Peak oil ?
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04/16/18 11:45 PM
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Pretty quiet about this theory now .Anybody on here with some objective opinions on the future of energy consumption as we know it today in AMERICA.
You can ride a fast horse slow but you can't ride a slow horse fast .
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Re: Peak oil ?
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04/17/18 12:42 AM
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Global economic collapse before it is used up.....
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Re: Peak oil ?
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04/17/18 08:41 AM
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Oil rules and controls the world. Peak has come and done many times in the US alone. They can and do control the price when ever they want to.
Now it was news that oil prices will go back up because they are shutting down refinery's again for maintenance. I understand needed to shut them down but on the other hand it is an act of congress to build a refinery these days. If they had more it would be harder to control price. What oil company's want they get and believe me that is true.
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Re: Peak oil ?
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04/17/18 09:46 AM
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The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones, something better will come along, The big question is what that something better will be.....its become pretty obvious that it wont be solar or wind, so they have to go back to the drawing board. I was looking at getting some solar fridges, and freezers for our summer operation, but after running the numbers it just doesn't make sense. Propane beats it by a mile cost wise. Actually so does plain old electricity produced by diesel generators.
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Re: Peak oil ?
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It won't pencil out till you factor in the amount of money spent to produce the oil. Not just what it costs you when you buy gallon. But the tax dollars spent on propping up big oil to make everything else look more expensive. Solar and wind are not the same price per energy unit produced today, but are dropping by the day. In time something else will come along, if we knew what I was we'd be using it today. Look back 10years ago at what solar cost compare to today. I have a neighbor who has solar for 2 years now. With todays production and electric price they are looking at a 7-9 year payback. They a 25 year warrantee on the system. 10 years ago a similar unit had a 30-35 year payback. Isn't solar and wind highly subsidized / mandated?
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Re: Peak oil ?
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Geothermal will be the energy source of the future. I'm in the drilling industry. Many many guys lost lots and lots of money when they thought they were going to be geothermal drillers . Geothermal is dead and has been for years . Very costly for a single consumer.
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Re: Peak oil ?
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04/17/18 04:07 PM
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It won't pencil out till you factor in the amount of money spent to produce the oil. Not just what it costs you when you buy gallon. But the tax dollars spent on propping up big oil to make everything else look more expensive. Solar and wind are not the same price per energy unit produced today, but are dropping by the day. In time something else will come along, if we knew what I was we'd be using it today. Look back 10years ago at what solar cost compare to today. I have a neighbor who has solar for 2 years now. With todays production and electric price they are looking at a 7-9 year payback. They a 25 year warrantee on the system. 10 years ago a similar unit had a 30-35 year payback. No way they got a 25 year warranty on the batteries. Thats where the problem is...storing the power. Here in the north it will never work big scale, there just isn't enough sun, especially in winter. I've got a small system at my trapline. Total cost for the entire system was just over 2k....and in the winter I cant even run a few led lights and a radio without using the generator every few days to charge the batteries up again.
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Re: Peak oil ?
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04/17/18 09:34 PM
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I hear the Krauts have solar everywhere (medians in the auto bans etc.) They are dependant on Putin for natural gas .The Europeans I am sure look on the oil issue in a different light than we do. I would not bank on things remaining as they are now for a long time .As the barrel contents get lower it harder to suck it out ,as of yet we have not conquered gravity . We are accustomed to plenty of everything and I am not sure it has been good for our culture. End of sermon.
You can ride a fast horse slow but you can't ride a slow horse fast .
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