Thought this was a good video, definitely better the backfires really I do see why Erik was doing with the 1moa killzones (5") but gotta say pretty sure 98% of those shots would be counted as great a 100yd and just lethal in general. Also which they is one for a high shoulder shot as well since that's what more LR hunter do

Just watched it a couple hrs ago. I like it and some of the " test ur ability" videos the Backfire channel does.

Prone or a good rest, no wind, I would take that shot. A good killing shot does not have to be MOA. Mark out vitals I will do it.

Funny,
I was just practicing at 500yds this morning to shoot deer. I'm to the point that I'm comfortable with taking a shot at that distance,v but am going to keep practicing with this gun until season opens.

I think he does 1 moa as a margin of error thing, but yeah a deers vitals are bigger than 1 moa at 500 yards

Honestly can't stand the back fire one , I just cringe aso bad at most of those guys

Not really a hunting "rifle" challenge...with competition/target rifles.

I shot to longer ranges regularly and my ethical range matters a lot on wind conditions and the rest and shooting position I'm in. Not saying you can't make a 500 yd shot regularly but a large percentage of the people that think they can fail at doing it under simulated hunting conditions.

That's intresting, is it the host or the guys doing the shooting challenge?

We haven't had a windy day yet when I've been shooting, but will pay close attention when I do. I only have 60rds thru this gun, a 6.5-300weatherby but its been doing real good.

Ur lucky. Anything under 10 mph is calm here and this year I've had to wait up to a week just to get an evening when it's close to 10 mph

lol, yea I've been hunting out your way and know there's always a wind.

I'm in the mountains and its very seldom windy. Its almost straight up and ill be shooting across to the next mountain side that's the same. I ranged it last season at 500 to most shoot able clearing which is why I'm practicing at that range.

Mainly back fire like he does a lot of click baity stuff and it's just, I feel like honestly he's saying stuff because he knows a certain demographic will eat it up .

Also his challenge it's just.... Ugh , like his first milk judge challenge, they got this guy and ... Lord I'm just watching what he's doing and it's OBVIOUS that he had so business shooting outside of 100yd.

With he long range stuff he does my problem is he tries to say no one should do it then brings in people who don't and try to have them do it to show " HA HA ! SEEEEE !!!" but I dit. Think he's ever brought on someone who's actually a LR hunter ,someone who that's what they do, it's their specialty, their comfortable with it, that put into he work to get to that level.

I just feel like he's missing a massive point of , not that it's unethical or it shouldn't be done BUT that to get to that level you need to work hard train hard and hold yourself to a high standard... Which honestly most hunter don't or won't

I can't a agree
Even though this is what a lot of LR hunters are moving to ? Like it's noting more then using the properly built tool for the job. It's like if you told me hay you need to take this achery shot @50yd . I'm not taking my recurve when I have a compound. That type of shooting is a different animal and realistically requires different gear. You can make stuff work but we'll.....

Talking with and researching guys who long range hunting , the idea of using you traditional .270 for 500yd shots.....yeah no , you will get laughed out the room

Like coyote trapping with a 1.5coil. you can do it ....but using a no bs k9 extreme makes a lot more sense

PRACTICE?! You mean you don't just shoot a few shells the day before opener to make sure....ok I'll stop

Nah, I want to plug one if the trigger is pulled.

Hay hippe think you could talk a bit more on your 6.5-300 ? Sounds interesting , especially since I'm thinking of getting my 30-06 re barreled to a 6.5-06

Wolfie
Keep in mind the guys on Backfire accept the challenge, he's not picking them. And he did have one guy I know of on his hunting challenge that was a professional guide that hunted a lot on his own.
On his 1 moa challenges he's offering money to ANYONE at the range who can do it. He's just showing what the average shooters ability is. Most people over rate their skill when it comes to shooting. And his videos prove it. Even Cortina has stated 600 is his max under good conditions for a shot while hunting and he regularly out shots the best shooters in the world. This LR hunting thing has gotten way too carried away. Most of it because youtube and most rarely talk or show their misses. In reality most people aren't the American Sniper they want to be.

Are there guys that can make some really long shots while hunting? Yes, they are a very small minority, but too many see it done on youtube and they think they are good to go and it simply is poor hunting ethics and is bad for hunting.

It's an outta the box vanguard I paid 599.95 +tax for from Grices gun shop. I am also shooting factory Weather by shells that cost me 59.95 + tax per box, simply because I needed brass and bras alone was 66$ per 20. That was a no brainer, I'm getting my brass loaded for 6 bucks less than emptied brass. Go figure!

I have a vortex strike eagle on it that's 4-24 power. I think it was on dale at midway when I bought it for 499.

Here's my best 500yd group.


1-1/2
It stays within the 9 ring Unless I do something stupid, lol.

All do respect wolfie your LR hunting experience is all internet based I believe.

Box stock, as I shoot it. A good shooter would probably do better.

White Marlin that's on here shot this group with a 340 weatherby I have the same day.

the first few shooters would have had a deer laying there , the guy who hit the mark would have been able to watch it run 50-200 yards and fall

no when I have to start reading the wind it is time to move closer for game

250 is basically my self imposed limit

I am also not a long range hunter , never actually shot a deer over about 150

So is most peoples political experience one here but... nevermind lol

Now there's some stuff I've been doing but don't talk about for personal reasons as because I'm just not interested in talking about ...I just say match bullets do neat things on pigs past 400yd

Regardless the idea of using a tool optimized for the job is just common sense when you start having smaller margins of error. I mean y'all are always telling me how I need to stop fiddleing with a lot of the stuff I do and get the "insert*proper* tool" so again, feel it's a common sense deal

Lots of good shots these days. I think ethical hunters just get closer. Im all for each their own, but all this tech is long range guns and bows is for the birds. Lots of money to be made, and the skill level has plummeted

Drillem/killem

Fair but again, he's constantly riding on how is not ethical at all and how no one can do it. That's what rubs me wrong. He does ever show or talk about what can be done with proper equipment and training. It's always cut and dry you can't it's not, not you can but you have to XYZ .

And sorry many I just have way too much faith in people to have the common sense to go " ya know I'm not comfortable shooting this far , I don't have the right stuff ,I won't to it" or " if I'm gonna do this I'm gonna work on it till I can be consistent" maybe that's just my dela about all this . I'm not the brightest guy so when I think something is common sense I'd hope most people would

And on a side note something I still find bizarre is how people will get mad at someone missing or making a poor (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) @500yd on a critter , or heck get mad at bang flopping one DOA , but when billy bob gut shoots a deer with his 300 shoulder buster @75 and it runs off and they need a dog to get it.... RARELY will anyone say anything. NOONE says that unethical. To me mess ups and wounding at short distances make less sense then long distance

Eghhhhh again I can't agree 100% . I mean you can go chat with them guh over on the long range forum large majority of them actually love to hunt with hand guns ,trad archery/ regular archery. It's not that they can't it's just they like the other challenges of LR which has its own skill set all in its own.

I can appreciate the shooting. I do. Just seems like it seeps into the general population and if they but enough of the cool gadgets, all of a sudden they are good to go.

Out here in MT I see the plethora of hunters. When I head out east to the prairie for antelope and mulies its usually the worst. Guys honestly dont even try to get close, and I have personally watched the results which mean dead animals never taken home. Anyway, I digress. But you asked the ethics question of sort. My answer is no I wouldnt take the shot. Id get to 50

I don't understand that. While I don't, and wouldn't take a 500 meter shot at a critter......it was common ..........back in the day to shoot 308 win at 500 meter targets all day long with iron sights. And you better be able to make the shot consistently. If the 308 will do it ....... the 270 certainly will too and it doesn't take Carlos Hathcock to make that shot

Basic training 1966

The internet again....... the fact u use it to validate ur point is suspect by itself

Yeah I don't get that statement either. The 270 is quite capable as a 500 yd gun. In LR hunting it's usually not the gun that is the weakest link. I'd say in most situations it's the most capable part of the system. And I've took my 270 hunting rifle out to 750 yds at the range. It capable at 500, it's the other factors that one needs to take into thought

it is also regional

when your shooting across a bean field filling your 20-30 tags for crop damage that is a different set of thought than the guy who waits in a lottery for a draw for 5 years.

one place deer are basically a nuisance

one guy is shooting a trophy the next a bean thief.

like trapping coon out of hay barns in May/June getting paid more to do it than they are worth put up Prime in December .

it changes

Honestly it's in agreement to alot of y'all are saying.
.270 isn't a purpose built long range cartridge.
Most .270, out the box , are not set up for long range.
If you go to a gun store ask for a .270 most are gonna be set up as a traditional deer rifle. And most of those just plain aren't optional for long range.
It's not a hit against the .270 or anyone. Who uses them
Again can you hit a target it at that distance? Yes . Is it other the bullets it's commonly shot in it the best for game at that distance? Arguably no.
There's a reason people who are serious about this are not using like a .270 with a corlok or something that's a traditional hunting bullet. Also as far as Carlos Hancock..pretty sure he was shooting people with fmj....that's a different deal then critters that are way more durable

I mean I can tow a trailer with a average lil V6 and if I know what I'm doing I can definitely make it work... But a dully with a V8 purpose built for towing , well that's just gonna work better

I'd agree there's a difference in ethics there

Sure there are better tools for most every job. I just suspect the guys who would "laugh you out of the room" for using your 270..............would not be willing to stand still at 500 meters and let me take a poke at them with an off the shelf 270, regardless of the ammo.

The internet again....... the fact u use it to validate ur point is suspect by itself [/quote]

I dot. Know what you mean, I've been very blunt ,humble and honest with my knowledge base so not sure what's suspect past the stuff I prefer just pain not to talk about.

And I don't see the problem going to a group of people that specialize in something, who can show proof , give you all the data you want and make some decisions based off of that.

I mean if I wanna know something about trad archery I'd ask someone like D.T, swamp wolf ,paul d because they do that stuff all the time and they can show me proof.

Same with guys on here about farming, cattle , mechanic work ect.

I mean yeah I haven't gone out and (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) 200 deer doing XYZ but when able to talk to people who do and have on a regular basis and who can provide proof then I can very easily go....ok well this has some merit. Or when I get into a whole community and the same things keep coming up .

I mean loom at Boone laine he's a dang beast and he uses purpose built gear for his stuff same with ridgerunner and a few others .

And gotta say back to what I said. I think very few people here have actually been in politics or around the world and they use online references or their favorite people who have done it all the time and that fine ...so

My personal opinion is a 270 is among the very top deer sized animal cartridge especially inside 600 yards. Now if I was forced to kill one at a 1000yds I might take a cartridge I could shoot higher bc bullets but 5 and under bc doesn't mean too much. Inside 250 I'm fine with a 243.

If your talking deer or antelope guess again

.....well yeah , I don't think anyone with any since would left you take pot shot at them with anything at any distance, but that's not what we're talking about .

What I'm talking about is simply.

People who are serious about this , use serious gear built for the job.

Actually we can go back to Carlos Hancock. One of the deadliest snipers out there , and for the day he was using the best thing that was offed to him. ..... Well I mean he was given then best the military had but you get what I'm saying. At the time that m70 was arguably one of the best systems out there. It's was built to be accurate 30-06 was one of the best cartridges we had at the time for the purposes and that ...what 8x unertal was some of the best purpose made optics at the time. He wasn't just taking a 16 with iron and ball ammo and running out to pop vc @700yd. Though if I remember right he did use one with a starlight at time...

And on the subject of snipers , most of the US military is moving to New better working cartridges for the sniper systems. Yeah the ole .50 cal work.. even though it want designed for lr...but when you have something like the .416 barret that purpose built for LR.... Wellll

And yeah if walk up to someone who long range hunts seriously with a average .270 ( idk stock rem 700 with a Leupold 3-9 factory ammo) and say I'm gonna long range HUNT with this....yeah you probably gonna get laughed at. Same as I probably would if I went with someone who traps wolves in Alaska, and I bring a bunch of #3 bridgers

I dont go on all those forums but have hunted a bit where 4-500 yard shots are not uncommon. I respect Cortanas knowledge on targets but the kill zone on a deer is bigger than a softball. Shooting with wind, trying to shoot standing, I doubt many hunters feel comfortable with a 500 yard shot. When everything is right though its very doable to kill a deer with one shot at 500 yards with a 130 grain bullet from a 270. My old weatherby with 55 grains of IMR 4350, according to my chrono, is shooting about 3100fps. best guess from charts at 500 its traveling about 2000 fps with 1200 ft lbs of energy. Eyes on hands on hunting experience they dont go far. I dont use a lot of equipment. Sighted in dead on at 300 long paces. If close I aim at the bottom of the bread basket. If far I aim at the spine. Either I break its back cause its closer than I thought, or the bullet drops into the bread basket, or I will miss clean cause its further. Fail to see anything unethical about it.

Ok so I'm not really talking about the cartridge more less the whole set up stock.out of the box....wait so now your basically agreeing with me th....mmmmkay

Wolfie
I'd consider my self quite skilled or maybe better said knowledgeable on a few topics at least above average and when these topics come up for discussion on a forum a good amount of the responses I just have to shake my head at. I think well over half the stuff on youtube isn't worth watching and forums are worse. I'm not super knowledgeable about long range shooting but I know enough based on my experience to have some idea who knows what they are talking about. And yes I listen when Boone talks shooting but alot of people (even those that claim to) don't have his skill set, knowledge and most important experience. I'm not saying no one should take a 600 shot in any situation I'm saying in reality most that think they ethically can, can't do it.

Take horses for example, they have been a large part of my daily life since I was a kid. They have been a passion and a business for me for over 30 years. Theirs a few on here that I respect their opinion when it comes to horses and horse things but when the topic comes up on here alot of the comments seem pretty off to me but the general public gobble those off comments up just like fact especially if a lot of sentences are used.

My weatherby is stock except for being glass bedded. My old 300 win mag is stock except for a timney trigger. Its my go to elk rifle. Quit reading all that nonsense and go hunting.

And like I've stated, I agree with that sentiment.

I do not feel you should be trying to take game especially at distance or with more....... whatever you'd consider achery , I don't wanna say primitive but you know what I mean , ways without a lot of practice and with the proper gear.

Like me , I'm not just out there slinging arrows at game right now because I don't feel like I'm ready.

What irks me is when people just flat out say You can or it's not . Again maybe I just hold people to to high of a standard of being able to have the sense to say " hay I've never done this let me learn prep not just start slinging bullets "

Also idk I feel like most should be able to filter out the BS kinda quick or at least be able to question it. But then again seems most people just believe whatever their told and have no kinda bs detector so....idk
Maybe I am I lil smart in some ways

And I have trouble identifying a doe at 100yds sometimes and y’all talking about shooting things at 500+ yards, lol. In those cases the optics better cost about 3-5 times more than the gun. If I’m gonna spend that kinda money it’s gonna be able to shoot in the dark too.

Last time I went to the local gun range I was shooting from a bench. no problem hitting 18 inch by 18 inch steel. Not on the edges either. Out to 500 Dont have a bench when hunting but in the mountains I watch from a big rock or something. Here I like places like this. If a good broadside standing still shot happens I will take the shot.



Rifle is my 300. Dont remember why I grabbed it. I was deer hunting. Probably just wanted to hunt with it.

3-5x ? I honestly feel like that a old metric that needs to get reassessed. Honestly $300-$500 can get you stuff that would have been $1500 10years ago.

I wanna start posting my test again of all the ones I mess with.....but I swear it never seems to be productive

We probably are seeing most thing from about the same angle just debating about the finer points. I think with out some experience on a topic most people are terrible about sorting out the bs especially if it's some one that uses big or alot of words. I even see it in the trapping community once in awhile.

Popcorn anyone?

Yeah in all fairness I do tend to key in on fiber points of something, I need to work on that honestly

Here my 5000 ft perspective. Take Cortina, world class thousand yd shooter, world class at reading the wind , shoots more rounds at a thousand yds than most everyone and I've heard him say twice his max ethical hunting range is 600 yds. He says too much can happen beyond that distance for him to be taking a further shot. And that is the sentiment of quite a few other people.
Now I assume if Mr Cortina was on a ranch doing control work on say pigs or sheep killing coyotes and he had a shot on said animal at a further distance and animal wasn't coming closer he'd probably take the shot and probably hit some of them but hunting under sporting conditions 600 is his max.

Now say you have another guy who's on a forum that's never won a single thing at a long range competition, shots less rounds at long range in a year than Cortina does in a month, but claims to have killed 10 big game animals at a 1000+ yds and says it's perfectly ethical.

Which person's knowledge are you going to value the most?
Say if you had a dozen forum guys with that same resume, are you going value their opinion higher than Mr Cortina?

Now if someone like say Boone that I have more knowledge (which is more than just what he posts on here)of there experience and skill tells me he can put 8 out 10 shots in the vitals of a deer under hunting conditions at 800 yds id put value in that opinion.

Making a shot and making a shot reliably enough to be considered ethical in sport hunting are two different things in my opinion. And everyone's opinion of ethical can very also.

I believe I've heard Cortina say that 1000 yd cold bore first shot impacts are very difficult to accurately make yet there's 100s of internet forum guys that claim it's not a problem. I believe when he stated this it was in conversation about LR hunting so im assuming when he said accurately hes meaning in the context of ethical shot placement. I guess a guy just picks who's opinion he values until he actually sees a person attempt it.

That's some pretty sweet shooting at 500 yds. Will you be able to shoot in the hunting situation with the same kind of rifle support your practicing with?

So when it comes s to the Internet stuff there's a lot of ways to verify someone. And if your not trying to verify someone before you just do what they tell you ....your kinda a idiot. Idk mabye it's because I grew up on the Internet and I understand that people do,flex fake lie and larp all the time is what this is such a odd thing for me to thinks is even an issue.
My main deal is just keep asking questions and asking for pictures.
I honestly don't care who anyone is supposed to be if you can't give me specific data points and show me some pictures I'm probably not gonna listen to you . If Everything you say is just straight up definites with no in betweens or similar then yeah I'm super wary. If you come at me talking like your the best thing ever .....yeah no
My biggest red flag is when someone gets upset with further questioning. If I I ask for clarification or more details and they get upset I don't just take them for there first word then yeah BIG BIG red flag

Ok so say I go and ask hay what's a good bullet for pigs. If someone says something like "O FMJ IS GREAT ! ALL YOU NEED I KILL TONS OF PIG WITH THEM"

I already know that FMJ isn't really a hunting round so that's just suspicious. All you need puts me on edge too

So id ask stuff like " how many do you usually kill ? " What's shots are you taking as far as placement? " " What size pigs are you usually going after " "happen to have any pictures of the kils ? Wound channels ECT" and so on. If your really someone with listing to this type of info should be easy enough to give.Usually stuff like that will weed out the BS and fakes super quick .
Most of the people who actually do stuff are very humble and have nothing to hide and 9/10 times stheir more then happy to go into a lot of depth and happy to show you . Again like Boone or ridgerunner .The fakes not so much.
I honestly feel like a lot of stuff should be fairly obvious. Like looking at my posts if hope people would very easy be able to understand I'm just a chill goober thing to have fun, but people still think I'm trying to be a expert or something so guess not lol.

Also another thing about this does come to having the personal ability to know yourself and limit yourself I've listened to most of Eric's pod cases and interviews and point blank he honest about his capabilities and his comfort zone ,but he's also agreed that there are people who can confidently make these shots but , again, these are not average people

But back to Eric. Some I have to say is he's specialized in target shooting and he's admitted to it. That's his world . Now take guys who are highly specialized in LR hunting well there's a lot that does over lap...but. like I I wanted to learn about shooting and killing with trad bows the best ....I'd still take notes from a award winning compound bow shooter , but that guy who's in the woods slaying deer with a recurve the way I want, well what he says will have more bearing on me. And honestly Erik I feel is a great role model when it comes to this. He's constantly talking to people who do stuff , they might not be at his level in class but their at ta high level ain't other stuff so he listens to them and tries to get those good nuggets of info.


Idk again I feel like a lot of this is just common sense and don't get the need to keep beating the (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) outta a dead hose but I think I need to start lowering the standard of people lol

Nice seeing a actual conversation and not just a massive wizzing match for a change Huh ?

Wolfy, when you went through basic, what states did the best shooters come from
I know in boot camp all the high shooter came from 2 states
My M16A1 shot a 5" group at 500 yards from the prone position
I wanted to keep that firearm

Boss man I honestly cannot remember for the life of me. I think alot of our tip shooters where city girls though. Most of our worst one where hard headed country guys who thought they knew everything lol.

That being said in my unit 34 out of 40 was counted as bare minimum even though it was like a 80 on the scoreboard. Was wild when I got moved to a quarter master unit and 60% of them struggled to keep a High 20 something score

My take on this topic boils down to this. Each shooter has their own capabilities. Some have better capabilities than others, but still know their limits. It is imperative that each one of us knows our limitations and act accordingly.
It is all too easy to read up on LR hunting and catch "the bug", and let one's ego get the best of us and start doing stupid things without respect for the animal which we are trying to kill.
Carlos Harhcock's name was brought up. I would not want to go up against him at 500 yards if all he had was his prized J C Higgins 22 repeater. We are all not Gunneys. We need to let that sink in and discover that our skill levels are and act accordingly, but still have the goal of improving our knowledge, skills and abilities to be able to ethically reach out further.

Pictures do speak volumes. Half the time it’s for braggin rights, which I can include myself in, but when you are talking about the nuanced nitty gritty it sure makes it easier to understand. I love posting photos.

And I gotta say I really appreciate all th stuff you've posted regarding trad archery, really helped me out in a few instances

The internet is a great vast place to learn lots of things and I try to use it as such. Sometimes I can contribute, most of the time I’m trying to learn like you. Lots of good folks here to learn from.

A bullet is literally falling out of the sky past 600 yards. Doesn't matter if it's a 223 or a 300 ultra mag. Not to mention the time it takes for the bullet to get there. I had this same conversation on another forum and I got bashed for saying 450 is my max, I don't shoot the barrel out of my gun practicing before I go hunting, I will take shots at coyotes at 6-800 yards. I was berated and told what an ignorant unethical bafoon I am. Some people place themselves far above everyone else, so they can look down on us. Must be a pain living in town and only getting to shoot at the range or the few times per year they get to hunt.

I am bothered by whatever idiot convinced wolfdog that a 270 was inadequate for a 500 yard shot at a deer. That the owner of the rifle deserved ridicule. Cortana needs to stick to competitions.

I really need to stop tryin to use examples and stuff because I feel like i keep loosing a lot of y'all.... reminds of when everyone was thinking I was saying all white people who flew a Confederate flag where racist

Yes sir,

You mentioned to me about shooting on a windy day.

Today is really windy so I went shooting. I got humbled pretty quick! Odd part is, my shots were more high than left or right which has me baffled. The last 2-300 yards is where there's trees on both sides of the range and in that cut, the flags were blowing the opposite way from the first 300 yards that is open . maybe an up draft too?

Here's a pic of the range. I was shooting to the bright colored burm and to the next one, all shots were higher than usaul.

wolfie- If I still had the connections, I get you out here on the plains and hunt deer, especially white-tail, like pheasants. If nothing shows ups when posted up during the first or last light, the time in between is busting deer out of cover, such as tall grass, low wetlands, etc. Almost all of those shots are running shots. What counts in the end is the animal is dead on the ground and there will be meat in the freezer-- I know how to cut up a deer or an antelope.

I know a lot of deer hunters, especially forest hunters, will hold their noses at that sort of deer hunting, but most of us "prairie" hunters generally don't care. We used to have (I haven't checked lately) north of 65% success rate for deer hunting (not counting the Black Hills) in either the East or West River deer zones.That includes any scores, such as does and fawns--and by the way, northern whitetail fawns are considerably larger than southern ones.

A majority of the deer I've taken have been running shots from 30 to 250 yards, and on numerous occasions its been the fourth or fifth shot that has dropped them.

That's reality here.

wind gets you

same target first picture calm 420 yards 10 rounds you can't see a few under the tape measure in the inner part of the recess, one was so perfect throught he middle it took the elbow off the back that was screwed in covering that hole.


second picture has the same original shots on it , but was a year later , gusting wind Ihad to hold 6-8 inches off the right side of the plate full value wind around 15-20 gusting
those hits to the right edge of the plate , the wind would die just as the shot broke


this is 308 with 180gr bullets same load both times , same rifle both times , bipod the shot is across a hay field.

the one through hole and one deep crater were shot standing at 200 and 300 I stopped doing that as it is extra hard on the plate

Most long shots I try to keep at 400 or less. If the wind isn't blowing I'd shoot at 500 max and I shoot enough to know what to dial on my scope.Usually at 400 yards or more I can get prone and use my bipod legs. I shoot a 25.06 but cant judge the wind well. I did watch my son smoke an antalope at 612 yards with a good 10 mph wind. He has a wind indicator I think it's a kestrel he dialed for wind and elevation. He can definately out shoot me lol.

I'm learning, on a Deer sized target I'd have backboned him. Trying to get better.

I have 22-250s specifically for burning the barrels out on. My opinion is they are the perfect rifle to practice control and trigger touch on. I shoot about 200 - 1000 rounds a month when components are available. My hunting rifles are 270 win, 270 WSM, and 300 WMag. 270 I shoot to 700 meter, the 270WSM is my favorite and a great round to 900. My 300 is fun, and I'll go as far as 1200M with it, but its a beast to carry. For hunting, I consider 50% of my practice range is a no brainer. My personal limit is about 75% of my practice range. Conditions and confidence in the moment dictates 100% of when i touch the trigger. Had elk perfectly presented at 1/4 away and just knew not to touch the trigger. regardless of anyone's skills and ability level, self awareness and self control is the #1 factor of what shot to take. In all fairness to myself, I know I am not the same as I was 10 years ago. I can still drop my heart rate 10-15 beats easily, but my body doesn't follow suit like it had.

6.5 creed at 1102 yards

There's no way 1350 yards is an ethical shot. I don't care how good your shot placement is.

My bullet s going as fast at 1000yds than a bullet at the muzzle of a 30-30.

that your personal ethics or someone elses?

It's easy to get painted into a box by ones own experiences and ideas, a lot of people say you can't do this or that when what they actually should be saying is that they have never had to opportunity to learn how to do this or that. Now I realize that the ethics of shooting an animal at long range is different than shooting a target at long range because the target isn't going to move as or after you break the shot and if you make a bad shot on the target it is not wounded but there are people out there who are capable of some amazing things and they can do them on demand not just something that happened once. The idea of shooting to a mile or more to me is unreal but there are a couple of fellas who occasionally stop by the local rimfire matches that compete at up to 2 miles. Now when you are shooting so far away that not only do you have to worry about trajectory, and wind but also you have to factor the rotation of the earth in that is complicated and gets impressive, they have shown me what all goes into calculating their firing solution and it is more like planning a moon launch than a shot.

All depends which way the bullet is going in relation to the wind. Just like an airplane , if the wind is at your back or in your face, the bullet will gain or lose elevation, stay airborne longer or shorter, the rise and fall curve will lengthen or shorten. A perfect side wind is ideal for making calculations.

Bullet airborne for a full second, a lot can change before that bullet gets to its destination. Animals aren't always stationary

2bit I'm with u on this thread

Life would be boring if we all agreed. I try my best to keep it civil

how many of you guys ever shot game beyond 600 yards? if you haven't then you really don't know, your giving an inexperienced opinion.