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Tonquin musk pods #6117602
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Would anyone that knows be kind enough to share with me how to tincture genuine pods

Thanks in advance


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Re: Tonquin musk pods [Re: Eric Yeatman] #6121210
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I wish someone would answer this


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Re: Tonquin musk pods [Re: Eric Yeatman] #6121455
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In talking with perfumers and lure makers, all recommended using high grade alcohol like everclear.

Re: Tonquin musk pods [Re: Eric Yeatman] #6121675
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No, Not A Book here, but some History first,would be in Order though,,,

Before I state My answer here, and a bit of history, (Knowing Good And Well) here that "ALL" Older Lure Makers that were Lure Makers 30 to 50+ years ago "Do Know"! the strength of *Musk Tonquin, Authentic Materials was like then, POD Tonquin, was like , a fabulous Formula, of Siberian Deer Musk Type I. That HAD TO GO, bye, bye in late 1990's, the best Grade of it developed in the 1950's , 1960's, 1970's early 1980's that contained in Early years about 20% *Musk Deer Pod grains, then as time went by it had to be reduced in %, that definately reduced it's powers. Drop a 1oz. bottle of it on a City, you would smell it on the outbounds of that City!
Available today as SDM Type II.


of what I will give a try here to answer your ??,,, bare with me, for a bit of history first!

There ARE many recipes for *Musk Pod, Tincture,(gallon size) etc. etc. etc. you have to remember there ARE several *Musk Deer species (7), ALL endangered now, I believe, but only (1) of them being the top grade *Musk Pod highly sought after, by high class perfumers in France and EVERYWHERE!


The region of Old (Tonquin) China, on the ancient map of China, were the finest grade of Musk Pods, at The Temple (Buddist Temple Dalai Lama) area of Tibet, over there for centuries, Was! Still is, a Highly Scared Material! And powerful in it's raw state. It is usually dried to contain it's powers. Even then, it IS quite strong!

Just (1) One Grade #1 *Musk Pod, filling many cubic feet of air around it when fresh, but when dried, it's reduced, (but contained), somewhat, until wet again, then it increases it's powers! sustantially!

Being a material that no ship would carry with other cargo for fear that the highly Aromatic *Musk Pods would contaminate the entire ships cargo (even when dried, they had to arrange for private ships to make there voyage with kilos of these highly sought after *Musk Deer Pods.
The lowest use grade coming from Carbadine *Musk Pods, *Musk Deer, Russia, and others.

Most ALL Top Grade #1, #2, #3. etc. *Musk Pods can be Tinctured nicely into, over time into *Perfumers Alcohol (200 hundred proof) with an element of fixatives contained, Real Ambre , being just (1), Or just Good Old 190!

No *Perfumer or ANYONE will give out there *Formula though for there *Musk Pod, Tincture, which can be excepted as logical. It's like Coke a Cola IS NOT going to give ANYONE there Formula, to make, Coke a Cola!

IF one can even obtain Legally! Top Grade *Musk Deer Pod, (Pods), Today, Without going to JAIL! DO NOT PASS GO, AND DO NOT COLLECT 200$! THEY ARE ILLEGAL TO OBTAIN) CITES 1979, UNLESS *GRANDFATHERED LONG AGO! by a Craftsman.

If Lure Makers would do a bit of study, they will learn that most ALL Top Grade *Musk Pods that came to Mr. Walter Arnold, Eq.(Original Lure Ingredient Master Supplier) in U.S.A., in Maine long ago, came by way of France, after The *Perfumers had there way about the *Musk Pods use first.

Although not the subject here, Same IS True about *Real Canton *Musk, from Ancient China, the territory of Canton, Ancient (China) map, came it's *Musk, from a certain *Musk Deer there in it's ancient territory.

So , LOL, The Answer IS here, BION! To some extent.
Eric, Really, I would give a bit of thought Before Tincturing a Good *Musk Pod! that you may know of. Really! smile


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Re: Tonquin musk pods [Re: Eric Yeatman] #6121695
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Good background info summary given.

With the going cost of authentic musk pods I would certainly be extremely careful as to how you handle and process it or them. They are available. For a consumer to even dabble with them unless they are "well to do in a sense or a seasoned formulator" you could end up ruining a batch or two.

As stated I don't know of any professional that would state their process on an open forum such as this. This process does require some proprietary skills and knowledge of handling, if not, it could be a costly work in progress until you get it right. But that is how some learn if not mentored in some manner.

Re: Tonquin musk pods [Re: Eric Yeatman] #6121733
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Asa or Papa Bear, would you help us please? There is lot's of trappers, who could care less about selling lure, but just enjoy doing it for themselves or friends. Only a fool, learns only from experience since there is not enough time in a lifetime. I would bet some of the "seasoned formulators" had some of the same type of help.

Re: Tonquin musk pods [Re: Eric Yeatman] #6121824
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I have a brother that's 87 years+ he helps quite abit!


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Re: Tonquin musk pods [Re: jtg] #6121838
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Originally Posted By: jtg
Asa or Papa Bear, would you help us please?


Papabear has not been here since Nov.......but Bob is correct........but investing in lure making books would be wise.


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Re: Tonquin musk pods [Re: Eric Yeatman] #6122451
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I found this link it may or may not be useful. http://www.basenotes.net/threads/414563-Musk-Deer-Pod

Re: Tonquin musk pods [Re: Eric Yeatman] #6123179
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Lureintheanimal isnt gonna help much.


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Re: Tonquin musk pods [Re: Eric Yeatman] #6123274
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Swampwolf,,, Appears you do not have the answer! took you 5 days to wake up ^^^! A wolf in Georgia! grin

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Re: Tonquin musk pods [Re: danny clifton] #6123277
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Originally Posted By: danny clifton
I wish someone would answer this


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Re: Tonquin musk pods [Re: Eric Yeatman] #6123357
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With 100's of 1000's of animals caught without it,more nostalgia than anything.

Re: Tonquin musk pods [Re: Eric Yeatman] #6123426
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A+. Francis.
Re: Tonquin musk pods [Re: Eric Yeatman] #6125032
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Thank you for that, Francis.

Re: Tonquin musk pods [Re: Eric Yeatman] #6125378
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Thanks. Lureintheanimal and jtg I had seen that on basenotes I was hoping when I posted this someone would have had an old formula that was from long ago that wouldn't have used I do appreciate all the help. I don't know what Francis 31220 said


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Re: Tonquin musk pods [Re: Eric Yeatman] #6125389
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Francis is that 1.5 grams or 15 grams. And that is 85 percent alcohol?


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Re: Tonquin musk pods [Re: Eric Yeatman] #6125390
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I didn't actually see that bottom banner at first


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Re: Tonquin musk pods [Re: lureintheanimal] #6125462
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Originally Posted By: lureintheanimal
Swampwolf,,, Appears you do not have the answer! took you 5 days to wake up ^^^! A wolf in Georgia! grin


I dont have the answer and you sure dont give any answers. You seem to be knowledgeable, but nearly all your posts just ramble on mostly about how you are one up on everyone else about lure making knowledge....


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Re: Tonquin musk pods [Re: Eric Yeatman] #6125539
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Originally Posted By: Eric Yeatman
I don't know what Francis 31220 said


just Google the translation


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