Is it me or are we going through this again?

Strangely, or not, it's bad acting leftists.

… what are you talking about now … entirely too vague for an idiot like me to understand I guess

…. But what comes to mind is my cousin fought in the Middle East … kicked a lot of butt .. then joined private security over there after he got out … came back and kicked more butt here at home … finally headed up a non profit for ptsd and is doing alright last I heard

…. Guess you’re referencing a news story or something?

That incident in Tennessee. The attacker got in his face saying he had PTSD.

Another incident in Commiefornia where a navy vet claiming PTSD beat a 70yo to death over a Trump flag.

PTSD is now a weapon and excuse for bad behavior. I've seen this show before in the 70s and 80s and dad didn't like it one bit and still don't. As a vet myself knowing that it is a very real deal and most just deal with it as best they can, like dad did, I can't help but remember dad saying crazy going in, crazy going out.

Maybe having lived with it the way I did, the whole crazy nam vet thing, and watching dad deal with the stigma Im kind of sensitive to seeing it used as a crutch and excuse.

…. I know what you’re talking about now … you ought to just come out and say it for the sake of dumb butts like me

… I don’t agree with what that dude does to provoke the Africans though … believe it or not

…. Play stupid games type deal I guess

… now I do believe my culture has been manipulated into losing its identity and become weak

…. Just don’t think that’s a constructive way to get it back is all … and the free speech angle is a losing position in the current climate

… funny as it may be lol

Care to elaborate???

While I do believe that some experiences can have a long term effect on some individuals mental health I believe that the term / diagnosis of PTSD is being used as a cop out for a majority of those supposedly diagnosed not being able to face anything other than seeing rainbows and unicorns. Take first responders (ambulance crews specifically) as an example you work a wagon long enough you're gonna see blood, guts and gore, if you don't think you'll be able to take scraping brain matter up from a car wreck find another job cuze sooner or later you're gonna get a call where you're picking up body parts. Life is not all rose pedals and soft relaxing music.

I get where Warriors coming from. There is a local vet here who moved in from Mississippi about 10 yrs ago.

Veteran of the Afghanistan war, who draws a disability check though he recreates everyday, carries a belt holstered handgun, smokes weed & drinks like a fish.

Here's the problem....He's a hyper vigilant patrol freak, continously canvassing the neighborhood lashing out at perceived slights, and also happens to be a sexual predator, who has freaked out every woman for miles.....Nobody around here likes this POS because of the aforementioned, and his attempts to intimidate by menacing, and telling everyone he has PTSD.

Many of these guys are in society unfortunately, but when I think of my uncles in Vietnam & great uncle in WW2, who saw 100x more action and acted like normal people their whole lives, it makes me think a lot of these current PTSD vets are gaming the system on our dime.....Sure, some are legit and need our help, and we're grateful to help them like they helped us.

But not the ones like the person I described, who will be found shot in a ditch at some point with the way he's acting.

So who is helping our firefighters ,police officers and,Ems works through their 30+ years of mental trauma????

It's pretty self-explanatory

No one , it's pretty bad for most of them

Around here there are some mental health type counselors at the local hospital they can talk to if they want. I don't know how helpful that is or how deep it goes.

Nobody.

Sure you can go talk to someone, but that someone is most likely going to be a left winger who will automatically decide she needs to report that you need your guns taken away because you might be a threat to yourself or others. Now they have taken away some more of your rights and that just makes the problem(s) worse.

Always curious why PTSD affects some people and not others, even though they've had the same experiences.... anyone have a thought?
I've never been in combat, but have participated in some major recoveries after disasters, was always offered "counseling"but never felt the need, or had any repercussions from it...I realize it's not the same as combat but there must be a reason some are seemingly not affected.....

Everyones brains work and process things differently then there's also stuff to be said about the environment

What environment might that be ?

… go Easy him on Mr 17 … he was in the rotc or something…. You can’t even begin to imagine the things he’s seen lol

Not just soy boys and emotional support animals. There are some serious drunk doper criminal types either being given a pass or trying to game the system. Not only is it wrong but it honestly hurts those who are dealing with past trauma the best that they can.

It's impossible to have a honest conversation about Vets.

We should be extremely appreciative of our Veterans and we should get them the benefits they were promised. The folks who served who need help should get it and we should be happy to give it to them.

That said a percentage of Military members were morons before entering and are still morons coming out. 1 in 3 Veterans is now on "service related" disability, the average time of enlistment is 6 years. I understand some people get hurt and they need to be cared for as promised but over 30% being disabled after a average 6 year enlistment...

One of my friends came back from Iraq right at the heat of soldiers returning and the VA wait times and care SUCKED, it's greatly improved but hearing reports from him about being stuck in line behind people who never deployed to combat and were claiming PTSD was absurd. He did get the help he needed eventually and is doing great now but it shouldn't of taken as long as it did and the people claiming PTSD who never deployed really get me riled up.

Somone on a FOB getting shot at or mortared 24/7 is probably gonna have different deal for PTSD compared to a REMF who got a ied strike on his convoy first time out the gate and that will probably be different from a suburban cop who just saw there first shooting vs one who's been in the hood like last 5 years .

Remember the shrink saying its akin to an immediate shock to the brain possibly cause more or less damage vs prolonged exposure possibly causing more or less but in different ways

I suppose it might be viewed that way. I often wonder if . 1 PTSD is a real thing and 2. what is the incidence of 'PTSD' in the opposition forces and how is that being dealt with .

Is it something that has always been part of the human condition or just a 20th century, western civilization construct to excuse uncivilized or irresponsible behavior, as well as society's lack of support for those they put in harms way and then rejected ?

I kind of think that what we call PTSD today is a direct result of no longer living in a world where normal adjustment to trauma begins from childhood.

That could certainly be part of it. A childhood with no consequences for poor behavior. I think it has become more prevalent with the passage of time

I think we are all different. Nightmares are real. Seen a guy puke once just helping me gut a deer. I did not cut the guts. No foul odor. All he was doing was holding the back legs. I also think its not just body parts etc but mental anguish. Its not new. Used to call it shell shock battle fatigue etc.

I mean , various conditions that would fall under or be diagnosed as PTSD have been around and have been documented since Rome . Like a lot of mental conditions it's not new we have just progressed in medicine and science to where we can actually put a name to this stuff .

It's like how back in the 1800's you probably couldn't convince someone that a person who was a severe autistic, or someone with down syndrome wants just possessed by a demon or something . But again it effects everyone differently and it come in different deals . There some people that stuff just plain didn't bother or there abel to rationalize it in a different way . Then there's other folks that the same stuff will just plain screw up for life. The human mind is a complex thing

There been some studies that show people in the military who go though alot of this stuff and don't come out with some form of mental illness usually end up being something like high functioning sociopaths or lil lower on the IQ score deal to where there kinda emotionaly stunted and it just don't register. Idk have to find them again.

As with many mental issues or disorders there is a continium of severity from mild to severe. As a Nam vet I was diagnosed with modest PTSD some time after my return. Thankfully my symtems have declined over the years. That is not the case for many who suffer very severe PTSD related issues. There are probably thousands if not hundreds of thousands who have never been diagnosed as well, both military, non military and internationally.
I smashed a few alarm clocks not long after returning home, sure glad that is over with.

Bryce

Think a lot if it has to due with people not realizing coping admitting life can be cruel and down right messy . Spent 4 years as ambulance attendant prior to 22 years as Navy Corpsman (medical) saw stuff that made cops blow lunch at accidents, passenger evicted through windshield taking top of head off on top bar of windshield, leaving brain matter across pavement, or drunks getting hit on freeway by gravel train doing 60 mph in fog, to retrieving floaters where body parts come off in your hands while trying to get body in the boat, bodies with 3rd degree burns over 95% of their body from shipboard fire. Yes things that would make a lot of people blow lunch for a week and nightmares for a month. Just have to realize / accept schitt happens and sometimes it is messy and stinks but that's life, only things that really affected me is when it was the smaller kids and babies. Where you bust your butt doing absolutely everything possible with what you have in the ambulance and yet it wasn't enough. Yes you remember those but don't dwell on them and just get over it.
As far as cops ems personnel and their experiences they need to realize it goes with the job, see it, note it and then let it go, if you can't let it go, get a different job

Knowing your limits. I understand the grisly ways things can die, had to toughen my nose to decomp (smells are my weakness to hurl). But children would have me eating a hole punch or taking it out on somebody.

I think it needs be broken down to the definition of trauma.

Post- After
Traumatic- An severe event or extreme event that is psychologically or emotionally stressful in a way that can lead to serious mental and emotional problems
Stress- A physical, chemical, or emotional factor that causes bodily or mental tension and may be a factor in disease causation
Disorder- to disturb the regular or normal functions

The type of PTSD someone may have is determined by the traumatic event.

Being shot at, being bombed, seeing tortured/neglected children, dealing with drunks and druggies all day, walking up to a car never knowing what is inside, hearing a siren, smelling diesel fuel, hearing a helicopter.

Trauma comes in many forms with varying degrees of effects.

My explanation of PTSD is compared to cancer. It runs the spectrum. One can have skin cancer and get it burned off easy peezy. No more cancer.

Another can get diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. 3 weeks to a few years left if you're lucky..

And everything in between.

PTSD is anything but single plane one size fits all.