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She's not being treated to well by the antis. frown

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She's not being treated to well by the antis. frown

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You got that right and neither is her speech writer as proven by this rant by an avid Animal Liberation activist.

Steven Best slams Matthew Scully, supportive AR advocates (Rinf.com)‏
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RINF.COM, UK
The deconstruction of a Bush speech-writer
By Dr. Steve Best, Ph.D
Sunday, September 7th, 2008
http://rinf.com/alt-news/contributions/the-deconstruction-of-a-bush-speech-writer/4553/

In 2002, arch-conservative Matthew Scully wrote a book called,
Dominion: The Power of Man, The Suffering of Animals, and The Call to
Mercy, that was universally and uncritically acclaimed by the animal
advocacy movement. Because this movement is overwhelmingly
single-issue in its focus, and in most cases doesn't care about a
person's views or politics except how they relate to animals, no one
had a problem with the fact that Scully was a senior speechwriter for
President George W. Bush. He wrote some of the key fear-peddling
diatribes that got Bush elected and he was recently re-enlisted to
help Bush sell the Iraq war "surge" to the American people.

As someone who is concerned about a person's overall political
standpoint, and who would not embrace a Leftist who is a speciesist
anymore than an animal rights person or vegan who is a racist, I had
some serious problems with Scully and the fawning adulation of his
book by virtually the entire animal advocacy movement. Many people,
such as Karen Dawn (the founder of DawnWatch.com), saw it as a key
sign of progress that the conservatives were embracing the animal
cause (in welfarist form), and thus concluded that animal advocacy
could be introduced to an entire new audience of people–some very
rich, powerful, and influential ones at that.

No one mentioned that Scully had blood all over his hands by
sycophantically serving Bush-Cheney (providing the "eloquence" they
lacked) and the neo-con invasion and occupation of Iraq – all at the
cost of more than 100,000 innocent Iraqi lives, over 4,000 US troop
deaths, countless US troop casualties and destroyed lives, and over
three trillion dollars.[i] And all based on lies and blatant deceit by
Bush and his henchmen, all of whom – were there any justice in this
country or backbone in the Democrats – would have been impeached and
jailed for crimes of the highest order.

Nor could I understand the praise over Scully's book. Really, Dominion
is two books: the first sections are indeed well-crafted and
hard-hitting critiques of factory farming and hunting. But the bulk of
the book was just nauseating, amateurish, antiquated medieval/early
modern natural law theory which tried to justify the critique of
animal cruelty in cosmic laws, rational imperatives–as if the issue of
animal welfare or rights were not controversial and could not be seen
in endless ways by diverse groups of people. It had a very
uncomfortable authoritarian tone to it: here are the moral laws of the
universe; here is moral truth. And he urged the same naïve Socratic
belief that contaminates the thinking of the pacifists who dominate
the animal advocacy movement – the idea that if we can only reason
with people, show them this "Truth," they will no longer abuse
animals. As if there were no violence and cruelty in the human heart,
no desire to dominate the weak, no lust for profit off slavery of any
group.

And consider the subtitle: notice that he is calling for MERCY (to the
slaves) not LIBERATION (of the slaves). And we needed a burdensome
arsenal of arcane metaphysics, philosophical, and legal theory to
reach this conclusion? A few rights/abolitionist voices tried to
expose the severe limitations of this overwrought speciesist and
welfarist tome, but they were drowned out by the roar of the
multitudes celebrating the movement's "revolutionary" breakthrough
into new social sectors — so "new," in fact, that there were now more
white, elite, and "privileged" people in the animal advocacy/vegan
movements than before.

Not surprisingly, one of Scully's strongest supporters is Wayne
Pacelle, chief executive of the Humane Society of the United States
(HSUS), who told me himself in 2002 that he was "very close friends"
with Scully and thought his book was a "groundbreaking" contribution
to animal (welfare) ethics (whereas I read it as a dogmatic rehash of
stale concepts and moldy arguments, riddled with logical fallacies,
and polished up in the most dogmatic and inept way to simultaneously
protest cruelty and defend speciesism). And as Pacelle has long sought
to model the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) after the
DC-powerhouse National Rifle Association (NRA), perhaps Scully had
some connections among the power elite Pacelle could wine and dine.
Certainly he saw in Scully the Yellow Brick Road to Power and Money.

To whatever degree he cares about animals, Scully's real constituency
are rich, white, Republicans and — having written speeches for Bush in
the aftermath of 9/11 — he had already become a shining star in the
firmament of right-wing ideologues and corporate fat cats, each of
whom need the best PR and BS teams they could assemble. And thanks to
the fawning adulation of the likes of Karen Dawn, Scully overnight
became the new darling of the animal movement. When not making the
rounds of Congress or aerial warfare conventions, Scully continued to
write speeches for Bush and anyone on the Right with the right fee.
And, as it turned out, as so many of us were bracing ourselves for the
nauseating Republican National Convention in early September 08, not
wanting to hear another disingenuous word from "straight-talking"
McCain but curious to hear about unknown Alaskan female governor whom
he shrewdly chose to win Hillary's armies of disaffected, we learned —
at this crisis moment and critical juncture for the Far Right — that
Matthew Scully stepped in to write the kind of speech the McCain team
thought necessary to disguise their malignant and predatory policies
in terms of populism and family values. Right-wing soldier that he is,
Scully stayed up the entire night before the speech and gave the magic
words to which Sara Palin only had to give life in order to sell this
sordid spectacle and sham to the US public and bring us another 4 more
years of Bush—or probably much, much worse.

The moment was tense. The stakes were high. An unknown — a woman! —
was walking onto the stage to accept her party's nomination for Vice
President. But could she prove herself at the podium? Thanks to
Scully's adroit words and Palin's androgynous mix of feminine soft
talk and macho militarism, the chronically anxious Right erupted into
a roar of elation as they felt they had, with the addition of Palin,
finally found the ticket they wanted — one entirely devoted to
militarism and privatization, increasing their already obscene levels
of wealth and waging a full-blown culture war against abortion, sex
education in the schools, the ban on prayers in pubic places, and so
on.

Well, as the right-wing pundits droned on all next day, Palin/Scully
"blew it out of the water." Even Democratic Vice Presidential
candidate Joseph Biden said she was going to be "a tough debater" and
had "a very skillfully written …speech." And one awestruck fan gushed,
"Palin sounded at times like she was speaking a foreign language as
she gave voice to the beautifully crafted words that had been prepared
for her on Wednesday night."

Congratulations, Scully, you did it! You galvanized and unified the
most reactionary forces of the country that want to finish the job —
on the Constitution, liberties, privacy, human rights at home and
abroad, the United Nations, international justice, restrictions on
trade, unions, animal protections and the environment — that Bush
brought to such a high level in eight years. There is nothing innocent
about what Scully does: he is a hack, a propagandist, a demagogue, a
mouthpiece for nihilistic ideologies that are anything but "pro-life."
To the degree that Bush, Cheney, McCain, and Palin are truly menacing
forces — who threaten not only neighboring nation states but the
entire planet itself, Scully is their Paul Joseph Goebbels: a total
ideologue, a skilled orator (on paper), and a devotee to the party
line.

Whereas Obama is known to have fairly progressive views on animals,
Palin is an aggressive supporter of hunting and herself an avid
hunter. She goes so far as to champion aerial hunting of wolves and
threatened to sue the EPA if they listed the polar bear as an
endangered species.[ii] Beyond her regressive views on animals, she
has helped mobilize the base of the far Right in a way McCain could
not do himself because she is such an extreme conservative. According
to MoveOn.Org:

**Palin recently said that the war in Iraq is "God's task." She's even
admitted she hasn't thought about the war much—just last year she was
quoted saying, "I've been so focused on state government, I haven't
really focused much on the war in Iraq."

**Palin has actively sought the support of the fringe Alaska
Independence Party. Six months ago, Palin told members of the
group—who advocate for a vote on secession from the union—to "keep up
the good work" and "wished the party luck on what she called its
'inspiring convention.'"

**Palin wants to teach creationism in public schools. She hasn't made
clear whether she thinks evolution is a fact.

**Palin doesn't believe that humans contribute to global warming.
Speaking about climate change, she said, "I'm not one though who would
attribute it to being manmade."

**Palin has close ties to Big Oil. Her inauguration was even sponsored by BP.

**Palin is extremely anti-choice. She doesn't even support abortion in
the case of rape or incest.

**Palin opposes comprehensive sex-ed in public schools. She's said she
will only support abstinence-only approaches.

**As mayor, Palin tried to ban books from the library. Palin asked the
library how she might go about banning books because some had
inappropriate language in them—shocking the librarian, Mary Ellen
Baker. According to Time, "news reports from the time show that Palin
had threatened to fire Baker for not giving "full support" to the
mayor." [iii]

Unfortunately, thanks to Scully, Palin's "homespun" speech
(professionally crafted by a DC-insider), was a smash at the RNC, and
she "hit it out of the ballpark" as nearly every conservative pundit
said the following day. And so we have Scully — who wrote a book
critical of hunting – to thank not only for supporting a psychopath
whose lust for killing animals perhaps rivals that of Ted Nugent, but
for reinvigorating a fascist movement that has excellent chances at
winning the next election, and taking the US even deeper into the
innermost circles of [Please excuse my language... I'm an idiot], as somehow I suspect that McCain-Palin will
be even worse for the US, the world, animals, and the planet than
Bush-Cheney.

And yet, still we hear hardly a word from the animal community about
what a thug and criminal Scully is and what a traitor he is to the
animals, to fellow humans, and to the entire planet. The most pathetic
comment I have heard so far is from Karen Dawn, a well-known animal
activist and social butterfly who runs the newsletter, Dawnwatch,
which comments on media representations of animal issues. Given her
social and economic status – the fact that she lives in the affluent
area along the California coastline, that she is a regular in the LA
party and cocktail scene, that she loves to see and be seen with
celebrities – it is not surprising she takes an apolitical view of
animal issues, and in fact agrees with Wayne Pacelle that this
movement ought to strive to be a powerful single-issue, DC-based
powerhouse like the NRA.

Here is Dawn's self-serving, cowardly, and deplorable commentary the
day after Palin's speech:

"The news this week is the Republican Convention, and the animal news
is the choice of Sarah Palin as McCain's running mate. Before I write
any further on that issue, I need to stress that DawnWatch is entirely
non partisan. If you've read [her new MTV-style book] Thanking the
Monkey you know of my commitment to non-partisan animal activism. It
would be unfair to the animals for their advocates to alienate half of
the human population. And in Thanking the Monkey, I explain that the
somewhat common assumption [which I personally have argued for in
detail] that animal advocacy is a left wing issue is false.

Democrat voting records are better on animal issues overall, but the
exceptions are shining. Republicans John Ensign of Nevada, and
Christopher Shays of Connecticut are just two of those current
outstanding exceptions. And former Senator Robert Smith of New
Hampshire, an ultra right wing conservative, is the only person to
date to speak passionately against vivisection on the Senate Floor.

Perhaps most notably, one of the finest books ever written [!] on
animal protection is "Dominion: The Power of Man, The Suffering of
Animals, and The Call to Mercy." It is by Matthew Scully, who worked
as a senior speechwriter for George W Bush, penning the book on his
off hours. Scully sees his compassion, or mercy, for animals, and his
vegan lifestyle, as perfectly in line with his Catholic conservative
values …

In an extraordinary twist of fate, Scully was selected to write Sarah
Palin's speech, which aired last night. Let us hope that in the time
Scully and Palin spent together working on the speech, he began to
influence her thinking. I hope every Republican on this list will urge
her to read his book!"[iv]

"Let us hope that in the time Scully and Palin spent together working
on the speech, he began to influence her thinking." How naïve and deep
in denial can this woman be?! Does Dawn think that Scully and Sarah
had a reasonable and open chat about the evils of hunting?! That he
gently reminded her that animals are not meat machines to shoot down
in cold blood, just as he appreciatively received his lucrative
paycheck for selling out the planet by helping some of the most
dangerous forces in our history in their bid to win an election? I
suspect Scully talked far more with Palin about his fee than her
bloody proclivities to kill animals.



Dawn is indeed critical of Palin's zeal for hunting and her abysmal
environmental record, but she would rather be an enabler to this
carnage than offend her powerful, rich, and influential friends. I do
not exaggerate when I draw a line connecting McCain/Palin to Scully,
to Pacelle (an animal killer in his own right), and to opportunists
like Dawn.

In contrast to Dawn's vapid view that we can bring all people and
parties into the animal cause, another animal advocate (infinitely
more authentic and profound than Dawn), Norm Phelps, penned (in a
personal email to me) some extremely critical remarks on Scully and
the far Right:

"I think the fact that Matthew Scully wrote her convention speech
(which was a masterpiece of viciousness) should give us all pause
about the notion that conservatives will ever be serious animal
advocates. I used to think that AR [animal rights] was a non-political
issue and that we should keep it that way in the interests of
converting as many people as possible and having the greatest impact
on society. I no longer think that. I now believe that the mindset
that leads conservatives to pursue policies that are hostile to the
well-being of most of humanity (everyone except themselves and those
to whom they are close) almost invariably leads them to policies that
are hostile to the well-being of most animals (everyone except those
to whom they are personally close, such as their companion animals).

"There is nothing that I find more perplexing and discouraging than
the blatant speciesism that is rampant in most progressive circles.
But in spite of this, I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that
the liberal to progressive end of the political spectrum is where we
have to concentrate our efforts and where we will ultimately find our
victory. Conservatives can, in many cases, be persuaded to welfarism
(properly so called, not as redefined by the so-called
"abolitionists"), but not to AR. Scully's vehement denunciations of AR
in Dominion are, I think, an important indicator of this, as is the
fact that this man who wrote so eloquently of the suffering of animals
could put his gifts in the service of a woman who practices and
celebrates all manner of barbaric cruelty to animals. Scully obviously
considers the lives and suffering of animals less important than
politics as usual."

Phelps is right to argue that the Left is just as abysmal in its views
on animals, and yet draws this distinction:

"The speciesism of liberals/progressives contradicts their fundamental
values, which creates an opportunity for animal advocates. The
speciesism of conservatives reinforces their fundamental values, which
creates a solid wall. But I still think it is dangerous for the AR
movement, as a movement, to align with other social justice movements
until we have succeeded in raising their consciousness about animals
to the point that the alliance can be formed on a basis of at least
approximate equality. And I think a lot of groundwork needs to be done
before we reach that point. I guess where I'm headed is that we need
to be taking that groundwork seriously and getting busy at it—which,
of course, is what you've been doing for some time now."[v]

While I agree with Phelps that Leftists are Paleolithic in their views
on animals and we should not be too ready to tie ourselves to a human
rights/social justice platform as it is, and that we do need indeed to
educate the Left, I have also disagreed with him (in quite friendly
terms) that animal liberation is winnable without human and Earth
liberation and a progressive alliance politics that fights against the
main threat to the planet today, which is the capitalist grow-or-die
economy.[vi]

But while we examine the problems with both the Right and the Left,
let us not lose focus on the idiocy, cowardice, and opportunism in our
own movement, for there are far too many "animal advocates" who are in
fact advocates for something far less noble: money, power, glory,
fame, and self—advancement. If it was not obvious with the writing of
Dominion six years ago, Scully in particular has since revealed
himself to be a sham, fraud, charlatan, prevaricator, hypocrite, and
(neo-)con man, an enemy not only to animals, but also a de facto
opponent of women, science, secularism, freedom of speech, and the
environment.

Like the politicians he serves, Scully talks out of both sides of his
mouth at once and serves each and every contradictory cause that
advances his own good. No principled or consistent person writes a
book against hunting, and then writes a speech for a vicious defender
of hunting and avid killer herself. Can any animall advocate among us
ever imagine doing this?! This is the moral and logical contradiction
that would haunt a Kantian, someone with a conscience, anyone with
principles or moral consistency. But it never troubles a
utilitarian-opportunist.

And nor is his work done. The Far Right loved his Palin speech so much
that they will surely contract him again. Without hyperbole, I say
that Scully is less a "progressive vegan and animal welfarist" than he
is a reactionary and a dangerous man. He has been the words, phrases,
metaphors, rhetoric, narratives, jokes, and overall a key voice and
mouthpiece of the Extreme Right who want to take this country back to
pre-Enlightenment, pre-secular medieval serfdom where rights mean only
property rights, liberty falls to security and hierarchy, and
democracy is a forgotten dream.

To end by reiterating a crucial point: Mathew (Straight-Laced,
Compassionate Conservative, Corporate and Family Values Man,) Scully
is not just a hypocrite or opportunist. He is a menace to all life,
beings, species, and nature. This is not an ad hominem attack, it is
simply a fact. Look who he works for and examine what they do. Because
of the gigantic powers he brings to life, puffs up, drives forward,
and legitimates with the rhetoric of his folksy, small-town populism,
he represents gigantic global corporations that destroy families and
communities. Because Scully casts the spell and brings out the smoke
and mirrors that cover up lies and package a hideous program of
destruction as "progress," and because he gets the job done, time
after time, Scully is a significant danger — and I do not exaggerate —
to this entire planet.

Scully's real project is not "dominion." It is domination–corporate
hegemony of the planet and the advancement of the US Empire. To the
extent his discursive artistry helps to disarm Congress and to lull
Americans back into their complacent and jingoistic sleep, Scully
shares responsibility with Bush, Cheney, Ashcroft, Rumsfeld, Gonzalez,
Rice, Halliburton, ExxonMobil, Monsanto, and ConAgra for turning this
beautiful planet into a living [Please excuse my language... I'm an idiot] for most of its inhabitants and
for leaving behind a wasteland and battlefield that will prove even
more difficult (if not impossible) for future generations to survive,
as ever more species vanish forever.

Steven Best, Ph.D. is Associate Professor of Philosophy at the
University of Texas, El Paso. He has published numerous books and
articles on philosophy, cultural criticism, social theory and animal
rights. He has appeared on TV shows like Extra! and is frequently
interviewed by national print and radio media including the New York
Times and National Public Radio. Best is Cyrano's Journal Special
Editor for Animal Rights, Speciesisim and Human Tyranny over Nature..


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Go Sarah!


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When I first heard the term "species-ist" I thought it was a joke. frown

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Originally Posted By: Tsarevna
When I first heard the term "species-ist" I thought it was a joke. frown



No joke to them . They consider the rabbit equal to the human while ignoring that our ethics and morals put us in a different category then any other animal. They hate humans for being superior to the rest of the animals.


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That was a long article. I hope it isn't true that BP hosted Palins inauguration ceremony.


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Pat, as usual, you are right....

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could be, BP and COnoco drop HUGE money here, for parks, playgrounds, sporting events, charities, new wings at school, the college, the hospital etc..

They DROP HUGE BUCKS in PR...... and are a valued memeber of the community. so take it as a congratulations party I guess, not a here are some free hotdogs, now vote in our favor..


as far as favors for BP or the other oil companies, she raised their taxes, and took back the land they have had leased and not drilled or explored on..

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Anti's really WANT a socialist society if yout think about it...

Govt control and regulation over everything...

Big oil are crooks...

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That's either a Communist or Tolitarian soceity. Socialism is just the economy the government controls.


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What a long, boring bunch of rhetoric! Palin's approval rating with Alaskans is over 80% I've heard. She must be doing something right as far as they're concerned.


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What a long, boring bunch of rhetoric! Palin's approval rating with Alaskans is over 80% I've heard. She must be doing something right as far as they're concerned.




Yes it is a long boring article but it does give you insights into just how anti democracy these windbags are. They want to control every aspect of your life. It also reveals the amount of hatred such an author and his followers have for you and your freedoms.


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Palin is great for Sportsmen and Gun rights people...but the McCain campigns exaggerations and inaccurate selling points on palin have been a detriment. McCain should have had more control of the goofballs in his campaign, running the show. It's hurt him...

She's 100 Times better than that eel Biden though...

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The worm really does turn.

Good read Mira.

Go Sarah.

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This may effect our trapping in the future.





Subject: The Dems are going to fake an Illness for Biden and Replace w/Hillary


The Dems are going to fake an Illness for Biden and Replace w/Hillary
Let me share some info with you that i have gotten from excellent sources within the DNC:
On or about October 5th, Biden will excuse himself from the ticket, citing health problems,
and he will be replaced by Hillary. This is timed to occur after the VP debate on 10/2.
there have been talks all weekend about how to proceed with this info. generally, the feeling
is that we should all go ahead and get it out there to as many blog sites and personal email
lists as is possible. i have already seen a few short blurbs about this - the "health problem"
cited in those articles was aneurysm. probably many of you have heard the same rumblings.
however, at this point, with this inside info from the DNC, it looks like this obama strategy will be a go. therefore, it seems that the best strategy is to get out in front of this obama maneuver, spell it out in detail, and thereby expose it for the grand manipulation that it is.
So, let's start mixing this one up and cut the obamites off at the pass - send this info out to as many people as you can - post about it on websites and blogs - etc etc
I WAIT EVERY DAY TO HEAR THIS HAS HAPPENED WITH JOE BIDEN, ESPECIALLY SINCE I HEARD HIS SON WAS A LOBBIEST, AND GOT MONEY FROM Fannie & Freddieâ?¦ I just imagine he wants out baddddddddddddddddddddd





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This may effect our trapping in the future,if this is true.





Subject: The Dems are going to fake an Illness for Biden and Replace w/Hillary


The Dems are going to fake an Illness for Biden and Replace w/Hillary
Let me share some info with you that i have gotten from excellent sources within the DNC:
On or about October 5th, Biden will excuse himself from the ticket, citing health problems,
and he will be replaced by Hillary. This is timed to occur after the VP debate on 10/2.
there have been talks all weekend about how to proceed with this info. generally, the feeling
is that we should all go ahead and get it out there to as many blog sites and personal email
lists as is possible. i have already seen a few short blurbs about this - the "health problem"
cited in those articles was aneurysm. probably many of you have heard the same rumblings.
however, at this point, with this inside info from the DNC, it looks like this obama strategy will be a go. therefore, it seems that the best strategy is to get out in front of this obama maneuver, spell it out in detail, and thereby expose it for the grand manipulation that it is.
So, let's start mixing this one up and cut the obamites off at the pass - send this info out to as many people as you can - post about it on websites and blogs - etc etc
I WAIT EVERY DAY TO HEAR THIS HAS HAPPENED WITH JOE BIDEN, ESPECIALLY SINCE I HEARD HIS SON WAS A LOBBIEST, AND GOT MONEY FROM Fannie & Freddieâ?¦ I just imagine he wants out baddddddddddddddddddddd





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Re: palin-the-predator [Re: newears] #895696
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I'm sure they'd let that cat out of the bag...

*rolls eyes*

But, lets not forget about the Clinton Body Count...Hillary is still an option up till the election...

I hope not...but I wonder...

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Originally Posted By: Nightwish
I'm sure they'd let that cat out of the bag...

*rolls eyes*

But, lets not forget about the Clinton Body Count...Hillary is still an option up till the election...

I hope not...but I wonder...




Impossible scenario unless Biden were shot dead. A Democratic think tank, holding the most contemptuous outlook towards the voters would NOT pull such a scam because they know the voters would flock towards the Republicans if the sick candidate option were pulled. Some political risks are not worth the chance. Pulling Biden and replacing him with Clinton is not going to happen. If Obama did claim it is because Biden is sick, the voters would show their contempt for such trickery at the polls.

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Originally Posted By: Mira Trapper
Originally Posted By: Nightwish
I'm sure they'd let that cat out of the bag...

*rolls eyes*

But, lets not forget about the Clinton Body Count...Hillary is still an option up till the election...

I hope not...but I wonder...




Impossible scenario unless Biden were shot dead. A Democratic think tank, holding the most contemptuous outlook towards the voters would NOT pull such a scam because they know the voters would flock towards the Republicans if the sick candidate option were pulled. Some political risks are not worth the chance. Pulling Biden and replacing him with Clinton is not going to happen. If Obama did claim it is because Biden is sick, the voters would show their contempt for such trickery at the polls.


Ah...yes, so as i thought, the email/propaganda is bunk...

But, then again there IS Hillary....she does still have a chance....

Only if...

The plot thickens...

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Don't give them any ideas, a lot of people have left this world early under friendship with the Clintons.

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Biden has allready said that Hillary is actually more qualified than he is. Don't be surprised if he bows out for the "best interest" of the party.

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Biden has allready said that Hillary is actually more qualified than he is. Don't be surprised if he bows out for the "best interest" of the party.



Was that a political gaff or astute appeal to Clinton supporters to endear himself to those voters??


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Good question,Mira. I guess time will tell. With Osama falling in the polls, I believe he'll get rid of Biden. God help us gun owners if the south paws win this upcoming election!

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Looks like Biden made another honest quip and his handlers are on his case for it. He chastised the adds stating McCain hadn't evolved into the modern world and is unable to communicate via the net. Seems Biden was honest enough to note that McCain can not use the net because he lacks the finger dexterity required to use a keyboard because he was beat up so badly in the Hanoi Hilton. Do you think Obama has that sort of integrity? Guess not because they made Biden back track from the integrity he showed and never corrected the impression Obama wanted to create of McCain as a old buffoon.


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CHANGE CHICAGO STYLE

Body count. In the last six months 292 killed (murdered) in Chicago , 221 killed in Iraq .
The Leadership In Illinois:
Sens. Barack Obama & [Please excuse my language... I'm an idiot] Durbin,
Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr.,
Gov. Rod Blogojevich,
House leader Mike Madigan,
Atty. Gen. Lisa Madigan (daughter of Mike),
Mayor Richard M. Daley (son of former Mayor Richard J. Daley) .....all Democrats.

Chicago is a combat zone. Of course they're all blaming each other.

Can't blame Republicans, there aren't any!

State pension fund $44 Billion in debt, worst in country (worse then what San Diego is going through). Cook County ( Chicago ) sales tax 10.25% highest in country. (Look'em up if you want). Chicago school system one of the worst in country. This is the political culture that Obama comes from in Illinois .

And he's gonna 'fix' Washington politics?


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I read that story the other night and I could not believe what I was reading. How can anyone be so insecure in themselves to try to use that kind of pathetic writing and wording so as to try to make themselves sound somewhat intelligent???. I personally think they failed, it just means the old saying of if you can not dazzle them with brilliance, you can try and baffle them with B.S., because that is what that was.

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