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ADJUST - replacing springs musicwire vs stock #925169
10/10/08 12:51 PM
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I have an assortment of 1.5s and many need new springs I am debating whether I should go the music wire route or just use the stock style ones in original or one size up. I had several coon pullout when they didn't drown last year and in most cases it was an old trap and the springs weren't near as strong as they should be.

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Re: replacing springs musicwire vs stock [Re: mudtracker] #925177
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I prefer the 1 1/2 music wire springs in my 1 1/2 coils. They stay stronger longer.

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Re: replacing springs musicwire vs stock [Re: mudtracker] #925179
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Depends on the trap. Some traps can't handle bigger springs without reinforcement. Most of the ones I put music wire on were ok, though I had some older victors that bowed.

Re: replacing springs musicwire vs stock [Re: ] #925190
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Hey Liz, what method do you use to set your traps? Over your knee? I always set 1.5's with just my hands so the frame doesn't get the pressure to bend upwards in the center. You think that could be why yours bowed along with the thinner frame of course?

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Re: replacing springs musicwire vs stock [Re: ] #925193
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Lil Bit is correct. It depends on if your traps will take it. I baseplate all my 1.5s and always put #2 musics on them. These HOLD! Incidental otter in coon pocket sets....IMO well worth the time to basplate and change springs!


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Re: replacing springs musicwire vs stock [Re: TasteLikeChicken] #925373
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What size music wire springs for a Bridger 1.65?


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Re: replacing springs musicwire vs stock [Re: SouthWVtrapper] #925588
10/10/08 05:58 PM
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I'd pick the #2 musics if they are baseplated. If not...1.5 musics will be your best choice IMO.


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Re: replacing springs musicwire vs stock [Re: TasteLikeChicken] #925594
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Originally Posted By: TasteLikeChicken
I'd pick the #2 musics if they are baseplated. If not...1.5 musics will be your best choice IMO.


Ditto. Although, I prefer 1.5 music wires on 1.5's.


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Re: replacing springs musicwire vs stock [Re: j morris] #925673
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I like 1 1/2 music's on 1 1/2 also


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Re: replacing springs musicwire vs stock [Re: ] #925677
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Originally Posted By: ADC
Hey Liz, what method do you use to set your traps? Over your knee? I always set 1.5's with just my hands so the frame doesn't get the pressure to bend upwards in the center. You think that could be why yours bowed along with the thinner frame of course?

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I set them on my thigh, ADC.

Re: replacing springs musicwire vs stock [Re: ] #925805
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I put #2 music wire on all my #1 1/2's. Maybe a little strong at first, but they soon weaken some. I RARELY have a coon pull out.


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Re: replacing springs musicwire vs stock [Re: goldy] #925809
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Originally Posted By: goldy
I put #2 music wire on all my #1 1/2's. Maybe a little strong at first, but they soon weaken some. I RARELY have a coon pull out.


YUP you said it


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Re: replacing springs musicwire vs stock [Re: 1st RiverRat] #925812
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1.5 music wire on all 1.5 coils. Have 5+ yrs on some and still great...

Re: replacing springs musicwire vs stock [Re: ] #926325
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Originally Posted By: Lil' Bit
Originally Posted By: ADC
Hey Liz, what method do you use to set your traps? Over your knee? I always set 1.5's with just my hands so the frame doesn't get the pressure to bend upwards in the center. You think that could be why yours bowed along with the thinner frame of course?

~ADC~


I set them on my thigh, ADC.


You think that has anything do with the bending? Here's the way I do it, even the duke #11's with the extra strong springs and weak frames don't bend this way. It's not for everyone though, I'm sure....

Setting 1 1/2 coils....



Setting #11 DLS....



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Re: replacing springs musicwire vs stock [Re: ] #926752
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1: I'm pudgy, so I don't know what on earth would be pushing hard enough on the trap to make it want to bow.

2: I think that if a trap is properly reinforced, or properly constructed int hef irst place, it shouldn't bow. Thin frames with stronger-than-intended springs will bow as soona s you put the springs on it, or relatively soon after few settings.

imho.

Re: replacing springs musicwire vs stock [Re: ] #926757
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Oh, and I can't do that, ADC. My hands aren't big enough. When I try your way, that fatty section at the base of my thumb isn't even up the arch at all. *pout*

Re: replacing springs musicwire vs stock [Re: ] #926767
10/11/08 03:35 PM
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lil hans not lil bit eh?


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Re: replacing springs musicwire vs stock [Re: mudtracker] #926785
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*sniffles and looks at her hands* They're not little... They're just not big. :P they're perfect for my arms.

Re: replacing springs musicwire vs stock [Re: ] #926789
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look pretty small from here, hey I saw that you better wave with all those lil fingers next time ;P


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Re: replacing springs musicwire vs stock [Re: mudtracker] #926790
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*whistles...* wha? Huh? Dunno what you're talking about... :p

Re: replacing springs musicwire vs stock [Re: ] #926808
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Originally Posted By: Lil' Bit
1: I'm pudgy, so I don't know what on earth would be pushing hard enough on the trap to make it want to bow.

2: I think that if a trap is properly reinforced, or properly constructed int hef irst place, it shouldn't bow. Thin frames with stronger-than-intended springs will bow as soona s you put the springs on it, or relatively soon after few settings.

imho.


Its just got to do with where the pressure is on the traps base. The way I do it the pressure is on the ends of the base, breaking them over your thigh (like my trapping partner does) puts the pressure on the center of the base.

I agree though they should be reinforced so no matter how you or anyone sets them they won't bend. wink

Thanks for the replies!!!

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Re: replacing springs musicwire vs stock [Re: ] #926838
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On my 1.5dcs, I replace with # 2 music wire.
On dcs, 4 coiled I usually go a different direction.
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Re: replacing springs musicwire vs stock [Re: 45/70] #926852
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For those saying you put 1.5 music wire on 1.5 coils, you talking 2 or 4 coil?


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Re: replacing springs musicwire vs stock [Re: 1st RiverRat] #926877
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Originally Posted By: 1st RiverRat
Originally Posted By: goldy
I put #2 music wire on all my #1 1/2's. Maybe a little strong at first, but they soon weaken some. I RARELY have a coon pull out.


YUP you said it


Me too.


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Re: replacing springs musicwire vs stock [Re: bearclaw] #926915
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Originally Posted By: bearclaw
For those saying you put 1.5 music wire on 1.5 coils, you talking 2 or 4 coil?


just like lil' bit... 2 coils.

Re: replacing springs musicwire vs stock [Re: ] #926923
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Hey, I covered that in my post above.
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