Hello my favorite trapping family! Hubby bought this OLD double barrel for $40. Can the end be salvaged? If so, how would you go about it? He's pretty handy so give me some ideas if you have them! Thank you!


Love, Kristen

Looks like Bugs bunny tried to tie it in a knot for ol Elmer Fudd!

That’s a shame I love a side by side shotgun

Those nails wont do it. A good machinist could fix thst pronto.

Yes....Take it to a gunsmith....A quick fix with a mandrel.

Does the gun have value? Saw it off just behind the dented area. Have a bead put on it ( or do it yourself ). You could do this yourself. Make sure to cut it square and polish it afterwards

Or , like said above have a machinist fix it. Get a quote first, or your $40 gun might go up substantially lol

But check the barrel and overal length first! You don't want to accidently create a short barrelled shotgun.

Like coyote hunter said , easy with a mandrel

No need to cut it off. Just have it fixed like said above. Should be a fast and cheap job.

Don't cut it....See that triangular section below the rib?

It will be a hollow cavity there if you cut it down...You need a mandrel

Depends on how handy he is and if he values the gun or wants it to just shoot

Here is one way, do you know what a tapered size mandrel is? Its a long bar with a taper on it for different sizes of diameters

You can drop it down the barrel and with a light hammer tap the barrel around while holding that bar in place, this will move the barrel bend to the size of the barrel, you just keep going till you match the size, You don't need any heat, this is all cold work

Yes there might be a few dents if hitting to hard, you can soften it by wrapping some tap on the barrel or a light hammer

It's quite an easy fix really and you don't really need to cut it shorter unless its a real tight choke on it , you may have a different shot barrel when you fix it this way but it will work.

Yes it works, I know for a fact due to practice on old stuff for many years with people who don't know how to but don't want to spend the big bucks for a gun thats not really the cost of the family

A hydraulic dent raiser will take care of it in a jiffy. Most any good gunsmith will have one.

this reply is your solution that 160user gave

LOL!


Pfft don't let those nails fool you. I have working (manly) hands lol











Never heard of a mandrel and neither has he. Gunsmith might be a good idea!

Not sure it has value, it has no markings and the stock is in pretty bad shape but trying to repair that.

Northof50 always speaks in riddles…….but he’s right about 160user!
lol

There should be markings on it somewhere. Maybe under forend?

make sure you keep it longer than 18 inches but , once you try a shorter shotgun you may never want a long one ever again.

start at 20 if that will work. move the bead back.

think of mandrel like a ring sizing tool , you have probably seen one of those , it is a metal cylinder tapered and at it's largest it is the size of a 12 or 20 ga shotgun depending on which you use , well lubed and forced into the barrel it pushes the crushed part back out to round.

A simple job for a good machinist/gunsmith. That is where it needs to go.

on the other hand they are just paper work now , zero dollar tax stamp
fill out a form 1 and make an ATF account , wait for the stamp then cut.

I had to read it 3 or 4 times to understand what he said hahahaa

winner ( i bet he don't hear that said about him often)

Pretty easy fix , with the right tools ..
As others have said

I appreciate all the recommendations!

Yep a good gunsmith

Just run up to Jaquas in Findley and trade it for a Fox or Parker.

https://www.supplyhouse.com/Hilmor-Tools-1839009-Swaging-Tool-Multi-Swage-Punch-5-Sizes-1-4-to-5-8 This would most likely fix it;

As has been mentioned several times. Gunsmith, mandrel or hydraulic dent raiser. Simple fast and far more economical than cutting. You'll likely never see the repair if done by a competent smith.

Don't forget the choke is on that portion of the barrel. I would: make a small anvil to fit inside the barrel and very carefully use a small hammer to tap it eyeball round, then shoot it to see what happened to the choke.

Do you know the maker?

x2

I don't. Only a person's names engraved on it. I can take a picture of the entire gun if that helps.

Please do….. I really like side by sides…..

I’d be interested in seeing it

If it has no collectors value, might consider installing a screw in choke system.

https://www.gunsinternational.com/g...s/shotguns-belgium-double.c732_p1_o6.cfm

It's a Belgium gun with damascus barrels. You should do some more serious research on it. And check, but I don't think its safe to shoot modern shot shells in it, they have too high of pressure for those barrels, if I recall correctly.

This is indeed a low end Belgian double with twist steel barrels. Not sure its worth fixing. Missing both hammers and no remaining stock finish. metal is also without finish. Please don't let anyone shoot it. Would make a nice wallhanger.

Thank you so much!! You are awesome. I knew i came to the right place to ask.

If the action is tight (no shake) when breech is closed blackpowder only remove the locks and check the mainsprings lots of times they are broke or gone back action locks are notorious for different sized springs left hand are usually good right hand shot
By shake I mean with the action closed and forearm on barrels should not wobble you should only have 1 to 1.5 thousands clearance between the breech face and barrel platform use feeler gauges this clearance is for closing the barrels to much slop and the pin by your right hand last pic has to be driven out and the hole rebored for a larger pin then the halfmoon on the bottom of the barrels has to be honed out to fit the new pin by candle blacking mating parts and frequent checking or piece of tinfoil used as a shim wont last but you'll know if your on the right track
Next or first is check the barrels for separation between the rib and barrels these are soldered some i.ve seen are obvious others you can "ring" the barrels remove barrels from gun take off forearm hold by breech end in the air and tap muzzle end with a piece of steel good barrels will ring bad ones will be a dull tunk and your out of business

And at the end of the day, a pile of money could be poured into this thing and best case scenario? Still a cheap Belgian double. There are better choices out there.
I do agree with Jeff's comments.

That's okay! Going to be a wall hanger after the comments above.

I nominate 160user to proof test it. A couple 3 inch double ought should be sufficient, if he pulls both triggers at the same time.

Is it a muzzle loader?

No. Early breechloader. Notice the opening lever. Circa 1875-1900. These were imported and sold through mail order houses like Sears.