honestly dont even try to get close, and I have personally watched the results which mean dead animals never taken home. Anyway, I digress. But you asked the ethics question of sort. My answer is no I wouldnt take the shot. Id get to 50

I don't understand that. While I don't, and wouldn't take a 500 meter shot at a critter......it was common ..........back in the day to shoot 308 win at 500 meter targets all day long with iron sights. And you better be able to make the shot consistently. If the 308 will do it ....... the 270 certainly will too and it doesn't take Carlos Hathcock to make that shot

Basic training 1966

The internet again....... the fact u use it to validate ur point is suspect by itself

Yeah I don't get that statement either. The 270 is quite capable as a 500 yd gun. In LR hunting it's usually not the gun that is the weakest link. I'd say in most situations it's the most capable part of the system. And I've took my 270 hunting rifle out to 750 yds at the range. It capable at 500, it's the other factors that one needs to take into thought

it is also regional

when your shooting across a bean field filling your 20-30 tags for crop damage that is a different set of thought than the guy who waits in a lottery for a draw for 5 years.

one place deer are basically a nuisance

one guy is shooting a trophy the next a bean thief.

like trapping coon out of hay barns in May/June getting paid more to do it than they are worth put up Prime in December .

it changes

Honestly it's in agreement to alot of y'all are saying.
.270 isn't a purpose built long range cartridge.
Most .270, out the box , are not set up for long range.
If you go to a gun store ask for a .270 most are gonna be set up as a traditional deer rifle. And most of those just plain aren't optional for long range.
It's not a hit against the .270 or anyone. Who uses them
Again can you hit a target it at that distance? Yes . Is it other the bullets it's commonly shot in it the best for game at that distance? Arguably no.
There's a reason people who are serious about this are not using like a .270 with a corlok or something that's a traditional hunting bullet. Also as far as Carlos Hancock..pretty sure he was shooting people with fmj....that's a different deal then critters that are way more durable

I mean I can tow a trailer with a average lil V6 and if I know what I'm doing I can definitely make it work... But a dully with a V8 purpose built for towing , well that's just gonna work better

I'd agree there's a difference in ethics there

Sure there are better tools for most every job. I just suspect the guys who would "laugh you out of the room" for using your 270..............would not be willing to stand still at 500 meters and let me take a poke at them with an off the shelf 270, regardless of the ammo.

The internet again....... the fact u use it to validate ur point is suspect by itself [/quote]

I dot. Know what you mean, I've been very blunt ,humble and honest with my knowledge base so not sure what's suspect past the stuff I prefer just pain not to talk about.

And I don't see the problem going to a group of people that specialize in something, who can show proof , give you all the data you want and make some decisions based off of that.

I mean if I wanna know something about trad archery I'd ask someone like D.T, swamp wolf ,paul d because they do that stuff all the time and they can show me proof.

Same with guys on here about farming, cattle , mechanic work ect.

I mean yeah I haven't gone out and (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) 200 deer doing XYZ but when able to talk to people who do and have on a regular basis and who can provide proof then I can very easily go....ok well this has some merit. Or when I get into a whole community and the same things keep coming up .

I mean loom at Boone laine he's a dang beast and he uses purpose built gear for his stuff same with ridgerunner and a few others .

And gotta say back to what I said. I think very few people here have actually been in politics or around the world and they use online references or their favorite people who have done it all the time and that fine ...so

My personal opinion is a 270 is among the very top deer sized animal cartridge especially inside 600 yards. Now if I was forced to kill one at a 1000yds I might take a cartridge I could shoot higher bc bullets but 5 and under bc doesn't mean too much. Inside 250 I'm fine with a 243.

If your talking deer or antelope guess again

.....well yeah , I don't think anyone with any since would left you take pot shot at them with anything at any distance, but that's not what we're talking about .

What I'm talking about is simply.

People who are serious about this , use serious gear built for the job.

Actually we can go back to Carlos Hancock. One of the deadliest snipers out there , and for the day he was using the best thing that was offed to him. ..... Well I mean he was given then best the military had but you get what I'm saying. At the time that m70 was arguably one of the best systems out there. It's was built to be accurate 30-06 was one of the best cartridges we had at the time for the purposes and that ...what 8x unertal was some of the best purpose made optics at the time. He wasn't just taking a 16 with iron and ball ammo and running out to pop vc @700yd. Though if I remember right he did use one with a starlight at time...

And on the subject of snipers , most of the US military is moving to New better working cartridges for the sniper systems. Yeah the ole .50 cal work.. even though it want designed for lr...but when you have something like the .416 barret that purpose built for LR.... Wellll

And yeah if walk up to someone who long range hunts seriously with a average .270 ( idk stock rem 700 with a Leupold 3-9 factory ammo) and say I'm gonna long range HUNT with this....yeah you probably gonna get laughed at. Same as I probably would if I went with someone who traps wolves in Alaska, and I bring a bunch of #3 bridgers