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5 to 10 million AR-15's in the U.S. #6159826
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After this latest school shooting television and social media is full of people demanding that "assault rifles" be banned...

This CNBC link is from the days following the Orlando nightclub shooting. The author of the story states that there are an estimated 5 to 10 million AR-15's in the U.S.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.co...o-massacre.html

If the federal government decides to enact a ban just how do they expect to get all of them out of the hands of citizens?

I know there are some on here who share the "ban" sentiment... What is the answer?

Mike

Last edited by Mike in A-town; 02/16/18 06:02 PM. Reason: Forgot to add the link, duh.

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Re: 5 to 10 million AR-15's in the U.S. [Re: Mike in A-town] #6159833
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Re: 5 to 10 million AR-15's in the U.S. [Re: Mike in A-town] #6159835
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Time to buy some 80% receivers~


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Re: 5 to 10 million AR-15's in the U.S. [Re: Mike in A-town] #6159836
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They can't there grandfather in just no new sales

Re: 5 to 10 million AR-15's in the U.S. [Re: Mike in A-town] #6159837
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They are junk....Buy an AK47


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Re: 5 to 10 million AR-15's in the U.S. [Re: Mike in A-town] #6159840
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Do you think they would stop with just ar's your ak is on that list as well.

Re: 5 to 10 million AR-15's in the U.S. [Re: Teallbrook] #6159841
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Originally Posted By: Teallbrook
They are junk....Buy an AK47


Yes, because trading AK's for AR's will stop nuts from shooting up a school.

You've made several posts disparaging AR owners... Back it up with some facts and solutions.

Mike


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Re: 5 to 10 million AR-15's in the U.S. [Re: frank1969] #6159842
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Originally Posted By: frank1969
They can't there grandfather in just no new sales


So there will still be 5 to 10 million of them floating around out there. How does that stop mass shootings?

Mike


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Vladimir Lenin
Re: 5 to 10 million AR-15's in the U.S. [Re: Mike in A-town] #6159846
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They would make it a felony to own them and you'd be forced to turn them in or suffer legal penalties.

Re: 5 to 10 million AR-15's in the U.S. [Re: Mike in A-town] #6159847
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that number is way low

Harvard did a study on gun ownership and decided without asking what or exactly how many people owned could they categorize gun owners I don't recall all the categories I know there were 1-2 gun owners then some group or groups in between then the "super users"

super users have 17+ guns yeah not really that many but they estimated 7 million super users , so the interesting part , super users are also by far the least likely to commit a crime or for that matter Suicide the 1-2 gun owners are at a much much higher risk for suicide than those with many more guns.

I can hardly imagine a super user not having an AR sure there are probably a small percentage that don't but I venture their fellow supper users have them covered with 2 or 3+

I would have to think there are nearly a million ARs just in Wisconsin and WIS represents just 1.7% of the US population so maybe there are not 98 million ARs in the country but 44 million wouldn't be a very hard number to sell me


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Re: 5 to 10 million AR-15's in the U.S. [Re: ~ADC~] #6159852
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Originally Posted By: ~ADC~
They would make it a felony to own them and you'd be forced to turn them in or suffer legal penalties.


OK, I'll bite. That will get guys like you and me to turn ours in... Honest, law abiding people who wouldn't shoot up a school. We have a lot to lose with consequences like that.

What about the gang members, drug dealers, terror cell members who don't care about the law? And 99% of these wackos who shoot up a school kill themselves after they're done... So what will that law do to stop them.

Mike


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Originally Posted By: GREENCOUNTYPETE
that number is way low

Harvard did a study on gun ownership and decided without asking what or exactly how many people owned could they categorize gun owners I don't recall all the categories I know there were 1-2 gun owners then some group or groups in between then the "super users"

super users have 17+ guns yeah not really that many but they estimated 7 million super users , so the interesting part , super users are also by far the least likely to commit a crime or for that matter Suicide the 1-2 gun owners are at a much much higher risk for suicide than those with many more guns.

I can hardly imagine a super user not having an AR sure there are probably a small percentage that don't but I venture their fellow supper users have them covered with 2 or 3+

I would have to think there are nearly a million ARs just in Wisconsin and WIS represents just 1.7% of the US population so maybe there are not 98 million ARs in the country but 44 million wouldn't be a very hard number to sell me


I agree Pete. I just used that link to show that there are millions of these guns out there.

Mike


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I take that back there could be 100 million that would only be 5 million a year for that last 20 years and they have been made for more than 50 in 1993 they were making receivers as fast as they could , before the ban things I am sure slowed from 1994 to 2004 , but heck I think 5 million is a good number for how many Barack sold before his inauguration day and 20 millions over the next 8 years , Hillary probably sold another 10 million


I would venture if you added up just the 80% lowers you might hit 5 million


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Originally Posted By: Mike in A-town
Originally Posted By: ~ADC~
They would make it a felony to own them and you'd be forced to turn them in or suffer legal penalties.


OK, I'll bite. That will get guys like you and me to turn ours in... Honest, law abiding people who wouldn't shoot up a school. We have a lot to lose with consequences like that.

What about the gang members, drug dealers, terror cell members who don't care about the law? And 99% of these wackos who shoot up a school kill themselves after they're done... So what will that law do to stop them.

Mike
They cant get anyone to turn in Illegal immegrants, let alone a gun.

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100 million ar-15's is very possible.

300-750 million 30 round magazines for them is also very possible....I have heard about folks who have more than 50 mags and more than a dozen ar-15's.


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Originally Posted By: Marty
100 million ar-15's is very possible.

300-750 million 30 round magazines for them is also very possible....I have heard about folks who have more than 50 mags and more than a dozen ar-15's.



So what would be a realistic, practical, and constitutional solution to get them all?

Mike


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Anybody who knows me already knows where I stand on this...

But I want to hear the answers from the "pro ban" crowd.

Mike


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Originally Posted By: Mike in A-town
Originally Posted By: Marty
100 million ar-15's is very possible.

300-750 million 30 round magazines for them is also very possible....I have heard about folks who have more than 50 mags and more than a dozen ar-15's.



So what would be a realistic, practical, and constitutional solution to get them all?

Mike


There is no such thing.


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I bet there are a lot more than 10 million. I'm not sure why everyone is obsessed with banning things. Where is the outrage over rental trucks like the one used on Halloween in New York last fall? School security needs to be taken more seriously. There are way too many entry points that are unsecured at every school I've been to. Have one entry point and it is a lot easier to keep track of and monitor. I don't care if it is inconvenient for someone. There are ways that we can make our schools safe but banning ar15s or any other guns is just a distraction attached to an agenda that has nothing to do with school safety.

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Originally Posted By: Mike in A-town
Originally Posted By: Teallbrook
They are junk....Buy an AK47


Yes, because trading AK's for AR's will stop nuts from shooting up a school.

You've made several posts disparaging AR owners... Back it up with some facts and solutions.

Mike


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