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Re: Does blue matter in price?? [Re: Martin] #854691
08/27/08 06:20 PM
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Thank you!

Re: Does blue matter in price?? [Re: Martin] #854706
08/27/08 06:32 PM
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Don, I was saying what the buyer told me. Due to the fact that "most" trappers don't know that a slightly casty leather might be at the peak of fur quality, the buyer would use this as an excuse to pay less for the fur and laugh all the way to the bank. I believe that otter are another fur that is at its peak just before the leather primes 100%. One exception to the fox might be the western Alaskans. I have caught them all the way into the end of Febuary and first part of March without a broken guard hair to be found and great naps. Not to mention the darkest, cherriest, red fox on planet earth.


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Re: Does blue matter in price?? [Re: newhouse114] #854719
08/27/08 06:38 PM
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Don - I certainly wasn't agruing with you. I was simply pointing out something that I hadn't seen any one else mention. Everything you wrote on this thread was true and much appreciated. smile


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Re: Does blue matter in price?? [Re: wissmiss] #854724
08/27/08 06:41 PM
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newhouse114 - those late Feb/early March Alaskan red fox may be as you described, but it has been my experience that red fox taken at that time of year, no matter the location, will tend to have matted/bunchy underfur when they come back from the tannery.

Have you had any experience with having those skins tanned?

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Re: Does blue matter in price?? [Re: wissmiss] #854866
08/27/08 08:23 PM
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I never had any tanned but the owner of the camp I was trapping out of (care taking) bought one of them and had it tanned. It was probably the most beautiful fox I've EVER seen. Close in color to a bright Irish Setter and over 40 inches to the butt. I sold the rest of them to Goldberg because I hadn't a clue about international auctions back in '81. I thought I had died and gone to heaven when I sold those fox.......until I heard about what fox had done at Hudson's Bay and Dominion. LOL I remember that I combed and brushed all my fox and don't recall any matting that I could detect in the nap.


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Re: Does blue matter in price?? [Re: newhouse114] #854881
08/27/08 08:37 PM
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Nancy I could see you were not disagreeing with what I said. I guess it just kinda struck me funny that I had been giving advise from the first and then you came in said basically the same thing I had been saying, and in my eyes got credit for getting the ideas of people straightened out or as was said, you settled the argument. Nancy in no way do I think that you were trying to discredit me or argue with me. I have my eyes wide open. Sorry , Nancy if you received my thread wrong.
I could never disagree with a person like you unless I had substancial reason to.

Re: Does blue matter in price?? [Re: wiggler] #854962
08/27/08 09:28 PM
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Blue skins leather side are just In most cases a good way for the local buyer to down grade your fur. There are some who live by It. I have sold a lot of Oct 15th caught coon and recived some very good prices at auction but take those same coon to good old groney and they will be down graded to just about worth less.
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Re: Does blue matter in price?? [Re: The Beav] #855144
08/27/08 11:48 PM
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One way for those that want to learn more how the fur sells and is graded or valued is to take an assortment of "blue coons of say 2xxl-4xxl size and ship them to an auction and then review the grading that they get and the prices they receive. Talk is talk, worry is worry, put the fur into a place where it is actually graded and lotted instead of just commented on. You will also find that what Don Wolf talks about clarity and colar are big added values to better quality hides. Last year 4xxl selects that were 2-3s on clarity sold for 10-12 dollars more than the 4-5 clarity. The better silver clear ones come here in WI when we have those 40-50 degree days and our first 25-30 degree nights on our big boars and barren females.

Bryce

Re: Does blue matter in price?? [Re: bblwi] #855154
08/27/08 11:56 PM
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bblwi that is when a coon is at it's finest. The nice clear silver coon with the beautiful light colored flanks. The same coon caught later in the season looses that nice clean silver look.. After it has been around for about 3 weeks, it starts to get to be dingy and dirty in color. Then it starts loosing value.

Re: Does blue matter in price?? [Re: don Wolf] #855205
08/28/08 12:43 AM
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I trap in Michigan and one thing I learned is that when the season opens you better get your steel in the ground - this theory of waiting until the skin gets prime would mean a severely reduced harvest of coon and fox for me. You would be giving a heck of a lot of money away - last year we got an early heavy snowfall that cut down the coon harvest drastically. Sure we had a few warm-ups after that when the coon came out but they get rubbed and pizzed up after being holed up. Get them when their coat is the best and if that means trapping when season starts that is what I am going to do.

Re: Does blue matter in price?? [Re: wiggler] #855267
08/28/08 02:36 AM
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Thank you DON and WISSMISS, very informative! this kind of knowledge is priceless. thank you again

Re: Does blue matter in price?? [Re: wiggler] #855281
08/28/08 04:27 AM
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Don the posts you and other knowledgable folks take the time to post ARE read by the vast majority to learn. I don't understand how 10 percent can sway the view, 90 percent are learning...Tom

Re: Does blue matter in price?? [Re: tmrschessie] #855310
08/28/08 06:56 AM
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I for one really appreciate getting first hand knowledge from someone that knows...thanks!

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